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GreekChick
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I think the whole problem here is that Paris, Britney, Lindsay, Nicole and the rest of the crew, are promoting an image that is simply degrading to women. Young girls are becoming stupider with each generation. Alot of the times, they speak in such poor vocabulary. Yeah for sure we'll blame the parents, but who else promotes that? The girls stated above.
When the word "like" is used 30 times in one sentence ( "And like he asked me to go out for coffe but i was like nuhuh i'm really not interested, he called me like 30 times like...")....it's a problem.
When stores for little girls (La Senza Girls for example) are selling thongs for anyone under 15,....There is a problem. For God's sake, little girl, you're 12, you should be wearing granny style panties!!! Oh, and are those fake nails with a french manicured tip? Oh and what? You did WHAT to that guy???
When girls as young as 9 years old are walking down the street at night with HIGHLIGHTS and LOWLIGHTS in their hair, there is a problem. Mind you this is before their get their period.I wasn't allowed to dye my hair until I hit 16!!!
When young girls can spell V-U-I-T-T-O-N better than any other word in the dictionnary, oh yeah there is a problem.
It's sad, it really is. It's early sexualization of children, and teenage girls. The worst part about it is, alot of girls think that this type of image attracts the opposite sex...How can acting stupid be attractive? The guy is going to use you , then lose you.
Girls look up to these people. I really don't think it's something we should take lightly.
When the word "like" is used 30 times in one sentence ( "And like he asked me to go out for coffe but i was like nuhuh i'm really not interested, he called me like 30 times like...")....it's a problem.
When stores for little girls (La Senza Girls for example) are selling thongs for anyone under 15,....There is a problem. For God's sake, little girl, you're 12, you should be wearing granny style panties!!! Oh, and are those fake nails with a french manicured tip? Oh and what? You did WHAT to that guy???
When girls as young as 9 years old are walking down the street at night with HIGHLIGHTS and LOWLIGHTS in their hair, there is a problem. Mind you this is before their get their period.I wasn't allowed to dye my hair until I hit 16!!!
When young girls can spell V-U-I-T-T-O-N better than any other word in the dictionnary, oh yeah there is a problem.
It's sad, it really is. It's early sexualization of children, and teenage girls. The worst part about it is, alot of girls think that this type of image attracts the opposite sex...How can acting stupid be attractive? The guy is going to use you , then lose you.
Girls look up to these people. I really don't think it's something we should take lightly.
MissMarley
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AMEN HALLUJAH PREACH IT BABY PREACH IT!!
Let children be children. "Prostitots" are not attracting boys their age- they're attracting predators.
Originally Posted by GreekChick
I think the whole problem here is that Paris, Britney, Lindsay, Nicole and the rest of the crew, are promoting an image that is simply degrading to women. Young girls are becoming stupider with each generation. Alot of the times, they speak in such poor vocabulary. Yeah for sure we'll blame the parents, but who else promotes that? The girls stated above. When the word "like" is used 30 times in one sentence ( "And like he asked me to go out for coffe but i was like nuhuh i'm really not interested, he called me like 30 times like...")....it's a problem. When stores for little girls (La Senza Girls for example) are selling thongs for anyone under 15,....There is a problem. For God's sake, little girl, you're 12, you should be wearing granny style panties!!! Oh, and are those fake nails with a french manicured tip? Oh and what? You did WHAT to that guy??? When girls as young as 9 years old are walking down the street at night with HIGHLIGHTS and LOWLIGHTS in their hair, there is a problem. Mind you this is before their get their period.I wasn't allowed to dye my hair until I hit 16!!! When young girls can spell V-U-I-T-T-O-N better than any other word in the dictionnary, oh yeah there is a problem. It's sad, it really is. It's early sexualization of children, and teenage girls. The worst part about it is, alot of girls think that this type of image attracts the opposite sex...How can acting stupid be attractive? The guy is going to use you , then lose you. Girls look up to these people. I really don't think it's something we should take lightly. |
AMEN HALLUJAH PREACH IT BABY PREACH IT!!
Let children be children. "Prostitots" are not attracting boys their age- they're attracting predators.
Raerae
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I use the work "like" all the time. And have for YEARS. This isn't something new. We were saying, "like" in California well before Brit, Paris, and Lindsay became famous. I also know how to remove the word "like" and all my "umms" from my vocabulary when the need arrives. Interviews, any sort of public speaking. Etc. I dont think it's necessary people speak with proper english or grammar and avoid slang when their hanging out with their friends. Who cares? it's fun. I also overly abuse the words, "Oh my god!" It's fun, not a big deal. You would say, "like" too if you lived in California. Every part of the country has it's vernacular. Just because Hollywood uses LA vernacular doesn't make it wrong.
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Under 15? LOL... I dunno about you, but most people I knew stopped wearing "granny" panties as early as 7th grade. As soon as PE happened, and we had to change in the locker room with all the older girls. It's just wanting to be an adult. Yeh, i was 12 in 7th grade. This has nothing to do with the "sexualization" of kids, it's girls wanting to be older than they are. Seems pretty normal to me.
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Reading in a little much to acrylic nails? Just cuz their acrylics doesn't make them trashy or "sexy." Not to mention you can do a french tip w/out acrylics.
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Considering the 2005 statistics are in on teen pregnancy/sex rates and they are the LOWEST they have ever been in 30 years, I think were doing OK on this. The average age girls lose virginity is 17, it's has been 17 for a while now. I hate to break it to yah, but people aren't having more sex. Or waiting longer than they did years ago. Thats a false perception that people were more chaste 20-30-40 etc years ago. They just didn't talk about it as openly. More talk != more sex.
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<shrug> you had strict parents. Plenty of girls had bottle blonde hair when I was in jr high. Were you a 80's child? I know i had my hair crimped and teased out. Wanna know why? Cuz the pretty actress's did it too! It's the SAME thing as today, only the hairstyle is highlights and lowlights, not big crimpy hair. This isn't anything different, it's just the current trend in hair styles.
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I had to learn how to spell Superfluous in 1st grade. This was in the 80's. I'm sure it's not as bad as you say it is.
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While i dont disagree that there has been a increase in the visual sexualization of younger and younger generations. I'm still torn on whether this is a bad thing. Women now have the freedom to express their sexuality more than they ever have in years past (something men have been doing for how long now?). It just happens that female sexuality is tied into "looking sexy." So as we've gained more freedom to not be judged negativly for expressing our sexuality, it's only obvious that this will trickle down.
How is this any different though than just over a century ago, when girls in their early teens were being married off to men, often much older than they were, and then gotten pregnant? How is that not "early sexualization" of children? What? Just cuz they were "married" it suddenly makes it OK for an older man to force himself on a young girl (this is still perfectly NORMAL in many parts of the world today btw).
Yes girls look sexier at an earlier age. But they also have access to freedoms that have been denied to women for thousands of years (and still are in most of the world). Contraception, sex education, less social stigma for female sexuality etc. But in looking at the numbers of teen pregnancies and such, girls nationwide seem to be handling that responsibility rather well.
| Originally Posted by GreekChick
When the word "like" is used 30 times in one sentence ( "And like he asked me to go out for coffe but i was like nuhuh i'm really not interested, he called me like 30 times like...")....it's a problem. |
I use the work "like" all the time. And have for YEARS. This isn't something new. We were saying, "like" in California well before Brit, Paris, and Lindsay became famous. I also know how to remove the word "like" and all my "umms" from my vocabulary when the need arrives. Interviews, any sort of public speaking. Etc. I dont think it's necessary people speak with proper english or grammar and avoid slang when their hanging out with their friends. Who cares? it's fun. I also overly abuse the words, "Oh my god!" It's fun, not a big deal. You would say, "like" too if you lived in California. Every part of the country has it's vernacular. Just because Hollywood uses LA vernacular doesn't make it wrong.
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| When stores for little girls (La Senza Girls for example) are selling thongs for anyone under 15,....There is a problem. For God's sake, little girl, you're 12, you should be wearing granny style panties!!! |
Under 15? LOL... I dunno about you, but most people I knew stopped wearing "granny" panties as early as 7th grade. As soon as PE happened, and we had to change in the locker room with all the older girls. It's just wanting to be an adult. Yeh, i was 12 in 7th grade. This has nothing to do with the "sexualization" of kids, it's girls wanting to be older than they are. Seems pretty normal to me.
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| Oh, and are those fake nails with a french manicured tip? |
Reading in a little much to acrylic nails? Just cuz their acrylics doesn't make them trashy or "sexy." Not to mention you can do a french tip w/out acrylics.
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| Oh and what? You did WHAT to that guy??? |
Considering the 2005 statistics are in on teen pregnancy/sex rates and they are the LOWEST they have ever been in 30 years, I think were doing OK on this. The average age girls lose virginity is 17, it's has been 17 for a while now. I hate to break it to yah, but people aren't having more sex. Or waiting longer than they did years ago. Thats a false perception that people were more chaste 20-30-40 etc years ago. They just didn't talk about it as openly. More talk != more sex.
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| When girls as young as 9 years old are walking down the street at night with HIGHLIGHTS and LOWLIGHTS in their hair, there is a problem. Mind you this is before their get their period.I wasn't allowed to dye my hair until I hit 16!!! |
<shrug> you had strict parents. Plenty of girls had bottle blonde hair when I was in jr high. Were you a 80's child? I know i had my hair crimped and teased out. Wanna know why? Cuz the pretty actress's did it too! It's the SAME thing as today, only the hairstyle is highlights and lowlights, not big crimpy hair. This isn't anything different, it's just the current trend in hair styles.
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| When young girls can spell V-U-I-T-T-O-N better than any other word in the dictionnary, oh yeah there is a problem. |
I had to learn how to spell Superfluous in 1st grade. This was in the 80's. I'm sure it's not as bad as you say it is.
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| It's sad, it really is. It's early sexualization of children, and teenage girls. The worst part about it is, alot of girls think that this type of image attracts the opposite sex...How can acting stupid be attractive? The guy is going to use you , then lose you. Girls look up to these people. I really don't think it's something we should take lightly. |
While i dont disagree that there has been a increase in the visual sexualization of younger and younger generations. I'm still torn on whether this is a bad thing. Women now have the freedom to express their sexuality more than they ever have in years past (something men have been doing for how long now?). It just happens that female sexuality is tied into "looking sexy." So as we've gained more freedom to not be judged negativly for expressing our sexuality, it's only obvious that this will trickle down.
How is this any different though than just over a century ago, when girls in their early teens were being married off to men, often much older than they were, and then gotten pregnant? How is that not "early sexualization" of children? What? Just cuz they were "married" it suddenly makes it OK for an older man to force himself on a young girl (this is still perfectly NORMAL in many parts of the world today btw).
Yes girls look sexier at an earlier age. But they also have access to freedoms that have been denied to women for thousands of years (and still are in most of the world). Contraception, sex education, less social stigma for female sexuality etc. But in looking at the numbers of teen pregnancies and such, girls nationwide seem to be handling that responsibility rather well.
GreekChick
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Do you have any children? More specifically any girls?
If you do, please reconsider your arguments stated above as well as the way you might view anyone under 16.
For some parents, a newborn grandchild is the only thing that makes them reevaluate their parental skills. Then again, it's too late.
Everyone uses the word "like" around the world...
But what everyone doesn't DO is use it 30 times in one single sentence, thinking their making smart conversation. Have you seen the movie Clueless? This is what im refering to...The way you read my sentence quoting girls who excessively use that word in one sentence wasn't even an exaggeration. This is how they speak. You use it everyday but remove it from public conversations and so on...yet again you're 25. That's not far from Paris Hilton's age either. You're old enough to know it's slang. Hey, some girls dont!
I also don't understand how arguing that a thong at age 12 is appropriate. I mean why do we wear them? No seamlines? A smooth looking butt ? What else? Oh yes....for the sexiness. A thong is sexual...Now if you think a 12 year old should look sexual then that's your way of seeing things. It's very wrong. Yeah it is about looking older too, but no one ever said that was a good thing.
I'm not against acrylics. I love them! I have also tried them all. But the fact that a girl who just started high school is paying lots of $$ just to get them is insane. Spending her time in hair/ nail salons just so she can look like britney...Ah come on when does it stop??? I suppose you're for piercings at age 9 too?
As for your sex comment about people talking about it more openly...I was still speaking of the "innocent" girl aged under 15 who is running around giving b-jobs to the entire town, in god knows where...Hey you want to know something? This girl will probably become pregnant at 14, abort X times and make a low income. Her boyfriend will probably beat her too, cause all she learned in her teens was to please. And obey.
And how was the Vuitton comment missed? It's not the word that is difficult to say!!! It's the fact that girls dont even know what "superfluous" means or how it's written but they do know Monsieur Louis Vuitton and his spring collection for 2007. They also know how to ask Daddy to buy it for them.
Yeah, you're right: Women did fight for their rights. Point here is : Women fought FOR WOMEN. Not toddlers. A 13 yr old is NOT a woman.
You love debating, I see that!! I just think if you're going to defend your point of view, please make sure it's credible. You're basically saying it's Ok if little girls look like prostitutes. It seems totally normal because we all wanted to grow up at some point didn't we?
| Originally Posted by Raerae
I use the work "like" all the time. And have for YEARS. This isn't something new. We were saying, "like" in California well before Brit, Paris, and Lindsay became famous. I also know how to remove the word "like" and all my "umms" from my vocabulary when the need arrives. Interviews, any sort of public speaking. Etc. I dont think it's necessary people speak with proper english or grammar and avoid slang when their hanging out with their friends. Who cares? it's fun. I also overly abuse the words, "Oh my god!" It's fun, not a big deal. You would say, "like" too if you lived in California. Every part of the country has it's vernacular. Just because Hollywood uses LA vernacular doesn't make it wrong. Under 15? LOL... I dunno about you, but most people I knew stopped wearing "granny" panties as early as 7th grade. As soon as PE happened, and we had to change in the locker room with all the older girls. It's just wanting to be an adult. Yeh, i was 12 in 7th grade. This has nothing to do with the "sexualization" of kids, it's girls wanting to be older than they are. Seems pretty normal to me. Reading in a little much to acrylic nails? Just cuz their acrylics doesn't make them trashy or "sexy." Not to mention you can do a french tip w/out acrylics. Considering the 2005 statistics are in on teen pregnancy/sex rates and they are the LOWEST they have ever been in 30 years, I think were doing OK on this. The average age girls lose virginity is 17, it's has been 17 for a while now. I hate to break it to yah, but people aren't having more sex. Or waiting longer than they did years ago. Thats a false perception that people were more chaste 20-30-40 etc years ago. They just didn't talk about it as openly. More talk != more sex. <shrug> you had strict parents. Plenty of girls had bottle blonde hair when I was in jr high. Were you a 80's child? I know i had my hair crimped and teased out. Wanna know why? Cuz the pretty actress's did it too! It's the SAME thing as today, only the hairstyle is highlights and lowlights, not big crimpy hair. This isn't anything different, it's just the current trend in hair styles. I had to learn how to spell Superfluous in 1st grade. This was in the 80's. I'm sure it's not as bad as you say it is. While i dont disagree that there has been a increase in the visual sexualization of younger and younger generations. I'm still torn on whether this is a bad thing. Women now have the freedom to express their sexuality more than they ever have in years past (something men have been doing for how long now?). It just happens that female sexuality is tied into "looking sexy." So as we've gained more freedom to not be judged negativly for expressing our sexuality, it's only obvious that this will trickle down. How is this any different though than just over a century ago, when girls in their early teens were being married off to men, often much older than they were, and then gotten pregnant? How is that not "early sexualization" of children? What? Just cuz they were "married" it suddenly makes it OK for an older man to force himself on a young girl (this is still perfectly NORMAL in many parts of the world today btw). Yes girls look sexier at an earlier age. But they also have access to freedoms that have been denied to women for thousands of years (and still are in most of the world). Contraception, sex education, less social stigma for female sexuality etc. But in looking at the numbers of teen pregnancies and such, girls nationwide seem to be handling that responsibility rather well. |
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Do you have any children? More specifically any girls?
If you do, please reconsider your arguments stated above as well as the way you might view anyone under 16.
For some parents, a newborn grandchild is the only thing that makes them reevaluate their parental skills. Then again, it's too late.
Everyone uses the word "like" around the world...
But what everyone doesn't DO is use it 30 times in one single sentence, thinking their making smart conversation. Have you seen the movie Clueless? This is what im refering to...The way you read my sentence quoting girls who excessively use that word in one sentence wasn't even an exaggeration. This is how they speak. You use it everyday but remove it from public conversations and so on...yet again you're 25. That's not far from Paris Hilton's age either. You're old enough to know it's slang. Hey, some girls dont!
I also don't understand how arguing that a thong at age 12 is appropriate. I mean why do we wear them? No seamlines? A smooth looking butt ? What else? Oh yes....for the sexiness. A thong is sexual...Now if you think a 12 year old should look sexual then that's your way of seeing things. It's very wrong. Yeah it is about looking older too, but no one ever said that was a good thing.
I'm not against acrylics. I love them! I have also tried them all. But the fact that a girl who just started high school is paying lots of $$ just to get them is insane. Spending her time in hair/ nail salons just so she can look like britney...Ah come on when does it stop??? I suppose you're for piercings at age 9 too?
As for your sex comment about people talking about it more openly...I was still speaking of the "innocent" girl aged under 15 who is running around giving b-jobs to the entire town, in god knows where...Hey you want to know something? This girl will probably become pregnant at 14, abort X times and make a low income. Her boyfriend will probably beat her too, cause all she learned in her teens was to please. And obey.
And how was the Vuitton comment missed? It's not the word that is difficult to say!!! It's the fact that girls dont even know what "superfluous" means or how it's written but they do know Monsieur Louis Vuitton and his spring collection for 2007. They also know how to ask Daddy to buy it for them.
Yeah, you're right: Women did fight for their rights. Point here is : Women fought FOR WOMEN. Not toddlers. A 13 yr old is NOT a woman.
You love debating, I see that!! I just think if you're going to defend your point of view, please make sure it's credible. You're basically saying it's Ok if little girls look like prostitutes. It seems totally normal because we all wanted to grow up at some point didn't we?
user79
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Girls should dress like little girls, and not like hookers. Thongs for little kids is just plain wrong. wtf.
There are ways of looking and acting grown up without looking like a hooker.
And actually Raerae, while pregnancy may be falling (which I'm not sure of since you quote no real stats), AIDS and other STDs are on the rise again, especially with young persons. So being promiscuous at a very early age without doing it safely can be very detrimental.
There are ways of looking and acting grown up without looking like a hooker.
And actually Raerae, while pregnancy may be falling (which I'm not sure of since you quote no real stats), AIDS and other STDs are on the rise again, especially with young persons. So being promiscuous at a very early age without doing it safely can be very detrimental.
Deirdre
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This is think is the whole crux of the situation. Because of this, there seems to be a cultural conflict: on one hand we have a highly sexualized schoolgirl, short skirts, uniforms and all, inviting sexual attention, while people are fighting against the growing child pornography industry.
I don't think there are more pedophiles than there used to be. We have a climate where pedophiles are a lot more uninhibited, and I can't help but blame the media, movies, etc., and most especially the Internet. Now, it's available, easy, and if Dateline is to be believed, and I do, young girls are more vulnerable than ever.
I cringe when I see young teens dressed in a provocative way, and I feel like a hypocrite for feeling this way, because I wore tube tops and short shorts when I was their age. But it was a different world, it really was. I wasn't hyper aware of my sexuality, and I didn't get a kick out of flaunting myself, and any of the leering adults around me seemed to be under more social control than the same men now.
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Why is it different? Because it's wrong. And it IS early sexualization of children. Children used to have to marry men three times older than them. Not only were they being sexually abused, it was also acceptable to beat them! I doubt very much that young ladies of the manor, and young ladies of the house or hut, were entirely thrilled with many of their mates. This was obviously not okay with people who pushed for laws against this practice. Luckily for us, we have some laws in place to protect us, now. Just because it was common practice a couple hundred years ago, doesn't support this argument, at all.
| While i dont disagree that there has been a increase in the visual sexualization of younger and younger generations. I'm still torn on whether this is a bad thing. |
This is think is the whole crux of the situation. Because of this, there seems to be a cultural conflict: on one hand we have a highly sexualized schoolgirl, short skirts, uniforms and all, inviting sexual attention, while people are fighting against the growing child pornography industry.
I don't think there are more pedophiles than there used to be. We have a climate where pedophiles are a lot more uninhibited, and I can't help but blame the media, movies, etc., and most especially the Internet. Now, it's available, easy, and if Dateline is to be believed, and I do, young girls are more vulnerable than ever.
I cringe when I see young teens dressed in a provocative way, and I feel like a hypocrite for feeling this way, because I wore tube tops and short shorts when I was their age. But it was a different world, it really was. I wasn't hyper aware of my sexuality, and I didn't get a kick out of flaunting myself, and any of the leering adults around me seemed to be under more social control than the same men now.
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| How is this any different though than just over a century ago, when girls in their early teens were being married off to men, often much older than they were, and then gotten pregnant? How is that not "early sexualization" of children? What? Just cuz they were "married" it suddenly makes it OK for an older man to force himself on a young girl (this is still perfectly NORMAL in many parts of the world today btw). |
Why is it different? Because it's wrong. And it IS early sexualization of children. Children used to have to marry men three times older than them. Not only were they being sexually abused, it was also acceptable to beat them! I doubt very much that young ladies of the manor, and young ladies of the house or hut, were entirely thrilled with many of their mates. This was obviously not okay with people who pushed for laws against this practice. Luckily for us, we have some laws in place to protect us, now. Just because it was common practice a couple hundred years ago, doesn't support this argument, at all.
Shimmer
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This is the same argument that's been had...over and over and over again.
It's hard, really really hard, to walk the line between what is right and what is fun. It really is.
I choose to dress in a sexy manner sometimes, and my daughter does see it.
When she comments and says "Whoa.Mom you look..whoa." I tell her, I'm an adult. I'm going into an adult situation with other adults. When you are an adult, you will be able to make the decision, or not, to do the same thing.
It's my job to cover her butt, not decorate it. It's my job to raise her with a healthy perspective on all things adult, mature, and matters sexual and nonsexual.
At ten years of age, there is NO NEED for her to wear thong underwear. There is no NEED for her to wear skimpy shorts or tops.
What's more is, at ten years of age, she can't handle or process the type of attention that wearing those types of things generates. Even more importantly, she shouldn't have to. My daughter, and yours, and yours, and anyone else's, shouldn't HAVE to worry about "Is my strap slipping down and about to show my boob?" because she's a child. She's not an adult. She isn't ready or able to handle herself in adult situations.
There are studies (and, were I not immersed in ripping out door frames I would find them) that indicate that the teenaged brain is insufficiently developed to allow for proper decision making. That's quite obvious, I think we can all remember being teenagers and look back at decisions and say "Why did I DO that???"
Point is, our kids shouldn't have to worry about someone peeking down their shirts, or pedophiles being invited to indulge their whims, or being pressured to become sexually active at a time before they're ready or able to handle the consequences because we as parents have the responsibility to protect them from those situations. Until you've had a child, and held that child in your arms, and realized the full import of what being a parent is, until you've looked into a pair of eyes staring back at you with nothing but trust and love, until you've come to the cold hard realization that this world will chew you up and spit you out and never once bat an eye, and it'll do the same to your progeny...until you've reached, met, understood, and embraced those conclusions, your opinion, while valid because it IS your opinion, is wholly unrealistic, because quite frankly, you just don't know.
It's hard, really really hard, to walk the line between what is right and what is fun. It really is.
I choose to dress in a sexy manner sometimes, and my daughter does see it.
When she comments and says "Whoa.Mom you look..whoa." I tell her, I'm an adult. I'm going into an adult situation with other adults. When you are an adult, you will be able to make the decision, or not, to do the same thing.
It's my job to cover her butt, not decorate it. It's my job to raise her with a healthy perspective on all things adult, mature, and matters sexual and nonsexual.
At ten years of age, there is NO NEED for her to wear thong underwear. There is no NEED for her to wear skimpy shorts or tops.
What's more is, at ten years of age, she can't handle or process the type of attention that wearing those types of things generates. Even more importantly, she shouldn't have to. My daughter, and yours, and yours, and anyone else's, shouldn't HAVE to worry about "Is my strap slipping down and about to show my boob?" because she's a child. She's not an adult. She isn't ready or able to handle herself in adult situations.
There are studies (and, were I not immersed in ripping out door frames I would find them) that indicate that the teenaged brain is insufficiently developed to allow for proper decision making. That's quite obvious, I think we can all remember being teenagers and look back at decisions and say "Why did I DO that???"
Point is, our kids shouldn't have to worry about someone peeking down their shirts, or pedophiles being invited to indulge their whims, or being pressured to become sexually active at a time before they're ready or able to handle the consequences because we as parents have the responsibility to protect them from those situations. Until you've had a child, and held that child in your arms, and realized the full import of what being a parent is, until you've looked into a pair of eyes staring back at you with nothing but trust and love, until you've come to the cold hard realization that this world will chew you up and spit you out and never once bat an eye, and it'll do the same to your progeny...until you've reached, met, understood, and embraced those conclusions, your opinion, while valid because it IS your opinion, is wholly unrealistic, because quite frankly, you just don't know.
Raerae
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Thats a parenting issue right? Not the kids fault?
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Younger girls aren't typically in any sort of situation where "proper" speaking is generally required. And if/when they are, I would hope that their Mothers would do the same things that mine did to me, and make me aware of how using, "like, um, OMG, etc" makes you look "uneducated." These young girls that your so often around, have you seen them speak in a formal setting? Or are you just listening in on conversations with their friends while their shopping in the mall?
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Not everyone attaches "sexual" meaning to every panty in their wardrobe... I hardly think the pink, white, black, or grey, or blue cotton thongs that come 5/$20.00 at any department store are sexy. Boyshorts are cuter anyways and imho look a lot sexier than thongs do. And those cover more of your bootey. There is more to the "sexiness" of bra's and panties then just the cut.
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Getting a mani-petti with acrylics is like $25.00, maybe 30 with tip... For any highschooler with a partime job and no bills, since there living at home, it's not a lot of money. We have LOTS of highschoolers who spend hundreds on MAC here too.
As far as piercings, <shrug> i see plenty of babies with pierced ears. And i know there are lots of women on these forums who had their ears pierced when they were like 1 or 2 years of age. They turned out fine.
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Your taking one minority incident that happened and blowing it way out of proportion. Just cuz 1 girl did this, doesn't suddenly mean everyone is giving head to their entire city.
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Nothing wrong with people knowing about fashion, it's all over the internet, it's not exactly secret information. And if Daddy wants to buy it for them, who are you to judge? It's not your money. Your telling me you didn't read your Moms fashion magazines when you were younger?
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I agree a 13 year old is a child. But I do think your making the whole deal into something much bigger than it is.
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I think it's ok for them to have the choice to dress however they want. It's up to the parents to provide them with guidance about their clothing choices, and what sutuations warrent what types of clothing.
And when did a skirt and a t-shirt/tank top become dressing like a prostitute?
| Originally Posted by GreekChick
Do you have any children? More specifically any girls? If you do, please reconsider your arguments stated above as well as the way you might view anyone under 16. For some parents, a newborn grandchild is the only thing that makes them reevaluate their parental skills. Then again, it's too late. |
Thats a parenting issue right? Not the kids fault?
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| Everyone uses the word "like" around the world... But what everyone doesn't DO is use it 30 times in one single sentence, thinking their making smart conversation. Have you seen the movie Clueless? This is what im refering to...The way you read my sentence quoting girls who excessively use that word in one sentence wasn't even an exaggeration. This is how they speak. You use it everyday but remove it from public conversations and so on...yet again you're 25. That's not far from Paris Hilton's age either. You're old enough to know it's slang. Hey, some girls dont! |
Younger girls aren't typically in any sort of situation where "proper" speaking is generally required. And if/when they are, I would hope that their Mothers would do the same things that mine did to me, and make me aware of how using, "like, um, OMG, etc" makes you look "uneducated." These young girls that your so often around, have you seen them speak in a formal setting? Or are you just listening in on conversations with their friends while their shopping in the mall?
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| I also don't understand how arguing that a thong at age 12 is appropriate. I mean why do we wear them? No seamlines? A smooth looking butt ? What else? Oh yes....for the sexiness. A thong is sexual...Now if you think a 12 year old should look sexual then that's your way of seeing things. It's very wrong. Yeah it is about looking older too, but no one ever said that was a good thing. |
Not everyone attaches "sexual" meaning to every panty in their wardrobe... I hardly think the pink, white, black, or grey, or blue cotton thongs that come 5/$20.00 at any department store are sexy. Boyshorts are cuter anyways and imho look a lot sexier than thongs do. And those cover more of your bootey. There is more to the "sexiness" of bra's and panties then just the cut.
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| I'm not against acrylics. I love them! I have also tried them all. But the fact that a girl who just started high school is paying lots of $$ just to get them is insane. Spending her time in hair/ nail salons just so she can look like britney...Ah come on when does it stop??? I suppose you're for piercings at age 9 too? |
Getting a mani-petti with acrylics is like $25.00, maybe 30 with tip... For any highschooler with a partime job and no bills, since there living at home, it's not a lot of money. We have LOTS of highschoolers who spend hundreds on MAC here too.
As far as piercings, <shrug> i see plenty of babies with pierced ears. And i know there are lots of women on these forums who had their ears pierced when they were like 1 or 2 years of age. They turned out fine.
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| As for your sex comment about people talking about it more openly...I was still speaking of the "innocent" girl aged under 15 who is running around giving b-jobs to the entire town, in god knows where...Hey you want to know something? This girl will probably become pregnant at 14, abort X times and make a low income. Her boyfriend will probably beat her too, cause all she learned in her teens was to please. And obey. |
Your taking one minority incident that happened and blowing it way out of proportion. Just cuz 1 girl did this, doesn't suddenly mean everyone is giving head to their entire city.
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| And how was the Vuitton comment missed? It's not the word that is difficult to say!!! It's the fact that girls dont even know what "superfluous" means or how it's written but they do know Monsieur Louis Vuitton and his spring collection for 2007. They also know how to ask Daddy to buy it for them. |
Nothing wrong with people knowing about fashion, it's all over the internet, it's not exactly secret information. And if Daddy wants to buy it for them, who are you to judge? It's not your money. Your telling me you didn't read your Moms fashion magazines when you were younger?
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| Yeah, you're right: Women did fight for their rights. Point here is : Women fought FOR WOMEN. Not toddlers. A 13 yr old is NOT a woman. |
I agree a 13 year old is a child. But I do think your making the whole deal into something much bigger than it is.
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| You love debating, I see that!! I just think if you're going to defend your point of view, please make sure it's credible. You're basically saying it's Ok if little girls look like prostitutes. It seems totally normal because we all wanted to grow up at some point didn't we? |
I think it's ok for them to have the choice to dress however they want. It's up to the parents to provide them with guidance about their clothing choices, and what sutuations warrent what types of clothing.
And when did a skirt and a t-shirt/tank top become dressing like a prostitute?
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I never said this was right fyi.
I meant it more along the lines of, people seem so shocked today about this whole, "sexualization" of younger girls. When it's the same thing thats been going on for years and years, just a different expression of it.
| Originally Posted by Deirdre
Why is it different? Because it's wrong. And it IS early sexualization of children. Children used to have to marry men three times older than them. Not only were they being sexually abused, it was also acceptable to beat them! I doubt very much that young ladies of the manor, and young ladies of the house or hut, were entirely thrilled with many of their mates. This was obviously not okay with people who pushed for laws against this practice. Luckily for us, we have some laws in place to protect us, now. Just because it was common practice a couple hundred years ago, doesn't support this argument, at all. |
I never said this was right fyi.
I meant it more along the lines of, people seem so shocked today about this whole, "sexualization" of younger girls. When it's the same thing thats been going on for years and years, just a different expression of it.
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I agree with this 100%. I also think a lot more of it has to do with a willingness to report in the media topics that used to be hush hush. As well as victims being more willing to go to authorities about it.
There are just as many "funny uncles" today than there were in years past. Were just not afraid to confront the issue, instead of tucking it away because it's "embarrasing."
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I dont think pervy guys are any more pervy today though. Like I said before, I think as a society were just maturing enough to be able to talk about these things now. Where victims aren't made to feel ashamed. And like anything, once you expose a problem, it becomes more visible. But increased visibility alone doesn't suddenly mean it's been happening any more or less.
Look at all the boys abused by the church. All that stuff happened years ago. Yet it's only now comming to light. It's a safe bet that it went on just as much before then as well, only victims were told to be quiet, or were not believed.
More media exposure is good, but it's no reason to think that these things are suddenly becomming a bigger problem. If anything we can finally address the problem, because were willing to talk about what used to be a dirty secret.
| Originally Posted by Deirdre
I don't think there are more pedophiles than there used to be. We have a climate where pedophiles are a lot more uninhibited, and I can't help but blame the media, movies, etc., and most especially the Internet. |
I agree with this 100%. I also think a lot more of it has to do with a willingness to report in the media topics that used to be hush hush. As well as victims being more willing to go to authorities about it.
There are just as many "funny uncles" today than there were in years past. Were just not afraid to confront the issue, instead of tucking it away because it's "embarrasing."
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| Now, it's available, easy, and if Dateline is to be believed, and I do, young girls are more vulnerable than ever. I cringe when I see young teens dressed in a provocative way, and I feel like a hypocrite for feeling this way, because I wore tube tops and short shorts when I was their age. But it was a different world, it really was. I wasn't hyper aware of my sexuality, and I didn't get a kick out of flaunting myself, and any of the leering adults around me seemed to be under more social control than the same men now. |
I dont think pervy guys are any more pervy today though. Like I said before, I think as a society were just maturing enough to be able to talk about these things now. Where victims aren't made to feel ashamed. And like anything, once you expose a problem, it becomes more visible. But increased visibility alone doesn't suddenly mean it's been happening any more or less.
Look at all the boys abused by the church. All that stuff happened years ago. Yet it's only now comming to light. It's a safe bet that it went on just as much before then as well, only victims were told to be quiet, or were not believed.
More media exposure is good, but it's no reason to think that these things are suddenly becomming a bigger problem. If anything we can finally address the problem, because were willing to talk about what used to be a dirty secret.
Raerae
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I agree with you 100%. It's YOUR resopnsibility to make sure of these things.
But I also think it's important to have the freedom's availible to dress however you please at whatever age. Without calling ourselves whores, sluts, and prostitutes. Were only now just starting to get over the social stigma's of female sexuality.
| Originally Posted by Shimmer
we as parents have the responsibility to protect them from those situations. |
I agree with you 100%. It's YOUR resopnsibility to make sure of these things.
But I also think it's important to have the freedom's availible to dress however you please at whatever age. Without calling ourselves whores, sluts, and prostitutes. Were only now just starting to get over the social stigma's of female sexuality.
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Your logic is faulty, because as a child, the ramifications of wearing "whatever we want to at whatever age" are out of our ken.
As an adult, my daughter can wear thong bikinis and platform heels, it's her decision. She's the one who has to deal with the good and bad effects of the situation. She's the one who has to deal with being hit on by every sleaze in the near vicinity. She's the one who has to deal with the lack of credibility in her chosen profession. She's the one who has to deal with the consequences of her actions.
As a child she doesn't have the ability or the capacity to handle herself in the situation(s) that dressing in a suggestive manner may put her in. Therefore, no, for the sake of her own safety, she cannot wear whatever she wants to regardless of age.
As an adult, my daughter can wear thong bikinis and platform heels, it's her decision. She's the one who has to deal with the good and bad effects of the situation. She's the one who has to deal with being hit on by every sleaze in the near vicinity. She's the one who has to deal with the lack of credibility in her chosen profession. She's the one who has to deal with the consequences of her actions.
As a child she doesn't have the ability or the capacity to handle herself in the situation(s) that dressing in a suggestive manner may put her in. Therefore, no, for the sake of her own safety, she cannot wear whatever she wants to regardless of age.
