Prolife Or Prochoice

[SkylarV217]

Just to clarify , I wasn't approaching in an accusatory attitude, I just didn't understand ... and needed more of a clarification =)

I know that if abortions are illegal , people will go back to using shady doctors and coat hangers.... very unsafe methods ..... But I'm not sure how i feel about illegal or legal

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by SkylarV217 what are your reasons for this ?

I think abortion should remain legal so that girls who find themselves pregnant via rape or molestation (particularly by a relative) can seek one and not have to deal with the horrendous consequences of a violent action that was forced upon them. I support legal abortion solely for those women. And by that, I don't mean that ONLY those women should be able to have abortions, but the only real reason I don't believe in outlawing abortion is those women.

I also believes that life begins at implantation and would not choose to have an abortion regardless of circumstance.

I don't think those are mutually exclusive viewpoints.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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I know that when you have unprotected sex and get pregnant you made a choice. making that choice with the knowledge of what can come from you actions makes you responsible for the consequences. To be honest a good percentage of us are extremely lucky our mother wasn't prochoice.

I actually don't care. I like my life, but it is my reality that I probably could've been aborted. I was put up for adoption; I'm going to guess abortion must have crossed my birth mother's mind. I'm adamantly pro-choice. I don't believe that I should make that choice for others; I don't know what situation they're in. The abortion may save their lives. Perhaps they realize they themselves cannot care for the child as well as they could and know that the kid may not ever get adopted. Perhaps they don't use birth control and get pregnant. I don't believe forcing a woman to have a child does the world any good.

As much as I hate to say it, if a woman, with the knowledge of what an abortion does to herself, chooses to use abortions as her birth control, it's unfortunately her right. I would find her stupid and sad, but I do think it's her choice. I think having abortion shouldn't be taken lightly, though.

The idea that there are not enough children put up for adoption is grossly inaccurate. Children are orphanages all over the world.

 

[Dahlia_Rayn]

Abortion is not something I would consider for myself...to me life begins far earlier then a lot of people think. However, I believe abortions should be legal, many women lost their lives when abortion was illegal to back alley "doctors" and I'd hate for us to return to that primitive place. I do find the practice of using abortion as birth control reprehensible, I don't feel abortion clinics should have revolving doors. Despite that, I feel abortion is medically/personally relevant for some, and by limiting it we are harming many. Despite how I feel about abortion personally, it is not my responsibility or my right to determine what is appropriate for your body, and my beliefs should not outweigh what someone else believes.

 

[blazeno.8]

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Originally Posted by melliquor I think that it is a selfish person that would have an abortion to save money or not go through the headache or an uncomfortable life. There are so many people looking to adopt a child, including me, and there isn't enough children out there. My opinion, is that you should only have an abortion if you are raped... there is no other reason to do it besides that.

While it's true that there are some people who are selfish with those motives, I think that there is also something else at play. I don't know what the adoption process here is like in the UK, but in the US, I've seen foster care involved in most adoptions. Most of the families I have met that have gone through foster care usually didn't come out unscathed.

 

[Ithica]

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Originally Posted by MissChievous I'm definitely pro-choice, but also pro-birth control!

Thats exactlly how I feel!
Im all prochoice but I think some people don't bother to even use condoms or birthcontrol, hell you see it all the time on tv! And i personally believe if your not mature enough to deal with these things then you shouldnt be playing grown up games in the first place

I don't get how some people i've spoken to say a raped woman should HAVE to have the child. Its just awful.

 

[Brittni]

I think that maybe if people were better educated and had more good moral qualities in themselves (so that they were more compassionate, realistic, and made smart choices - ie: birth control, abstinence if nessasary, etc) then the debate wouldn't be so bad. I am pro-choice, but only for special circumstances like rape, mental disabilities, etc. I think that unfortunately too many people are selfish enough to have sex and then not suffer the consequences of doing so. Yes, to me that is considered selfish. They want the pleasure but not the "pain (in the ass)". So I just evaluate it as the fact that society as a whole really are not the best that we can be because of lack of morals instilled in people, etc. I think that we should stay pro-choice but really work on educating and directing people's feelings and logic in maturing and whatnot. It's not even so much about sex education in my mind but it's more about each individual person and how they were raised or obviously not raised with the right mindset when it comes to dealing with sex and the after effects.

 

[KikiB]

Yeah I've known some people who have gone through the foster care system and to say they came out unscathed would be a huge lie.

Personally, I am pro-choice as well as very, VERY pro sex-ed. I think that the current administration's policies on abstinence only are not only a waste of federal dollars, but it's like banning fire extinguishers so that people won't set fires. If you tell kids to not have sex before they are married, at least 5 of 10 will still anyways-during their high school years! If you just teach that method, they are going to be in the dark on what it takes to protect themselves. We all know where that leads...but if you teach people how to protect themselves, then they will know how to have safer sex, and not as many people would need to get abortions.

Not to mention that I am the ruler of my body, so don't you DARE tell me what I can and cannot do. One of my ex-friends was like "Well but you can drop a baby off at a police station or get it adopted" but there are already enough babies, kids, and teens who need loving homes, both here in the States and all over the world.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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I am pro-choice, but only for special circumstances like rape, mental disabilities, etc.

The mental disabilities thing opens up a huge can of worms. What constitutes a mental disability worthwhile of an abortion? A lot of people believe that mentally retarded people live very fulfilling lives (from what I've seen, they do) while other may think that they should have been aborted.

 

[Karen_B]

First of all, I agree with MissChiveous that sex education, good and available contraceptives etc is of outmost importance.
I am pro-choice. I believe it is a woman's right to decide how many children she shall have, how far apart they should come, etc etc. I am also pro-choice for pragmatic reasons - women WILL have abortions, legal or not, and it is safer to give the option of legal abortions. In addition, I think a woman who has an abortion absolutely is dealing with the consequences of her decisions. Why is abortion considered the easy way out? Why is only giving birth counted as dealing with the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy?

 

[SkylarV217]

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Originally Posted by Karen_B In addition, I think a woman who has an abortion absolutely is dealing with the consequences of her decisions. Why is abortion considered the easy way out? Why is only giving birth counted as dealing with the consequences of an unwanted pregnancy?

Having an abortion is eliminating the consequence. Not dealing with it.

An abortion is normally considered the easy way out b/c it is an escape hatch . A lot of women have abortions for fear of what family or parents even spouses will think. It's a short term option ( even though it has long term affects) . I'm not saying an abortion is easy or pain free but it's nothing like raising a child and sacrificing for that child daily, Everyday for the rest of your life.

 

[HeavenLeiBlu]

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Originally Posted by MissChievous I'm definitely pro-choice, but also pro-birth control! If you don't want to get pregnant, use protection. (Unless you are raped, of course.) Abortions shouldn't be taken lightly and not used as a method of birth control. But, I know that accidents happen so I think a woman has the right to get one if she wants to. I have never had to have an abortion and am glad of that, I am sure it is far less than a pleasant experience. So please, always use a condom!!

That about sums it up for me!

 

[HeavenLeiBlu]

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Originally Posted by SkylarV217 I'm not saying an abortion is easy or pain free but it's nothing like raising a child and sacrificing for that child daily, Everyday for the rest of your life.

So what about women who absolotely do NOT WANT children and even though they've taken all reasonable measures to prevent a pregancy?

Or what about someone like me (although I already have a child) whose health (as well as the fetus) would be in terminal danger, by going through with a pregnancy?

To be clear, I'm absolutely against abortion as a birth control method, but I see no reason why a woman should not be able to get one.
For the majority of women who have been in the position of deciding what to do about an unexexpected/unwanted pregancy, the decision to abort is not one taken lightly.

Sure, there's always the clearly more desireable option of adoption. but that's not always an option for everyone.


I'm sure everyone who's brave enough to speak their piece on this topic has pretty much agreed to disagree with the opposing opionons expressed here and IRL, but I just want people to not see the issue in such a cut and dry manner, and have some understanding, that's all.

 

[HeavenLeiBlu]

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Originally Posted by SkylarV217 I think that the plan B pill should be included in all rape kits ( even though it's not) Then the rape victim would never have the chance to conceive and wouldn't have to go through any more trauma. I don't know why thy have removed that as procedure most places. I think a lot of the victims are thinking that is standard and then are shocked if they turn up pregnant

I agree, although that isn't always fool proof, and it may not be suitable for that woman to take ( health/history interactions, wise).

 

[kimmy]

my body, my choice, my business.
your body, your choice, your business.

 

[HeavenLeiBlu]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark The mental disabilities thing opens up a huge can of worms. What constitutes a mental disability worthwhile of an abortion? A lot of people believe that mentally retarded people live very fulfilling lives (from what I've seen, they do) while other may think that they should have been aborted.

I think she may have meant mental disabilities on the part of the woman impregnated. I can remember a case a few years ago, where a developmentally delayed woman kept getting pregnant, but she was absolutely not capable of caring for the children herself. She lived on her own, and was able to do okay on a day to day basis, but in a limited manner. I think luckily, members of her family took in the children, but they were unable by law, to get her sterilized, because she wouldn't consent to it herself, and she wasn't considered to be disabled enough so that a responsible relative could take over as her medical power of attourney.


(For me, the real issue is that her family should have put effort into either getting her on a form of BC that was suitable for her, or more importantly, keeping those terrible men from taking advantage of her)


But, my apologies if this is not what the OP meant.

 

[Simply Elegant]

If you don't think you can care for the baby, but do so "to pay the consequences", then I think your baby is suffering a whole lot more with these consequences than the mother is. A baby can sense an unfeeling mother and will resent her when she's older which may or may not lead to more problems later on. I don't think it's fair. I'm prochoice in all situations, especially rape, incest etc but don't think abortion is necessarily the easy way out and don't think it should be used as a last minute form of birth control.

 

[Brittni]

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Originally Posted by Simply Elegant If you don't think you can care for the baby, but do so "to pay the consequences", then I think your baby is suffering a whole lot more with these consequences than the mother is. A baby can sense an unfeeling mother and will resent her when she's older which may or may not lead to more problems later on. I don't think it's fair. I'm prochoice in all situations, especially rape, incest etc but don't think abortion is necessarily the easy way out and don't think it should be used as a last minute form of birth control.

The baby might suffer some emotional damage, yes, and of course that is horrible...but isn't there counseling, therapy, etc? I would rather be alive and have some issues to work out rather than dead. But again, I think it goes back to people not being raised correctly with the right morals, knowledge, and realism; what I mean by this is that if people were raised correctly then they wouldn't be selfish and stupid enough to have unprotected sex and use abortions as a birth control mechanism.

 

[Simply Elegant]

Yes, there are these options, but if the baby had a choice, who knows if he or she would have wanted to have been born. You're talking about what ifs. maybe some parents are too uncaring to care for the child properly or maybe they don't have the right resources or want to have the drive to be able to get the right resources to care for their baby. Some people just don't care and would rather abandon their baby and that's not okay.

 

[zabbazooey]

I am 100% Pro Life. I don't think it's ok in ANY situation. It's a human life, you have no right to say whether it lives or dies.