Small rant: The Beauty Review Bandwagon

RedRibbon

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I don't get anything for free and all the reviews on my blog are honest. I've got stuff I like and don't like on there. I can't see myself lying and saying something is good when it's crap. I can understand the point made above about not wanting to say anything bad in case free stuff dries up. If you ask me, if you're out to get as much free stuff as you can and lie so other people go and waste their money then you have no place doing reviews because you're not doing a review, you're just paying lip service.
 

Face2Mac

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I have taken to just listening to opinions on MAC. Because MAC is not sending out all that much product to youtube, they don't have to, so buy it with your own money.

I think the rest are getting ridiculous and I can honestly say, I saw it coming. The partnership started and that started a competition and yay, I can get paid at the same time. So now ev1 wants to be a partner, good for them, though. But before that, little things were being sent like Jessie girl products, mineral products but without paying for them. I say wait a few weeks and see if they use the products again, that will tell you if they like them or not.

Also, I have surmised that some people now come on with a new product to sell and then they disappear for 2-3 weeks until a next new freebie needs hyping.

But I do love the yt gurus but now I am trying to find new ones who I know aren't getting a freebie with every purchase and are still doing it for the love of makeup, not a infomercial.
 

Shimmer

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You can tell when a reviewer doesn't like a product because s/he resorts to more of the press release information than her own opinion. To a point, in order to keep the PR companies sending product for review, there has to be a little bit of fellating.

But, most of the time, if someone doesn't like it, they'll give a lackluster review.
I've been sent product that I don't like...and generally, I don't review it, and let them know why. =/
 

Willa

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
You can tell when a reviewer doesn't like a product because s/he resorts to more of the press release information than her own opinion. To a point, in order to keep the Page Ranking companies sending product for review, there has to be a little bit of fellating.

But, most of the time, if someone doesn't like it, they'll give a lackluster review.
I've been sent product that I don't like...and generally, I don't review it, and let them know why. =/


And IMO, it's the right thing to do
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Same kind of thing happened last winter when I took a class
I wanted more informations about photo and tv makeup
I left after 5 class I think, anyway, not because of this reason especially but a combination of annoying and unprofessionnal behaviors from the teacher.

One day she came in saying MAC approached her with giving her a whole new kit to work if she stopped working with her other things. She said yes! So, even tho she prefered some other companies, they now were outdated to her and not good enough

COME. ON.
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LeeleeBell

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Originally Posted by Face2Mac
I have taken to just listening to opinions on MAC. Because MAC is not sending out all that much product to youtube, they don't have to, so buy it with your own money.

MAC does send a lot of free stuff out to MUA's/make up pro's...That's actually a big problem for some freelancers out there, and those who like to use their
own favorite brands etc (MAC is everywhere...sends out free makeup and artists to events etc to promote their brand). But at least with MAC many/most people can swatch it for ourselves in person and know if we agree or not. I have seen a lot of over-hyping for MAC products in vids and blogs too...that I definitely didn't agree with when I tried the product for myself....
 

chocolategoddes

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LOL! This is all so true.

I think it probably started with Coastal Scents and other brands took notice.
These companies always send the products to the bigger name youtubers, just so they can get exposure... not for the youtuber to give an honest review. I guess it's a smart move on the company's part, but it does get a little suspicious.

so yeah, I pretty much agree with all of what y'all have said!
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LeeleeBell

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Originally Posted by chocolategoddes
LOL! This is all so true.

I think it probably started with Coastal Scents and other brands took notice.
These companies always send the products to the bigger name youtubers, just so they can get exposure... not for the youtuber to give an honest review. I guess it's a smart move on the company's part, but it does get a little suspicious.

so yeah, I pretty much agree with all of what y'all have said!
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Speaking of which...am I the only one who isn't wild and crazy in love with those ebay/coastal scents palettes? I got the 88 original palette and a neutral palette..The payoff on the color is mediocre *at best*. Sure they were cheap, but you know what? I hardly use them. I wish there had been some really honest reviewers out there who said "eh. not sure I love them. I sort of like a few of them"....

Every review I read (and I researched) was uber-positive. Again the power of hype is just amazing...
 

gildedangel

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To answer the original question, I am getting bored with every guru review the same freaking products over and over again. :/
I don't have a problem with gurus getting sent free stuff, it is when they don't review honestly that bothers me. Sometimes you can tell when they are lying. If I were sent stuff, I would warn the company that I would review it no matter what, be it a good review or a bad review. If I like the product, but there is some aspect that I don't like; I tell you. I completely understand gigiopolis's point about weeding out not reviewing the products that you don't like, but IMO if a company is willing to send me a free product, I expect it to work well and if it doesn't I am going to tell my viewers. But then again I am a b*tch like that, it may not be what most people would do.
I also don't base my purchases solely on youtube, I search here on specktra and on makeupalley too. I think that perhaps some people don't follow the mantra "buyer beware" and just go out and buy everything that their guru thinks is awesome, and that saddens me because not everyone is ever going to like a single product. No product works for everyone, so to base a purchase on one review on youtube is asking for trouble IMO.
 

TISH1124

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LeeleeBell, I like the 88 palette....But the neutral palette was not so great for me...I mean only about 10 of the 28 colors I would actually use.....
 

Willa

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Originally Posted by LeeleeBell
Speaking of which...am I the only one who isn't wild and crazy in love with those ebay/coastal scents palettes? I got the 88 original palette and a neutral palette..The payoff on the color is mediocre *at best*. Sure they were cheap, but you know what? I hardly use them. I wish there had been some really honest reviewers out there who said "eh. not sure I love them. I sort of like a few of them"....

Every review I read (and I researched) was uber-positive. Again the power of hype is just amazing...


True, I tried it twice on photoshoot events I had and each time I was disapointed. The blush palettes are kinda nice... but the e/s, no thanks.
It's like chalk, and the color isnt very nice at the end. Doesnt blend well.
 

LeeleeBell

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Originally Posted by gildedangel
I also don't base my purchases solely on youtube, I search here on specktra and on makeupalley too. I think that perhaps some people don't follow the mantra "buyer beware" and just go out and buy everything that their guru thinks is awesome, and that saddens me because not everyone is ever going to like a single product. No product works for everyone, so to base a purchase on one review on youtube is asking for trouble IMO.

I am the same way...careful about what I buy. I have to say though, that I hadn't really been into make up for like 10-15 years and went online to find what was out there. People just "hyped" so well...I thought,"wow that sounds amazing...my pores are really large right now, I need to get some of that pore perfector". Bought it and it dried me out and didn't work. It has worked for others and just not for me. That's cool, I get it. A skin product won't work the same for everyone...

With brushes or shadows or lipsticks...it's not the same. The texture/softness/payoff etc is usually pretty consistent for people. That said, I don't expect to agree with all reviews. I do expect to see a *variety* of experiences/reviews from different people though...but 9 times out of 10 on youtube and blogs, it is all hype and the same review over and over again.

I try to research anything before I buy...I look for swatches and reviews here at Specktra and MUG. But for some of the products that aren't available in stores for example...that are only known about thanks to freebies sent to gurus and bloggers...You have to trust the "word" of someone else. I basically don't have that same level of trust anymore thanks to so much hype....

ETA:
I do want to add something: I am very grateful for the product reviews by specktra members, mugs, bloggers, gurus. Without them I never would have found Sleek eyeshadows, which I love and use daily lol. And there are SO many other products I have learned about, as well as helpful tips and tricks I've learned from this forum and others...Tea Tree oil for zits is the latest miracle for me lol...I don't want to sound ungrateful or like I am a negative nilly... Just speaking about a current trend that's been disappointing me.
 

user79

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Some things I want to clarify, not because I feel personally attacked at all, but more because I like being a part of the YT community and feel like I should try to highlight a few things from the other perspective. Most of the comments I've read are coming from people not involved in the video making process, so I just want to highlight some things from the other side of the coin. I do feel that overall, there are some pretty exaggerated statements thus far.

1. All "popular" or widely read/viewed bloggers and vloggers get sent free products from companies. This isn't some new phenomenon only in the YT community - bloggers get free products too. The reason that people are talking more about this now is that on YT a product review video might get 100,000 views, whereas a blog entry might only get 1000 or so. So YT has a much wider audience than traditional blogs, I would wager.

2. Bloggers/Vloggers/businesses exist in a symbiotic relationship. Bloggers and Vloggers are often expected and requested by their audience to review the latest makeup trends, collections, or new products. That's what the audience wants to see - new stuff, not many people want to see a review on a collection that was released 5 years ago. That's just how it is. The cost of being able to do that though is staggering - something most v/bloggers wouldn't be able to afford unless they are rich. So if you want to keep up with the new items coming on the market, it's almost necessary to work together with public relations people from makeup lines. The cost of producing makeup videos is actually pretty high - I am constantly replacing products I've run out of, or having to buy very specific products to do looks. These are products I purchase specifically for my YT audience, products I would not be buying if I wasn't involved in making makeup videos. Which is fine, I like doing it! But working together with a company makes it easier because it means I can continue to do so without going completely broke. Most YTers still purchase or purchased the majority of their products anyway. I'd say about 90% of the products I have in my collection that I use for videos, I bought myself.

3. Just because a company sends free product does not guarantee a feature, or a review on YT - at least on my channel. I have enough makeup to last me a lifetime, I really don't need another eyeshadow or lipstick. So what is the reason behind doing a video on a product you hate, just to get sent more free stuff? Personally, I don't see the appeal there. I'm actually trying to reduce my collection because of storage issues. If I was sent a free product from a small company just starting out - for example a mineral makeup line - and I absolutely didn't like it, I just won't use the products and won't do a review. Now some people ask why I wouldn't say in a video that I hated the product? Is it because I'm worried about not getting sent free products in the future? No. Public relations people rarely look at past videos you have done for other companies, at least that's been my experience. The reason I wouldn't is because I realize that I have a huge audience, and my bad review could lead a start-up company into huge financial losses. I don't think that's fair to the company because I don't want one person's influential opinion to potentially ruin a company. Someone else might love the product, who would otherwise have been turned off by my review. These companies are obviously looking for more exposure and a positive review - we are aware of that. But I just don't see it as fair to slam a company's products if they are just trying to get the word out there. Often these are smaller family-run business or start-ups that do not have the budget to launch more "professional" campaigns like MAC or L'Oreal or whatever, so YT might be the only way they can get exposure. If I say something bad about MAC, chances are, it won't have much of an effect on MAC anyway because it's a huge worldwide company and probably only a tiny sliver of their potential customers watch YT. So, I think it's a fair resolution to just deny them that exposure on my channel if their product is not to my liking. I personally have many products that I've given away to friends and family because I have no use for them, and never featured them on my channel.

4. If a product is sent that really is great and deserves recognition - what's so bad on doing a video on it? Usually the title of a video is self-explanatory. If you're subbed to many of the "top gurus" and have already seen 1 or 2 videos reviewing the same brand (Sigma was the one mentioned) then why click on a 3rd video reviewing that same product? No one is forcing anyone to watch. And while you may have already seen a few reviews on that product, many others might not. Same principle applies to MUA - some products have thousands of reviews, doesn't mean you have to read them all, and you probably wouldn't. The vlogger might just be honestly excited about the product or brand, and wants to share his or her views with the audience. Rarely, if ever, are gurus paid for these videos featuring products.

5. Someone mentioned YTers not using products again they reviewed. That is a fair point, but you have to remember that many of us have vast makeup collections, including some faves we reach for all the time, just like anyone else. I've done videos with products that I genuinely love, and haven't used them in a 2nd video yet because maybe the color was so bold, or I just have so many other products to go through that I just haven't had the opportunity to use it again in a video. That doesn't mean we don't use the product again in our private lives. I'm sure many other YTers are in the same boat. I can say for the OCC lip tars which I genuinely love, I've worn NSFW many times in my private life and would repurchase if I ran out - but I've not used that exact color in a second video because I literally have so many products I can always switch it up.

6. Lastly, someone mentioned that YT should be a place to get ideas and to hear about new products, and I totally agree. I like to look at lots of different sources before I make a purchase decision, be it YT, MUA, Specktra or elsewhere. I never expect or want my viewers to only listen to my opinion and then - without doing any additional research - purchase a product I recommended on a whim. Chances are, they won't like it - it might not be right for them or their needs. But again, it's not a Vloggers responsibility to do all the research for viewers - videos are great to get product reviews and ideas, but ultimately the viewer has to decide for herself what she wants to purchase or skip over. I think some people are just getting lazy, and don't want to put in the effort to research a product a little bit before and get second opinions, and expect Vloggers to do everything for them. I try to incorporate pros and cons into my reviews if I feel there are certain cons that need to be addressed - for example with all those "Coastal Scents" type of palettes. But the fact is, you can't please everyone. If I review CS some people complain they are not good quality (even though they are so cheap), when I use Illamasqua others complain the products are too expensive. It's really impossible sometimes to please everyone.


I hope that helped to illuminate some of the issues at play here. I do feel that vloggers are sometimes used as scapegoats which is a bit unfair - most of us are just in this for fun, and to share our love of makeup with like minded people. If we were in this for money from YT Partnerships, you'd get richer investing the allotted time in a second job, rather than spending countless hours producing videos.
 

LeeleeBell

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4. If a product is sent that really is great and deserves recognition - what's so bad on doing a video on it? Usually the title of a video is self-explanatory. If you're subbed to many of the "top gurus" and have already seen 1 or 2 videos reviewing the same brand (Sigma was the one mentioned) then why click on a 3rd video reviewing that same product? No one is forcing anyone to watch. And while you may have already seen a few reviews on that product, many others might not. Same principle applies to MUA - some products have thousands of reviews, doesn't mean you have to read them all, and you probably wouldn't. The vlogger might just be honestly excited about the product or brand, and wants to share his or her views with the audience. Rarely, if ever, are gurus paid for these videos featuring products.

I am ever optimistic that each review might give me a different perspective or opinion...that's twhat I meant in posting this. I end up watching different reviews or going to different sites and (a) they are all reviewing the same products (is that all there is out there, hmmm) and (b) they are all saying the same things, the same way. I keep thinking I will get a different POV or new info, only to end up seeing the same review over and over. I can't help but become skeptical and annoyed.... It is more than a little redundant. It's not just 1 or 2 people doing the same review...It's like every person you watch and every blog you read. The hype is everywhere. It becomes one big infomercial for some products, so it's easy to guess where the freebies are coming from.

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6. Lastly, someone mentioned that YT should be a place to get ideas and to hear about new products, and I totally agree. I like to look at lots of different sources before I make a purchase decision, be it YT, MUA, Specktra or elsewhere. I never expect or want my viewers to only listen to my opinion and then - without doing any additional research - purchase a product I recommended on a whim.

With the example of the 88 palette or the OCC liptars or even Sigma brushes...they aren't available in stores. So we go on your word, and the word of other gurus and bloggers who have been sent the products to "try out". I respect and understand that we all have different tastes/expectations and what you might like I may not...really I do get that. But say you gave it a good review. And then 10 or 20 other reviewers did too...and some of them suggest these products are the best thing since sliced bread...It becomes like "wow that must be really amazing stuff, I've GOT to try it". That's where the hype really grabs at people and gets them to purchase stuff/try stuff that ends up being....less than great in some eyes. It's not that anyone was "lying" but the power of hype, without criticism (I know you do insert criticism but a lot of other reviewers don't)...really misleads people. I have learned my lesson of course...but I am just saying that despite your efforts to be honest, things do end up getting overhyped because *everyone* seems to be repeating the same review. I just wish more people would stop and check it out and say "ok 4 other youtubers/bloggers have already reviewed it. I'll just skip this review")

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I try to incorporate pros and cons into my reviews if I feel there are certain cons that need to be addressed - for example with all those "Coastal Scents" type of palettes. But the fact is, you can't please everyone. If I review CS some people complain they are not good quality (even though they are so cheap), when I use Illamasqua others complain the products are too expensive. It's really impossible sometimes to please everyone.

I think the key is to a balance/equal reviews of both and to keep objectivity in there. I know you do that. Again, I think the biggest issue is just people repeating glowing reviews that have already been done 4 times before, and not adding any new info....I think the people with the wider audiences are usually the first to do the reviews and that's great. But why are there 20 copycats after the fact? I have to think it's probably because they're trying to get free stuff.
 

L1LMAMAJ

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their reviews may very well be biased if they got the product for free. suddenly a 5/10 product becomes 8/10. i'm not saying they do this on purpose. the fact that they got it for free is in their subconscious and it affects their real thoughts on the products. i agree with OP.
 

NernersHuman

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If I see another damn review for that Huge Lips Skinny Hips (the premise of which I find so profoundly offensive I'm not even going to elaborate or there will be curse words) I will run amok.

And sadly, I have to admit that after all the nightmare stories I have heard, everytime I see ANOTHER guru shilling for beautychoice.com, I lose a tiny bit of respect for them.
 

RedRibbon

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Originally Posted by NernersHuman
If I see another damn review for that Huge Lips Skinny Hips (the premise of which I find so profoundly offensive I'm not even going to elaborate or there will be curse words) I will run amok.

And sadly, I have to admit that after all the nightmare stories I have heard, everytime I see ANOTHER guru shilling for beautychoice.com, I lose a tiny bit of respect for them.


I just searched for that gloss on Google and I too am offended by it. I wasn't aware that you had to have a small waist to have plumped lips. Had I not seen the review I saw on youtube as a result of searching, I would have assumed that it was just a rhyming name.
 

User27

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Originally Posted by LeeleeBell
I am ever optimistic that each review might give me a different perspective or opinion...that's twhat I meant in posting this.

You are my hero for having the nerve to post this. Various people that are thanked by me in this thread match exactly what I feel regarding youtube and various gurus. When that Beauty Factory palette and Coastal Scents palette craze kicked off, I said screw youtube for the most part after getting fed up seeing reviews always hyping them. I know I'm still subscribed to panacea, Enkore, Resha and a couple lower known people who take risks make up wise that I admire but have unsubscribed from at least 15 gurus within a few months. I didn't look back and look at websites such as Specktra, MUA and reviews that I know I can take as honest because there was nothing gained nor motive.

To the people that receive the items from companies, more power to you. To the people like me that believed some of it, damn we were the asses that wasted the money. I have the 120 Manly palette that is the same as Beauty Factory because I believed the hype but still have yet to find out whether it contains safe ingredients or has been accurately tested....I will say I did 7 swatches for a friend and immediately washed my arm and let her know I didn't know the product safety stats and told her I was still afraid to use mine because as a friend I don't want to subject her to lead poisoning or something down the line if that proves the case. When I know it's been tested, than I will break it out but not until there's an official release of ingredients. Yay youtube hype for helping me make a purchase based on the must have of the season but I'm still terrified to break it in. Those palettes originate from China and Hong Kong and some articles in the past have been not so colorful regarding their factories and their safety so I'm looking out for me when I jumped too quick.

I'm glad it was cheap or I'd be annoyed but it sucks because their color payoff looked amazing swatch-wise but I need to know I'll be safe after long term exposure. I'm fed up with the product fanaticism and the shrines established to such messes but eh, I opted to quit relying on youtube past sxephil and my faves. I'll get heat for this but I did start buying Stila products based off of Shimmer's blogs but have seen amazing results with even their eye concealer so there's an opinion that changed my mind. Thanks for the honesty because I was sleeping on some decent products and personally thank you because I had seen it a hundred times before but never saw the effects. Specktra has saved me a lot spending wise compared to where I used to be because of leaping at youtube so thanks to Specktra.
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TISH1124

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^^ Sorry girl I didn't have time to read all that...I am busy watching all the BitchSlap reviews.... Maybe later
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j/k I did read it....
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