Tomb of Jesus- Found? Not Found?

[Hawkeye]

This special is fascinating me. It's coming on at 9:00 Tonight- the special.

So do you think Jesus' bones have indeed been found? Or do you believe they haven't? Or does it really not matter to you?

I've been following closely and even though they say they found it - I think it's more of a thing- they have found someone similar but it's not HIS tomb. And they are really looking and banking on the fact (from what I hear- remember I haven't seen the special yet) that Mary Magadeline and Jesus were indeed married. They can't do DNA tests with her though because they weren't blood related.

SO that's something I'm noticing.
http://www.theeagle.com/stories/0304...0070304043.php
http://www.southbendtribune.com/apps...ws01/703040354

Now that being said-
I've hinted on my own opinion that they have not found "THE" Jesus tomb. We have to remember back then Jesus was a very common name-much like our John, Pauls, Marks, Matthews, Cindy, Mary, etc etc.

So I think they may have found a tomb with someone in there named Jesus and it just has them very excited but I do not think it is HIS tomb.

But if it does wind up being HIS tomb that would be very exciting because we would know that this man that Christians have revered so long was a living human being. Sure a lot of people will get upset but at the same time it would be good.

All in all I have to say that I don't think it's really going to be a " OH MY GOD WE FOUND THE LOST TOMB OF JESUS!" I think the special tonight is going to be pure speculation. I've been very annoyed with the documentaries on the Discovery channel of such dramatic claimes because when they have done it they last one I saw was the Christopher Columbus, They didn't answer any questions they just had a debate. Very dissappointing.

But anyway-
what are your thoughts?

 

[Beauty Mark]

I have my doubts that much of the biblical stuff people look for will ever be found or proven to be the actual whatever it is they're looking for. I believe that most of the things in the Bible happened in some form, but I think it's almost impossible to prove any of the items. I think a lot of the documentation in the Bible is spotty and there isn't really anything available to prove things scientifically.

However, I do think it's really cool when people find ancient items.

 

[Raerae]

Even if it is the legitimate tomb of Jesus, there will never bee enough proof. People who believe in the catholic faith will deny it, because finding the tomb of Jesus, opens up way to many questions that those in power of these religions do not want to have to answer.

Personally, I believe there is and has been plenty of evidence found over hundred/thousands of years. However, it was taken by the churches and eigther sealed in the vaults under the vatican, or destroyed.

Faith exists because you believe in that which cannot be proved. Finding proof causes people to question their faith. And if people begin to question their faith, the church loses power. Not that they have as much power as they once did. But faith is still as big part of politics and govenments, even in the modern world. Organized religion is big buiness.

 

[macslut]

Just about every major scholar and archeologist who specializes in all things Biblical are laughing. There is a couple of million to one chance that it is Jesus and Mary. Not exactly great odds. This is based on "Well this may have happened...and then this could have happened...and then this is real" Oh, and they didn't find bones. They found a sacaphagus with his name on it. It has been said, Jesus was an extrodinarily popular name as was Mary which was given to about a quarter of the women at that time. I don't see this as something that is going to make anyone question thier faith...same with Dan Brown. I am not a big fan of conspiracy theories anyway.

It seems that the only one who didn't get the memo that everyone is snickering is Cameron himself. I am just wondering why anyone is giving the time of day to this sort of wishful thinking. We are in a war. Lets get back to what is important.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by macslut Just about every major scholar and archeologist who specializes in all things Biblical are laughing. There is a couple of million to one chance that it is Jesus and Mary. Not exactly great odds. This is based on "Well this may have happened...and then this could have happened...and then this is real" Oh, and they didn't find bones. They found a sacaphagus with his name on it. It has been said, Jesus was an extrodinarily popular name as was Mary which was given to about a quarter of the women at that time. I don't see this as something that is going to make anyone question thier faith...same with Dan Brown. I am not a big fan of conspiracy theories anyway. It seems that the only one who didn't get the memo that everyone is snickering is Cameron himself. I am just wondering why anyone is giving the time of day to this sort of wishful thinking. We are in a war. Lets get back to what is important.

What does war have to do with this? Regardless of if it's the actual tomb or not, it's a legitimate acheological find, which sheds light on the past.

Edit: The above post is basically why I dont think it matters if it's the real tomb or not. Even if they did discover the real thing, it wont be believed by those "religious scholors" because they dont want to find the real tomb. They will always find reason after reason after reason to say why it can't be that.

 

[Shawna]

Wouldn't it be cool if they could extract Jesus's DNA and then find living relatives? I mean if it really was his tomb? Eat your heart out DaVinci code.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shawna Wouldn't it be cool if they could extract Jesus's DNA and then find living relatives? I mean if it really was his tomb? Eat your heart out DaVinci code.

How about extract his DNA, and then clone him!

Imagine what would happen then, if the "son of god" was cloned lol. I mean surley God himself would have something to say about that.

 

[MxAxC-_ATTACK]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Even if it is the legitimate tomb of Jesus, there will never bee enough proof. People who believe in the catholic faith will deny it, because finding the tomb of Jesus, opens up way to many questions that those in power of these religions do not want to have to answer. Personally, I believe there is and has been plenty of evidence found over hundred/thousands of years. However, it was taken by the churches and either sealed in the vaults under the Vatican, or destroyed. Faith exists because you believe in that which cannot be proved. Finding proof causes people to question their faith. And if people begin to question their faith, the church loses power. Not that they have as much power as they once did. But faith is still as big part of politics and governments, even in the modern world. Organized religion is big business.

I completely agree with you on this.This is all very true.

side story-
Back in 8th grade, my mom made me attend these classes (im catholic) and it was classes leading up to my confirmation , Being 13 I didnt want to be there, but my friends were there so things were ok.
I asked SOOOO many questions that I got in trouble multiple times and sent out of class. I am a very "Gimmie the facts! and why why why??" kind of person. I love me some facts I also never got ANY straight answers it was all basically "cuz i said so". Although I believe in god, heaven and hell.. I dont necessarily believe everything I was taught. Things just didnt click in my mind.

 

[caffn8me]

No credible archaeologist or academic believes that this is the tomb of Jesus. It's just a film maker who proclaims it is, no doubt to drum up publicity for his film about it. What's the betting he'll find the Ark next followed by the Holy Grail?

 

[Hawkeye]

I think he did find the ark. Didn't he say it was somewhere in Turkey on this clif or something or some mountain?

 

[glamdoll]

I dont know why people always ask for proof. I know that yeah its ok that they ask questions and its ok to be curious. but lets say that they could proof that Jesus didnt exist, or infact the bible was all a myth. I think that would cause world wide comotion.. then what would be the point of life? alot of ppl have survived accidents, depressions and many things because of faith.

and what if they find proof that Jesus did exist. that would just make all the non believers look dumb, and if they did convert to jesus itd be hypocritical that they needed proof to believe.

Idunno. to me I hope they can never find anything. I think its for the best of everyone.

but its just me.

 

[caffn8me]

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Originally Posted by glamdoll I dont know why people always ask for proof. I know that yeah its ok that they ask questions and its ok to be curious. but lets say that they could proof that Jesus didnt exist, or infact the bible was all a myth. I think that would cause world wide comotion.

I doubt it would cause anything of the sort. Lots of people simply wouldn't believe the proof, no matter how persuasive. There are those who deny the Holocaust existed inspite of irrefutable evidence to the contrary.

You also seem to forget that there are more people on this planet who believe the bible is a myth than who believe it to be true. Travel outside the USA a bit and you'll soon discover that.

Science has shown that the world wasn't created the way Genesis describes it yet there are many within the christian church who take that as absolute literal truth. The fact that Genesis has been conclusively discredited doesn't stop millions of people believing it to be true nor does it stop religious fanatics trying to push their theory in schools as though it were the truth.

As for why we need proof, I'm a scientist and that's the way we work. We look for evidence that actually supports a theory and for reproducible experiments which back it up as well. I was once heard a senior catholic priest telling a debate that fossils were animals that died in the great flood. This was a popular theory in Victorian times but I'd like to think we've moved on since then although this may be what George W himself believes. If fossils are indeed drowned animals from the great flood then how can we explain the fact that the most primitive animals are deeper down in the sediments? Simply that the most stupid animals drowned first.

As a scientist I don't buy that.

As for discovering that Jesus actually did exist, I have no problem accepting he may have been a genuine person but that does nothing to confirm that the stories written about him many years after his death which weren't from eye-witness accounts are true. It also does nothing to prove that he had special divine powers nor that god exists.

 

[Shawna]

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Originally Posted by caffn8me As for discovering that Jesus actually did exist, I have no problem accepting he may have been a genuine person but that does nothing to confirm that the stories written about him many years after his death which weren't from eye-witness accounts are true. It also does nothing to prove that he had special divine powers nor that god exists.

I'm reminded of the telephone game where one person says something to the next and so on and so on and then the original story is vastly different from the first. The people who wrote the books in the bible didn't know Jesus as a person, only as a story. If he existed.

 

[Hawkeye]

I think one of the biggest problems with christianity today is that even those that do believe in God they often overlook that science is very helpful to the belief of God.

I gotta admit-I'm a "scientist" and a Christian (though I don't act like it) but it's fascinating to me how literal people do take the bible.

One of my favorite things it that they say they world was created in 7 days- says so in Genesis but what people fail to look at is later in the Bible it does say that a day in Gods time is like a million years in our time.

Is the Bible a myth? Who knows? In all honesty, who really cares?

As Caffn8me says- no matter what is shown to people-it most certainly will not change their mind

BTW Saw the show and yeah there was no conclusive evidence drawn. It was so depressing.

 

[Beauty Mark]

There are also people who believe Elvis is out and about

There are still people who don't believe that people have gone onto the moon.

I'm personally of the belief that most things in the Bible happened, but I don't think they happened to the extent that they did. I think they can work together. One of my friends, who's highly religious (going to be a rabbi) says that the more she learns about science, the more she believes in a higher power. It has something to do with all the intricacies of science.

 

[tadzio79]

BTW Saw the show and yeah there was no conclusive evidence drawn.

I agree. it raised more questions than answers for me.
it was cool to be able to see the gravesite though.

 

[glamdoll]

well yeah maybe it wont cause a world wide comotion but to me it would. Id probably wouldnt believe it as it was mentioned.
I do know that science is nothing but facts, but to me
sometimes I rather believe that there is something more to life then what we see.
THat we are not just matter that is, and then isnt.
I like to believe that maybe after we die we go on somewhere else.
not just disapear in existance.

I dunno but raised in a catholic home this is what I like to believe.

 

[jinsy]

probably have to read up on a lot before i say science would point things towards/back to God. one christrian writer said the moon and sun and earth are the way they are, just so humans can discover Him.

 

[Tash]

I've done lots of research on this sort of thing.

The tomb isn't real. Everyone knows that. And there'd be no way to prove that it was. There's no DNA of Jesus available to compare anything to. People have said they've found Jesus' blood a million times over and all of it has been proven false. I don't doubt that Jesus is real, I just doubt 99% of what the Bible says. Someone mentioned a game of telephone. The Bible wasn't written down for centuries, and neither were the stories in it. Toss that in with the language barriers, and you have a lot of false information.

And if Jesus was proven to be just a normal person, commotion WOULD ensue. The biggest business in the world would go bankrupt. Yes, some people wouldn't believe it, but the majority of Christens, specifically Catholics, aren't as steadfast in their religion as they used to be. There would be a world uprising. Remember, more people have died in the name of religion than for anything else. Another Crusades would ensue.

 

[jenii]

Whether or not he existed as a human being has no bearing on whether or not he was divine. I believe he was just a person whose ideas were ahead of his time. I don't believe he was divine, he was just a revolutionary. No amount of evidence that he existed as a man is gonna make me believe that he was a god or something.