The devil is in the...big box retailer?

Tash

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Did I at any point say that the majority of them were like that? No.

It just really seems to me that either a) you're just in the mood to argue or b) you've got some sort of bitter vendetta against the business. Either way, my opinion and experiences are just as valid as yours or anyone else's.

Oh, and just as a quick edit. I've talked to and have known numerous people who have worked at Walmarts throughout the country and Canada, and all of them loved working there.
 

Beauty Mark

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Shimmer and I probably haven't lived in the same states (you've been a Southerner most of your life, haven't you?), and I've known people who work at Wal-Mart who've had similar stories.

I generally take chain stores on a store by store basis. I want to like Wal-Mart, because I think it's cool they hire older people and mentally retarded people to greet and do other work. However, I've heard too many stories about them screwing people over.
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
Shimmer and I probably haven't lived in the same states (you've been a Southerner most of your life, haven't you?), and I've known people who work at Wal-Mart who've had similar stories.

I generally take chain stores on a store by store basis. I want to like Wal-Mart, because I think it's cool they hire older people and mentally retarded people to greet and do other work. However, I've heard too many stories about them screwing people over.


Texas to Georgia / South Carolina and back.
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No, Tash, I'm not necessarily in the mood to argue or anything like that, but when the facts are there, I'm not going to ignore them.
People do have good experiences working for walmart. I've just never met or seen any.
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Kimberleigh

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I cannot say this with any more emphasis: WATCH THE DOCUMENTARY. See some of your "peers" discuss their experiences. Just because *you* personally (and apparently everybody you know who ever worked for Wal-Mart) had a pleasant experience a bunch of people, enough to have a class action lawsuit against them, have not.
 

Tash

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Originally Posted by Kimberleigh
I cannot say this with any more emphasis: WATCH THE DOCUMENTARY. See some of your "peers" discuss their experiences. Just because *you* personally (and apparently everybody you know who ever worked for Wal-Mart) had a pleasant experience a bunch of people, enough to have a class action lawsuit against them, have not.

From what I'm seeing, the class action lawsuit has to do with sexual discrimination. And pretty much every large company has had class action lawsuits filed against them at some point during their life so that's not anything unusual.

I am surprised about the bad experiences at Walmarts in South Carolina. I know probably 10+ people that work at various Walmarts in between Augusta, GA all the way to Columbia/Lexington area and they love their jobs.

But, everyone has different experiences at different Walmarts. Depends on the management at each location.
 

Kimberleigh

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Yeah, no, not just sexual discrimination...swiped from:
http://www.walmartmovie.com/facts.php

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$50 MILLION to settle an off-the-clock class action suit in Colorado

In 2000, "Wal-Mart paid $50 million to settle a class-action suit that asserted that 69,000 current and former Wal-Mart employees in Colorado had worked off the clock."
Source: Steven Greenhouse, "Suits Say Wal-Mart Workers Forced To Toil Off The Clock," New York Times, June 25, 2002 [reprinted via Common Dreams]
In Texas it is estimated that they cheated workers out of up to one hundred and fifty million dollars in unpaid wages

"In a recently certified class-action suit in Texas on behalf of more than 200,000 current and former Wal-Mart workers, statisticians estimate that the company underpaid its Texas workers by $150 million over four years by not paying them for the many times they worked during their daily 15-minute breaks. That $150 million estimate does not include other types of unpaid work. The statisticians, who analyzed time records from 12 Wal-Mart stores, found that the Texas employees averaged at least one hour of unpaid work each week from working through breaks."
Source: Steven Greenhouse, "Suits Say Wal-Mart Workers Forced To Toil Off The Clock," New York Times, June 25, 2002 [reprinted via Common Dreams]
Wal-Mart Managers delete time from workers' timecards

In Massachusetts, "a Middlesex court judge has put his imprimatur on a suit alleging the retail giant failed to pay employees for time worked and neglected to give them meal and rest breaks, the Herald has learned. The eight-page ruling by Superior Court Judge Ernest B. Murphy cites an affidavit by a computer expert hired by the plaintiffs. The expert allegedly found 7,000 instances during a one-year period when Wal-Mart managers deleted large blocks of time from their employee payroll records."
Source: John Strahinich, "Judge OKs Employee Lawsuit Against Wal-Mart," Boston Herald, January 7, 2005.


Meanwhile, in California, a class-action lawsuit potentially involving up to 215,000 current and former Wal-Mart and Sam's Club employees "charges that Wal-Mart, based in Bentonville, Ark., deleted thousands of hours of time worked from employees' payroll records by erasing overtime hours and by penalizing employees who forgot to punch in after their meal breaks by denying them pay for the remainder of those days."
Source: "Alameda County Suit Alleges Wal-Mart Cheated Workers," Bay City News, January 20, 2005.


Wal-Mart currently faces lawsuits in thirty-one different States for wage and hour abuses potentially involving hundreds of thousand workers.

Wal-Mart Wage and Hour "Off the Clock" Class Actions:
Adcox v. WM, US Dist. Ct. ("USDC"), Southern Dist. of TX, 11/9/04;
Armijo v. WM, 1st Judicial Dist. Ct., Rio Arriba County, NM, 9/18/00;
Bailey v. WM, Marion County Superior Ct. IN, 8/17/00;
Barnett v. WM, Superior Ct. of WA, King County, 9/10/01;
Basco v. WM, USDC, Eastern Dist. of LA, 9/5/00;
Braun v. WM, 1st Judicial Dist. Ct. Dakota County MN, 9/12/01;
Braun v. WM, Ct. of Common Pleas, Philadelphia County, PA, 3/20/02;
Brown v. WM, 14th Judicial Circuit Ct., Rock Island, IL, 6/20/01;
Carr v. WM, Superior Ct. of Fulton County, GA, 8/14/01;
Culver v. WM, USDC, Dist. of CO, 12/10/1996;
Carter v. WM, Ct. of Common Pleas, Colleton County, SC, 7/31/02;
Gamble v. WM, Supreme Ct. of the State of NY, County of Albany, 12/7/01;
Gross v. WM, Circuit Ct., Laurel County, KY, 9/29/04;
Hale v. WM, Circuit Ct., Jackson County, MO, 8/15/01;
Hall v. WM, 8th Judicial Dist. Ct., Clark County, NV, 9/9/99;
Harrison v. WM, Superior Ct. of Forsyth County, NC, 11/29/00;
Holcomb v. WM, State Ct. of Chatham County, GA, 3/28/00;
Hummel v. WM, Common Pleas Ct. of Philadelphia County, PA, 8/30/04;
Iliadis v. WM, Superior Ct. of NJ, Middlesex County, 5/30/02;
Kuhlmann (In Re: Wal-Mart Employee Litigation) v. WM, Circuit Ct., Milwaukee County, WI, 8/30/01;
Lerma v. WM, Dist. Ct., Cleveland County, OK, 8/31/01;
Lopez v. WM, 23rd Judicial Dist. Ct. of Brazoria County, TX, 6/23/00;
Mendoza v. WM, Superior Ct. of CA, Ventura County, 3/2/04;
Michell v. WM, USDC, Eastern Dist. of TX, Marshall Div., 9/13/02;
Montgomery v. WM, USDC, Southern Dist. of MS, 12/30/02;
Mussman v. WM, IA Dist. Ct., Clinton County, 6/5/01;
Nagy v. WM, Circuit Ct. of Boyd County, KY, 8/29/01;
Newland v. WM, Superior Ct. of CA, Alameda County, CA, 01/14/05;
Osuna v. WM, Superior Ct. of AZ, Pima County, 11/30/01;
Pickett v. WM, Circuit Court, Shelby County, TN, 10/22/03;
Pittman v. WM, Circuit Ct. for Prince George's County, MD, 7/31/02;
Robinson v. WM, Circuit Ct., Holmes County, MS, 12/30/02;
Sago v. WM, Circuit Ct., Holmes County, MS, 12/31/02;
Romero v. WM, Superior Ct. of CA, Monterey County, 03/25/04;
Salvas v. WM, Superior Ct., Middlesex County, MA, 8/21/01;
Sarda v. WM, Circuit Ct., Washington County, FL, 9/21/01;
Savaglio v. WM, Superior Ct. of CA, Alameda County, 2/6/01;
Scott v. WM, Circuit Ct. of Saginaw County, MI, 9/26/01;
Smith v. WM, Circuit Ct., Holmes County, MS, 12/31/02;
Thiebes v. WM, USDC, Dist. of OR, 6/30/98;
Willey v. WM, Dist. Ct. of Wyandotte County, KS, 9/21/01;
Williams v. WM, Superior Ct. of CA, Alameda County, 3/23/04;
Wilson v. WM, Common Pleas Ct. of Butler County, OH, 10/27/03;
Winters v. WM, Circuit Ct., Holmes County, MS, 5/28/02.
Source: Wal-Mart Stores 10K Filing, March 31, 2005, Pg. 16, Item 3.
 

giz2000

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I used to work for Walmarts Employee Assistance Program...I received calls from employees all over the country...all I ever heard from them was how HORRIBLE the working conditions there were....how they were never given enough hours to qualify for benefits...how they were made to work off the clock....how the managers harrassed them (sexually and otherwise), and quite coincidentally (or maybe not) most of the employees I spoke to were Hispanic immigrants...and some didn't have papers...
 

Aevalin

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Originally Posted by Tash
Michael Moore is for lack of better words, a moron. I lost all respect for him after "Bowling for Columbine."

Universal healthcare reminds me very much of a socialist government, which is why I love America. I'm sorry, but I shouldn't have to pay for your medical care. I bust my ASS for my money, so why should I have to give it to other people? Jobs that offer some kind of insurance aren't that hard to find. Hell, these days a lot of places offer insurance, even Walmart.


I dunno - I'm kind of fond of it.

Mind you it's not perfect up here in the swelteringfreakinghotnotsowhite North as far as health care goes, but I'd take it over having nothing to fall back on.
 

Tash

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If employees are being forced to work off the clock, that's news to me. It was a BIG deal at our Walmart if anyone did so. You could and they did fire people for it because they can get into big trouble for it.
 

RoseMe

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How did this discussion from 1/2 second of universal health insurance move to Walmart? Tash I sincerely hope neither you or anybody you love will ever get sick or injured without insurance.
 

Shimmer

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I moved it because it's a wholly different yet entirely interesting discussion worthy of its own thread.
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Tash

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Originally Posted by RoseMe
How did this discussion from 1/2 second of universal health insurance move to Walmart? Tash I sincerely hope neither you or anybody you love will ever get sick or injured without insurance.

I won't because I'll always make sure I have it. My whole family feels this way. I haven't went a day without insurance in almost 25 years and don't even plan on it.
 

frocher

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Originally Posted by Tash
I won't because I'll always make sure I have it. My whole family feels this way. I haven't went a day without insurance in almost 25 years and don't even plan on it.


That is the point Tash, no one plans on it. I won't go much further into it because this belongs in another thread. But there have been instances of people like you who work for a living that have become gravely ill; and have been dropped by their medical carriers because they cost them too much money. Or they are not able to work enough hours to pick up the most basic coverage to get their children vaccinated, etc. Or people who have become too sick to work and are no longer covered.

To state you don't plan on getting screwed doesn't make much sense to me. Sure you can plan on that, doesn't mean it will happen that way.
 

MisStarrlight

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Originally Posted by Tash
I won't because I'll always make sure I have it. My whole family feels this way. I haven't went a day without insurance in almost 25 years and don't even plan on it.

You're kidding, right? I haven't had health insurance since I graduated college & I cross my fingers every day that I don't get sick/injured. It's not something I planned on...and it gives me panic attacks all the time. I make too much money to get any sort of assistance (not that my pride would let me unless it got really bad), but I don't make enough (after paying my bills) to be able to afford any sort of private insurance....and well, as much as everyone raves about my job, they have cut all but 2 of my stores' full time positions (from 5) over the past 6 months-every time I am in line to move up 6 hours to that full time position something happens & it disappears.

It's a bit different since it's just me & I don't have kids, but you bet your ass that I would be swallowing my pride & go on public assistance (but then again, I guarentee that I would have put my dream aside & gotten a better job for my kids, but that's another topic)

I'm not really an advocate for an entirely socialist-esque health care system...If running properly, I don't think that our current system is all that bad. But then again, I live in NY where we have things like Family Health Plus that makes healthcare a ton more accessable...I feel like all states should have some sort of system like ours. We all pay for it a bit, but our taxes are not outrageous like Canada's or something.


(edit...I've never actually seen the Michael Moore movie, nor do I really care to, that's just what I've figured out about health care)
 

lara

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Originally Posted by Aevalin
I dunno - I'm kind of fond of it.

Mind you it's not perfect up here in the swelteringfreakinghotnotsowhite North as far as health care goes, but I'd take it over having nothing to fall back on.


From someone in another universal healthcare/universal education country - I'm right there with you. It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's nice to know that no matter your situation, you always have gratis care available to you in one form or another.
 

Kimberleigh

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Originally Posted by Ladybug10678
Penn and Teller's Bullshit episode from this season on Walmart is something else everyone should check out.

I've seen it, but it's still hard to dispute the number of lawsuits and the unhappiness of the employees. My problem with the documentary that they went after on Bullshit and the documentary for that matter is that it's one sided...both of them. It would be a nice comparison to see Wal-Mart up against Target on some of the complaints that both BS and the documentary cover. For all I, or anybody else know(s), Target could have just as many problems as Wal-Mart...but when I drive by the empty run-down Wal-mart in my beautiful college town to less than a block away to the Super Wal-Mart that they built on new green land, it's hard to have any sympathy for this company.
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Shimmer

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Originally Posted by Tash
I won't because I'll always make sure I have it. My whole family feels this way. I haven't went a day without insurance in almost 25 years and don't even plan on it.

When you are single and fired from your job or let go and your insurance was provided by your employer, and you get told, yes, you can go on COBRA. It'll cost you $900 a month to be on COBRA and your payments are due XXX date of the month...but you haven't found a job yet and you're struggling to find one and you're too old to be on your mom and dad's insurance...
All of a sudden that plan goes right out the window.
 

Beauty Mark

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I don't think anyone honestly plans on going without insurance. You'd be pretty dumb to.

You might choose to go without it if times get rough (insurance vs. rent and food), but I don't think most people are planning on going without insurance.
 

MiCHiE

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Exactly. Case in point, I was a victim of Katrina. I worked at a hotel in New Orleans. The hotel sustained damage and was shut down. I was laid off 5 months after the storm. Luckily, I had another job in Dallas and was offered benefits, but I'm sure others weren't so lucky. You just never know where the road will go sometimes.
 
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