Tomb of Jesus- Found? Not Found?

[Life In Return]

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Originally Posted by Tash What if I don't believe in eternity. Or heaven in hell. What if I don't believe god exists at all? Oh and I don't want to go someplace I don't believe in.

I can say there's no such thing as 18 wheelers, but if I stand in the middle of the interstate, I'll still get hit. It takes a lot to believe there is no God. It takes more faith to disbelieve than to believe honestly. We didn't put ourselves here.

And as the Bible states, every eye will see Him (Revelation 1:7), so yes, one day we'll ALL stand in front of this Holy God. To some, He'll be Judge; to some, He'll be Lord.

 

[Life In Return]

No pride and no arrogance here. I'm no better than anyone else. I'm a sinner just as we ALL are. The only difference is that Christ is my redeemer and Savior. Jesus Christ and His life and His works have been proven by many ancient historians - Tacitus, Eusebius, and Josephus - and of course there's the ultimate History book or the ultimate book PERIOD - the Bible.

Most don't believe b/c that requires a change of life that means you would no longer be in control. As humans, we're born selfish and self seeking. We don't want anyone else to run things; we want to run them ourselves. Therefore we create our own gods after what we want and that god is just a figment of your imagination. However, the God I serve has total control of my life. I trust Him. I serve Him. I obey Him. And NATURALLY ? That is hard for a person to do. I give Him all credit for it; it's NOT me. It's Him working IN me.

ALL of us have broken God's Law (the 10 commandments) and truly, we deserve hell. We deserve His wrath, BUT He gave us a way to escape His wrath and to trust Him. That way is called Jesus Christ. Without Him, there is no way to know the Lord.

And yes, RaeRae, all roads do lead to God, but only one leads to Him as Savior. The rest lead to Him as Judge.

We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God; the Scriptures confirm this, however we all have a way of escape through Jesus Christ, BUT we must repent and place our faith in Him. Without trust in Jesus Christ, there is no forgiveness of sins and there is no eternal security.

I don't claim to know EVERYTHING, but I do know that Christ is the only way to God. How do I know this ? It's right there in the Holy Bible. THAT is how I know God. No arrogance, no pride, just His Word that He has given us to allow us to know Him, trust Christ, repent of our sins, and be forgiven. Apart from Him, there is no salvation. The Lord is kind and merciful, yet He is also just.

I don't plan to go back and forth all this; not one for arguing, but if anyone has any questions, feel free to email me - [email protected].

Christ alone,
Jenn

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Life In Return I can say there's no such thing as 18 wheelers, but if I stand in the middle of the interstate, I'll still get hit.

The 18 wheeler isn't really a good analogy... As your comparing something physical and real an idea, thats not.

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It takes a lot to believe there is no God. It takes more faith to believe there's no God than anything.

Can you clarify this, I'm not really understanding your wording.

 

[Life In Return]

Also, sorry, forgot a comment.

RaeRae - You said the ONLY reason I believe what I do is b/c I was born into a Christian family. Not so. My family is not Christian. I was born into no such thing. It is by the Grace of God that I believe in Him. I pray for my family's salvation, but just like anyone else, without Christ, they are sentenced to hell. I love my family, but I realize God's truths as well.

Many people DO have a choice as to what they believe. Nature is a visible testimony of the Glory and existence of God (Romans 1:19 - 20). The rejection and the sin of unbelief are damning. As I said, it takes a LOT to say there is no God. It takes a lot of faith to believe that.

Christ alone,
Jenn

 

[Hawkeye]

But it also takes a lot of faith TO believe in God.

Let us not use this topic (as if they have found the tomb or not) and turn this into a religious discussion about souls and whatnot. That's rather mundane to me :/

 

[Raerae]

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No pride and no arrogance here. I'm no better than anyone else. I'm a sinner just as we ALL are. The only difference is that Christ is my redeemer and Savior. Jesus Christ and His life and His works have been proven by many ancient historians - Tacitus, Eusebius, and Josephus - and of course there's the ultimate History book or the ultimate book PERIOD - the Bible.

Millions of people have never seen the bible. Millions more don't even know how to read. I bet there are many people who have never even seen a book b4, let alone the "ultimate" book. Do you think they really care about ancient historians they have never heard of?

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Most don't believe b/c that requires a change of life that means you would no longer be in control. As humans, we're born selfish and self seeking. We don't want anyone else to run things; we want to run them ourselves.

Some of the most selfless people I've ever met were not Christians. Some of the most selfish, have been. I think that really depends on the person, and how they choose to live their life. Many people don't need an escuse to be selfless.

If your need to be selfless stems from a fear of not having "eternal salvation" then thats just being selfish. As your motivator for helping people is not the need to help them, but the need to save your soul.

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Therefore we create our own gods after what we want and that god is just a figment of your imagination.

My personal favorite...

Edit... fixing size

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However, the God I serve has total control of my life. I trust Him. I serve Him. I obey Him. And NATURALLY ? That is hard for a person to do. I give Him all credit for it; it's NOT me. It's Him working IN me. ALL of us have broken God's Law (the 10 commandments) and truly, we deserve hell. We deserve His wrath, BUT He gave us a way to escape His wrath and to trust Him. That way is called Jesus Christ. Without Him, there is no way to know the Lord.

Hmm... I'm going to use your line of thought on this one. You know those 10 commandments that I've broken, it wasn't my fault, it was God working in me. So i really can't be held accountable for my sins, as I didn't commit them, God did. I was afterall, just obeying him, so like you, I'll give him all the credit for my sins; it's NOT me. It was him working in me, remember?


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And yes, RaeRae, all roads do lead to God, but only one leads to Him as Savior. The rest lead to Him as Judge.

I'm not responsible for my Sins remember? The whole god is in control of all my actions thing... I'm sure my lawyer will be able to prove that when I stand trial.


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We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God; the Scriptures confirm this, however we all have a way of escape through Jesus Christ, BUT we must repent and place our faith in Him. Without trust in Jesus Christ, there is no forgiveness of sins and there is no eternal security.

See above. I'm not a sinner, God is. If anything he needs to repent. To himself.

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I don't claim to know EVERYTHING, but I do know that Christ is the only way to God. How do I know this ? It's right there in the Holy Bible. THAT is how I know God. No arrogance, no pride, just His Word that He has given us to allow us to know Him, trust Christ, repent of our sins, and be forgiven. Apart from Him, there is no salvation. The Lord is kind and merciful, yet He is also just.

Perhaps God needs a bigger distribution list? As millions of illeterate people who dont have the $ to buy a bible (or a Barnes and Noble Bookstore at the village square) or the education to read one are apparently missing out.

Of course, it's impossible to believe that he would have given them another way to get to heaven, independant of Western Beliefs. You know, ones that dont require giveing the Church money they dont have, and being a member of the book club.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Tash Google "worth of catholic church". Plenty of sites pop up with the $150 billion figure. Obviously nobody knows exactly how much the church is worth.

Thats your job, not mine. When stating facts it's responsible to cite your sources. Or did you tell your professors to "google" your topic when you turned in a paper without a bibliography?

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye But it also takes a lot of faith TO believe in God. Let us not use this topic (as if they have found the tomb or not) and turn this into a religious discussion about souls and whatnot. That's rather mundane to me :/

Fanatics =p

 

[Hawkeye]

Let's try to refrain from forcing each other into our view points please ladies.

And Life in Return, if you wish to witness etc you are more than welcome to do so- just in another thread.

Raerae, your more than welcome to debate her too, as long as it is in another thread.

 

[Hawkeye]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Fanatics =p

nutjobs

LOL

 

[Beauty Mark]

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Many people didn't have a choice as to what God they believe in. The ONLY reason you believe in christianity, is because your were born into a christian family and raised that way. Had you been born to a family in any other part of the world, the odds are against you that you would be Christian today. Your only Christian by chance.

I think you do have a choice. People convert all the time to various faiths or were raised Christian and become atheist. You're probably more likely to be Christian if you're born in the US, but every time you pray, go to church, or do other stuff like that, you choose to do it.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark I think you do have a choice. People convert all the time to various faiths or were raised Christian and become atheist. You're probably more likely to be Christian if you're born in the US, but every time you pray, go to church, or do other stuff like that, you choose to do it.

As a citizen of the United States and other free countries you have a choice.

Try to convert from Islam in Iran, I dare you.

 

[Hawkeye]

Oh lord now you've done it. **Is now expecting a 30 page thread about how everyone is against the muslim belief and how we are all insensitive to the Muslim belief***

Anyone wanna share the popcorn with me?

 

[Raerae]

rofl...

Perhaps I should have used one of the African countries with Islamic militant extreamists. This way we could tie race into it as well!

Edit: :food:

Forgot the snacks.

 

[YvetteJeannine]

LifeInReturn Wrote:
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And yes, RaeRae, all roads do lead to God, but only one leads to Him as Savior. The rest lead to Him as Judge.

Now that's one thing I truly DON'T understand, and have always questioned since I was a young child...

Christians say that God is perfect. God is loving. God is forgiving. Now, God is not human, so therefore, logically, He would not have our human 'flaws', right?

Yet, so many times I hear, again and again, that God will judge you...God will 'punish' you, God will send you to burn in Hellfire and Damnation if you don't repent or "find Jesus"...

Well...if God is all-loving, and all-perfect, and doesn't have human flaws, then why do Christians always attach HUMAN charactaristics to Him?

If God is perfect, then He WILL NOT judge. If God is all-loving, then He WILL 'understand' our very human mistakes and imperfections...If God is supposed to love us unconditionally like many profess, then He will not send us into eternal Damnation for things like fornication, adultry, and the millions of other very imperfect things humans do. In fact, HE made us that way...If we were perfect, without flaws, "sin" (their word, not mine), and imperfections, there would be no reason (IMHO) for us to be here...for then there would be no learning....

Christians speak of a very perfect God...But IMO, a God who would sends his people into Hell for ever and ever and ever for a mistake doesn't sound like a perfect God to me....It sounds like a jealous, petty, judgmental God....And those are HUMAN attributes....God is NOT HUMAN....

The God I love is all-encompassingly loving....He forgives...He does not judge. That is a perfect God, in MY eyes....

 

[Raerae]

Actually according to the bible God is jealous and angry. He's really not a very nice guy.

 

[Hawkeye]

That's the old testiment Bible though.

Yvette has it right. Many Christians I feel really misconstrue God. God is not a bad being (for those who believe in him). There are things that we may not understand but he does. I mean kindness, compassion etc.

Humans love to put God in a box. We're ignorant. So we try to do it. But the thing humans don't understand is that God can't be wrapped up and given to someone in a box. He's all knowing, everywhere, and all loving. Sure, sometimes love does mean being tough and giving tough love (the whole consequences thing) but at the same time- it's out of love. There are times when sh*t happens- it's not gods fault. People love to give credit to god and satan for things that well isn't their doing, it's really just circumstance. *shrugs*

However, I do feel that God does have a tendency to be there no matter what. Even though people always scream to me " where was God when.....(followed by some long sappy story)"

Well the answer is he was there with you- it was your choice to ask for help and when you do ask for help don't expect some glowy angel thing showing up but expect an answer. *shrugs*

But anyway thats just my opinion...

Raerae- I swear to God you are the Trapper to my Hawkeye (mash ref.) but yeah we really should've tied race into this as well

Then we would've gotton a 24 page thread

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Hawkeye Raerae- I swear to God you are the Trapper to my Hawkeye (mash ref.) but yeah we really should've tied race into this as well Then we would've gotton a 24 page thread

lol... I have no idea who your talking about =p

 

[Hawkeye]

Consider it a compliment

 

[YvetteJeannine]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Actually according to the bible God is jealous and angry. He's really not a very nice guy.

Just my point..Many humans (mis)construe Him to be that way.....That is, of course, unless those who "wrote" the Bible have personally met with God and drank coffee with him....then they can attest to his demeanor