Sarah Palin

bellaconnie80

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Originally Posted by darkwater_soul
That's what they have been trying to do. You keep saying you want to stick to important issues, but you have yet to RAISE ONE. Calling her names (Palin) doesn't discuss her political views. They aren't coming to Palin's defense, they are merely stating that debate isn't about petty remarks and mudslinging, it's about the discussion of views, issues and facts - not of harsh words and rash statments. If you want the topic to go back to discussion, then post some of her views you agree with and why, where you got your sources, and I'm sure you'll find everyone will be much more apt to debate with you.
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I raised a issue which was her charging rape victim for the rape kit.

Another point is she wastes tax payers money as the governor of Alaska she has requested more earmarks per person than any other state.

She lied about the bridge to no where she was for support of it until congress pulled the plug and the state kept the money.

Her party lied about her going to Iraq, the only foreign nation she has ever been to is an airport in Ireland.

YouTube - Sarah Palin Lies
 

TheeBettyBoop

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Re: Palin -she what?!

wow! I'm barely learning all this stuff, I've been so busy lately that I just take a 15 minute break to check my e-mails and come in here, wow.
 

xStarryEyedX

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Re: Palin -she what?!

I am so beyond not okay with her being a candidate for VP. Someone needs to make her repeat outloud "separation of church& state" at least 100 times. She freaks me out. Well, people like her freak me out..But the idea of her being VP...
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miss_cinday

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Originally Posted by kimmy
i completely agree. my intent was not to sway anyone's opinion. my intent was to just point out that while everyone wants to attack palin saying that she's going to take away our rights as women but they often forget that we have a checks and balances system that will not allow it.



i never said it didn't matter if mccain and palin were elected. i said that her stance on abortion doesn't matter, by which i mean it will not affect the general public adversly. again, i was trying to remind people of the checks and balances system. i know the votes to overturn roe v wade were very close. HOWEVER, not every republican is against abortion. there are a great many republicans who are pro-choice. and do you really think the public would support that kind of ruling anyway? because i promise you that if they overturn it, the people will reinstate it.


Here's an article from Huffington Post:


What Would Really Happen If Abortion Was Left to the States

My eyes are rolling as I watch the cable channels and hear representatives of the John McCain campaign suggest that, even though McCain has consistently called for the overturn of the Supreme Court's landmark decision in Roe v. Wade, his position simply means that the issue of a woman's right to privacy would go back to the states.
There are so many things wrong with this McCain-generated-campaign spin designed to appeal to moderate voters, so let's break it down in the following ways:
First, in order for the issue to go to the states, Roe would have to be overturned. (Details, details.)
Second, the reversal of Roe would clear the way for a Congress currently dominated by anti-choice politicians to ban abortion and thus override any state laws guaranteeing a woman's right to choose.
Here is a question for you, John McCain (and those of you who support him): In which states should the right to privacy exist and in which states should politicians have control over personal, private medical decisions? This question isn't out of the blue. Here is what we know:
Several states have near-total abortion bans already on the books that will become enforceable if Roe is overturned:
* 15 states currently have unconstitutional and unenforceable near-total bans on abortion already on the books, either from before Roe (13 states) or in the case of two states (LA and UT) from the early 1990s when they seized on a close vote in the Supreme Court to try to overturn Roe. These bans may become enforceable if Roe falls: AL, AZ, AR, CO, DE, LA, MA, MI, MS, NM, OK, UT, VT, WV, and WI.
Total states where abortion bans will be in effect if Roe v. Wade is overturned = 15
Some other states have "trigger" bans that will take effect if Roe is overturned:
* 4 states have laws that would impose near-total criminal bans on abortion if the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade (sometimes known as "trigger" bans): LA, MS, ND, and SD.
That gives us two additional states not amongst those 15 states (from above) with near-total bans already on the books.
Total states where abortion bans will be in effect if Roe v. Wade is overturned = 17.
Several states have fully anti-choice governors and legislatures that could pass laws outlawing abortion if Roe is overturned:
* 13 states have anti-choice legislatures and governors and would likely outlaw abortion if Roe falls: AL, ID, IN, LA, MS, MO, NE, ND, RI, SD, TX, UT, and WV.
That gives us 6 additional states not amongst those with abortion bans.
Total states where abortion bans will be in effect if Roe v. Wade is overturned = 23.
Therefore, the total number of states where choice is at risk if Roe v. Wade is overturned: 23 states... or 46 percent of all states!
When John McCain, Sarah Palin (who opposes abortion even in cases of rape and incest), other campaign operatives or conservative commentators attempt to soften McCain-Palin's extreme anti-Roe position by implying that overturning Roe is a simple exercise in states' rights, it really means that the right to privacy vanishes for many American women.


Here's the article link:
Donna Crane: What Would Really Happen If Abortion Was Left to the States
 

miss_cinday

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Palin initially requested Emmons’ resignation, along with those of Wasilla’s other department heads, in October 1996. Palin described the requests as a loyalty test and allowed all of them (except one, whose department she was eliminating) to retain their positions. But in January 1997, Palin fired Emmons, along with the police chief. According to the Chicago Tribune, Palin did not list censorship as a reason for Emmons’ firing, but said she didn’t feel she had Emmons’ support. The decision caused “a stir” in the small town, according to a newspaper account at the time. According to a widely circulated e-mail from Kilkenny, “city residents rallied to the defense of the City Librarian and against Palin’s attempt at out-and-out censorship, so Palin backed down and withdrew her termination letter.”

wow, thats horrible, "loyalty test"?
thats all i can say
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ratmist

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
Here's my thing with LTA...the mother STILL has to deliver the fetus...in WHAT situation does LTA save the mother's life? At that point, what purpose does the death of the fetus serve?

I've read up on some blogs online from women who've had late term abortions. They're always because of preeclampsia, and this means the abortion is done to save the mother's life.

This one was the most compelling one I've ever read for a genuine, medical reason for partial birth abortion. The woman in question still grieves for her twins, whom she wanted very much.

Uppercase Woman: How I Became the Internet Poster Girl for Partial Birth Abortion

Uppercase Woman: Speaking to the Candidates About Choice On the Four Year Anniversary Of This Blog
 

blueagave

Member
I wouldn't identify myself as Republican or as a Democrat, but I still do not support her. It is not for personal reasons (ie, her gender, her personal bio), it is just that if I am voting, I would like to vote for a team that I feel would be capable of making the decisions nesscessary to manage and maintain this country. I, as well as many others, am mostly concerned about economy. I was raised during a time of boom and growth (I'm a Generation Cold Y'er..) and now as a young adult, I am watching things fall apart, and it's educational but it is scary, and I feel I have lost a sense of security for the future. Be it Obama or McCain, I would like whoever wins to turn this country's lemons into lemonade, sort of speak.
Anyway, I would just like to say that even though I do not support her, I am not up for calling her a "crazy bitch" or putting her supporters down. My boyfriend works for a military contractor, and one of the main reasons he is voting Republican this year is because it is in his job's best interest, as they seem to support military expansion. His job = his life. We both try to keep our feelings out of political decisions.
 

elegant-one

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Quote:
Originally Posted by rbella
Do not touch my money. That is all I have to say. I worked my ass off for it, pulled myself out of poverty on my own, and do not look kindly on the government deciding when and where my hard earned dollar is spent.

I want to french kiss you right now for that
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Shimmer

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Originally Posted by blueagave
I wouldn't identify myself as Republican or as a Democrat, but I still do not support her. It is not for personal reasons (ie, her gender, her personal bio), it is just that if I am voting, I would like to vote for a team that I feel would be capable of making the decisions nesscessary to manage and maintain this country. I, as well as many others, am mostly concerned about economy. I was raised during a time of boom and growth (I'm a Generation Cold Y'er..) and now as a young adult, I am watching things fall apart, and it's educational but it is scary, and I feel I have lost a sense of security for the future. Be it Obama or McCain, I would like whoever wins to turn this country's lemons into lemonade, sort of speak.
Anyway, I would just like to say that even though I do not support her, I am not up for calling her a "crazy bitch" or putting her supporters down. My boyfriend works for a military contractor, and one of the main reasons he is voting Republican this year is because it is in his job's best interest, as they seem to support military expansion. His job = his life. We both try to keep our feelings out of political decisions.


The unfortunate part of that statement is that one person won't be able to make the difference initially. Reconstruction is a slow growth. :/
 

BloodMittens

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This is how I look at it.
When you look at a Vice President... think of it this way. IF something were to happen to McCain... could you SERIOUSLY see her as your president?

I know I sure as hell couldn't.

(Woman scares the ever living crap outta me, and that takes a lot.)
Just the idea of outlawing abortion or gay rights (unions, heathcare... come on now?) in general makes my skin crawl (with hatred and disgust or fear, I'm not too sure, maybe all of them.) I have tons of gay friends, but I'm not going to get into that argument at all, I love them to death, and I would do anything for them. Abortion is another issue, but I think that should be up to the mother, and no one else. Your body, you decision. That's just my opinion though
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Juneplum

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A friend sent this to me....


I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic,different.'

Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American
story.

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

Name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.


If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter
registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator
representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years
in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.


If your total resume is: local weather woman, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000
people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking
executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a
Christian.


If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.

If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America 's.

If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DUI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until
age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.
 

sharkbytes

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Just wanted to mention that voting Republican doesn't mean that you are automatically a Christian that is against gay rights and women's issues. Personally, I'm an atheist, and very liberal when it comes to those issues, but I am fiscally conservative, as well as in favor of small government. I find that most people don't lie on either end of the spectrum, but somewhere in the middle.

With all the hate and backlash that surrounds the choice of Sarah Palin for the Republican ticket, I just wanted to make it clear that not everyone who is *considering* voting for McCain/Palin falls into that stereotype. Many folks are worried about the economy and how their money is being spent. It isn't a simple issue by any means, and unfortunately, it's being made simple because there are only two choices.
 

MzzRach

Well-known member
Quote:
Originally Posted by sharkbytes
Just wanted to mention that voting Republican doesn't mean that you are automatically a Christian that is against gay rights and women's issues. Personally, I'm an atheist, and very liberal when it comes to those issues, but I am fiscally conservative, as well as in favor of small government. I find that most people don't lie on either end of the spectrum, but somewhere in the middle.

With all the hate and backlash that surrounds the choice of Sarah Palin for the Republican ticket, I just wanted to make it clear that not everyone who is *considering* voting for McCain/Palin falls into that stereotype. Many folks are worried about the economy and how their money is being spent. It isn't a simple issue by any means, and unfortunately, it's being made simple because there are only two choices.


Well said.
 

Shimmer

Well-known member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Juneplum
A friend sent this to me....


I'm a little confused. Let me see if I have this straight.....

If you grow up in Hawaii , raised by your grandparents, you're 'exotic,different.'

Grow up in Alaska eating moose burgers, a quintessential American
story.

If your name is Barack you're a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.

Name your kids Willow , Trig and Track, you're a maverick.

Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.

Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you're well grounded.


If you spend 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter
registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator
representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years
in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you don't have any real leadership experience.


If your total resume is: local weather woman, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000
people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people, then you're qualified to become the country's second highest ranking
executive.

If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you're not a real Christian.

If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a
Christian.


If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.

If , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with no other option in sex education in your state's school system while your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you're very responsible.

If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your family's values don't represent America 's.

If you're husband is nicknamed 'First Dude', with at least one DUI conviction and no college education, who didn't register to vote until
age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the secession of Alaska from the USA your family is extremely admirable.

OK, much clearer now.


See, the thing is, one could completely flip statements to be as sarcastic toward the Democratic party as you've been toward the Republican. :/
 

elegant-one

Well-known member
It's also drawing inferences that that is how everyone views it/compares them - it's not.

I don't see where he balanced a budget or managed other peoples' money. He himself mentioned how fast he spent the money in his campaign - that scares me more than his name.

Barak Obama is the second largest recipient of monies from the now failed Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac

The names, the moose hunting & many other things are irrelevant
 

*Stargazer*

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Some more Palin related news.

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The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is reviewing complaints from both Americans and Canadians about a Web site columnist who recently described Sarah Palin’s supporters as “white trash,” compared the vice presidential candidate to a “porn actress” and called her daughter’s boyfriend a “redneck” and “ratboy.”

The incendiary column by Toronto-based writer Heather Mallick appeared on the CBC News site on Sept. 5, after the close of the Republican National Convention. On the same day, Britain’s Guardian newspaper published another column by Mallick in which she trashed Palin’s home state of Alaska as a “frontier state full of drunks and crazy people.”

In the CBC story, Mallick wrote that John McCain’s running mate “added nothing to the ticket that the Republicans didn’t already have sewn up, the white trash vote.”

She proceeded to write that the Alaska governor “has a toned-down version of the porn actress look favored by this decade’s woman, the overtreated hair, puffy lips and permanently alarmed expression.”

She also questioned why the Palins were allowing Levi Johnston — 17-year-old Bristol Palin’s boyfriend and father of her unborn baby — into the family.

“What normal father would want Levi ‘I’m a f—-n’ redneck’ Johnson prodding his daughter?” Mallick asked.

“I know that I have an attachment to children that verges on the irrational, but why don’t the Palins? I’m not the one preaching homespun values but I’d destroy that ratboy before I’d let him get within scenting range of my daughter again, and so would you. … Turn your guns on Levi, ma’am.”

CBC Ombudsman Vince Carlin told FOXNews.com that he has gotten “quite a few complaints about [the column], both from Canada and the U.S,” and said he’s reviewing its contents to see if it meets CBC’s journalistic standards and practices.

Asked if Mallick’s column represented the views of CBC or the Canadian government, which owns CBC, Carlin suggested it did not and questioned whether commentators on FOX News represent the views of all Americans.

“I don’t think so,” he answered.

As for Mallick, he said, “She’s a columnist not a journalist.”

Mallick also wrote on the CBC Web site that Republican men, whom she called “sexual inadequates,” must think that women would vote for Palin just because she’s a woman.

In her Guardian column, Mallick claimed her own small-town credentials are just as solid as Palin’s, writing “Palin cannot out-hick me.”

But she said Palin should have stayed in her hometown of Wasilla, writing, “Small towns are places that smart people escape from, for privacy, for variety, for intellect, for survival. Palin should have stayed home.”

Mallick also blasted Alaska as Canada’s ugly stepchild.

“We love our own north to the point of covering our eyes and humming as it melts … but Alaska is different from our north,” she wrote. “We share a 1,500-mile border with a frontier state full of drunks and crazy people, of the blight that cheap-built structures bring to a glorious landscape.

“Alaska is our redneck cousin, our Yukon territory forms a blessed buffer zone, and thank God he never visits. Alaska is the end of the line.”
 

concertina

Well-known member
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shimmer
Here's my thing with LTA...the mother STILL has to deliver the fetus...in WHAT situation does LTA save the mother's life? At that point, what purpose does the death of the fetus serve?

I'll simply link to this woman's blog. Luckily for her, she had a doctor willing to place her life above that of her fetus.

Uppercase Woman: How I Became the Internet Poster Girl for Partial Birth Abortion

And her story is not unique in any way, shape or form.

ETA: I see ratmist has beat me to the punch.
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I will say this; I've read Cecily's blog since before she was pregnant with the boys. I read along with her pregnancy fears and worries and when we found out the first twin died, I cried. When I found out she had to have a LTA or die, I sobbed. I read her grief and pain afterwards. And seeing her with her daughter now always puts a smile on my face.

Her life was saved because she had a doctor that valued her life. Based on recent Supreme Court decisions, it has become appalling clear to me that should I ever be in need a LTA, my life means nothing; I am merely the incubator for the ever-important fetus.

More and more, I feel like there is no place in this country for me.
 

elegant-one

Well-known member
Quote:
Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
Some more Palin related news.

All I can say is Holy Cow! This proves my earlier point...you can't discuss anything or even find common ground to work out problems because of this type of ignorance.
 
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