US airports install scanners that see through clothes.
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*Stargazer*
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This is something people continually seem to overlook.
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Yeah, I've noticed that I get stopped every time I go to the airport. I figure it could be worse. My poor Dad got stopped once at Gatwick in the early 90s with our garage door opener in his briefcase. It was once of those old ones that was just a black box with a white button in the middle that opened the door. He spent a good two hours trying to explain how benign it was. Flying while brown is the new DWB.
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This is something people continually seem to overlook.
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| Originally Posted by kaliraksha
Since dating my boyfriend who is Indian 75% of the time we've been searched. |
Yeah, I've noticed that I get stopped every time I go to the airport. I figure it could be worse. My poor Dad got stopped once at Gatwick in the early 90s with our garage door opener in his briefcase. It was once of those old ones that was just a black box with a white button in the middle that opened the door. He spent a good two hours trying to explain how benign it was. Flying while brown is the new DWB.
Lapis
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There is so much wrong with this they are trusting that terrorist will always use vest of some sort since it can't see thru body cavities, this really does nothing for the person who swallows or sticks something in their anus, anyone who's watched a prison show has seen how creative people can get sticking stuff up their behinds if there's a will there is a way.
Not only that but TSA agents have let thru guns and explosives just in the last year they clearly have issues with doing their jobs and profiling properly.
Since not every single person will be going thru this and you can bet it will be profiling at it's worst I don't think this makes anyone safer
Not only that but TSA agents have let thru guns and explosives just in the last year they clearly have issues with doing their jobs and profiling properly.
Since not every single person will be going thru this and you can bet it will be profiling at it's worst I don't think this makes anyone safer
alwaysbella
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aaallllllllllllllllright!........wait, ooh no
MAC_Whore
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This scanner isn't supposed to eliminate the theat, just aid in that quest. No one is saying their aren't ways around it. True, the scanner doesn't eliminate the issues of body cavities, but it does address a lot of other threats. The only way we eliminate the body cavity threat is to have everyone submit to a fingering. Doubt that will happen.
This just goes back to my question of just because we can't eliminate the threat, should we not take all reasonable measures? As it stands now, metal detectors and wands do not catch everything. Not everyone is wanded. Why not add the scanner as another tool to aid in eliminating the possiblity of danger?
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I was able to screen fake luggage and passengers in a training simulation for the public to see how well they could do in picking out threats. It was hard as hell. Granted, I am not a trained agent, but it really gave you an appreciation for the complexity of it.
If you think TSA agents have a hard time now, then clearly another method of checking is a good thing.
| Originally Posted by Lapis
There is so much wrong with this they are trusting that terrorist will always use vest of some sort since it can't see thru body cavities, this really does nothing for the person who swallows or sticks something in their anus, anyone who's watched a prison show has seen how creative people can get sticking stuff up their behinds if there's a will there is a way.... |
This scanner isn't supposed to eliminate the theat, just aid in that quest. No one is saying their aren't ways around it. True, the scanner doesn't eliminate the issues of body cavities, but it does address a lot of other threats. The only way we eliminate the body cavity threat is to have everyone submit to a fingering. Doubt that will happen.
This just goes back to my question of just because we can't eliminate the threat, should we not take all reasonable measures? As it stands now, metal detectors and wands do not catch everything. Not everyone is wanded. Why not add the scanner as another tool to aid in eliminating the possiblity of danger?
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| Originally Posted by Lapis
....Not only that but TSA agents have let thru guns and explosives just in the last year they clearly have issues with doing their jobs....... |
I was able to screen fake luggage and passengers in a training simulation for the public to see how well they could do in picking out threats. It was hard as hell. Granted, I am not a trained agent, but it really gave you an appreciation for the complexity of it.
If you think TSA agents have a hard time now, then clearly another method of checking is a good thing.
Lapis
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Reasonable measures yes but I don't think of seeing thru my clothing as reasonable!
But it's a moot point to me as I don't think it will help much, a box cutter was used to take over one of the 9-11 planes, terrorist can be terribly no/low tech and they are innovative let's face it, as seen from the 1993 attacks on the World Trade Center to 9-11, they revamp how they think and change their methods to suit.
In my view
1) Wanding and patting down is more affective since every person is done, this will only be done by profiling, which is faulty so it's effectiveness is going to only be as good as the person profiling (leading to point 2)
2)TSA agents aren't trained well period! Giving them another tool to be misused doesn't make us safer, when it's combined with bad profiling.
| Originally Posted by MAC_Whore
This scanner isn't supposed to eliminate the theat, just aid in that quest. No one is saying their aren't ways around it. True, the scanner doesn't eliminate the issues of body cavities, but it does address a lot of other threats. The only way we eliminate the body cavity threat is to have everyone submit to a fingering. Doubt that will happen. This just goes back to my question of just because we can't eliminate the threat, should we not take all reasonable measures? As it stands now, metal detectors and wands do not catch everything. Not everyone is wanded. Why not add the scanner as another tool to aid in eliminating the possiblity of danger? I was able to screen fake luggage and passengers in a training simulation for the public to see how well they could do in picking out threats. It was hard as hell. Granted, I am not a trained agent, but it really gave you an appreciation for the complexity of it. If you think TSA agents have a hard time now, then clearly another method of checking is a good thing. |
Reasonable measures yes but I don't think of seeing thru my clothing as reasonable!
But it's a moot point to me as I don't think it will help much, a box cutter was used to take over one of the 9-11 planes, terrorist can be terribly no/low tech and they are innovative let's face it, as seen from the 1993 attacks on the World Trade Center to 9-11, they revamp how they think and change their methods to suit.
In my view
1) Wanding and patting down is more affective since every person is done, this will only be done by profiling, which is faulty so it's effectiveness is going to only be as good as the person profiling (leading to point 2)
2)TSA agents aren't trained well period! Giving them another tool to be misused doesn't make us safer, when it's combined with bad profiling.
YvetteJeannine
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Written by MACWHORE:
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No. Not at all. I (clearly) love to type as well. And I ALWAYS have too much to say!
I do respect your opinion. I've tried to distance myself from my opinion in order to be objective, and I must concede that you do have some points.
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Damn...I loooove to type!
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No. Not at all. I (clearly) love to type as well. And I ALWAYS have too much to say!
I do respect your opinion. I've tried to distance myself from my opinion in order to be objective, and I must concede that you do have some points.
SparklingWaves
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I saw this picture about this topic and it looked a bit different.
I saw some interesting comments on the topic on this page:
Passengers virtually stripped naked by 3-D airport scanner
I saw some interesting comments on the topic on this page:
Passengers virtually stripped naked by 3-D airport scanner
FullWroth
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Okay, now I'm actually confused. If the sensor automatically detects suspicious items and then the person's patted down ANYWAY, what's the point in even HAVING the scanner, and if you HAVE the scanner and it picks these items up on its own, what's the point of any human being SEEING these images? The computer can just tell them there's something in sector X of the person's body without them getting to see the person more or less naked.
Anyone got clarification for me? 'Cause that can't be right, but that's what it's reading like.
Anyone got clarification for me? 'Cause that can't be right, but that's what it's reading like.
Traversant
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I'll take a pat-down thanks. You know there would be some pervy men viewing those image and hell some people get off on anything. It won't be me.
SparklingWaves
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I would go for a pat down. Actually, I would like a massage prior to the the trip.
--"Yes, that's it. Work on that neck muscle. Oh, that's wonderful. Plane trip? What plane trip?"
--"Yes, that's it. Work on that neck muscle. Oh, that's wonderful. Plane trip? What plane trip?"
Celly
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I totally agree. Couldn't have said it better myself. If having to walk through a scanner that will expose my body is what I have to do for the safety of myself and my kids then so be it.
| Originally Posted by Alibi
There are lots of people comlainting about airport rules, but IMO as long as its made for safety, its good. I wouldnt mind being scanned like that, cause i know thats for my own good. There are terrosrists attaching things to their bodies in diferent parts. so patting sometimes is not enough. I agree with the lines, being scanned, not being able to take liquids with me (more than 100 ml)... I know thats for safety. I will definitely feel more safe on the plane if i know everyone was checked like that. |
I totally agree. Couldn't have said it better myself. If having to walk through a scanner that will expose my body is what I have to do for the safety of myself and my kids then so be it.
V15U4L_3RR0R
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Gives me one more reason not to go to America.
OliviaHallxx
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The illuminati?? :s
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Such as? Just curious.
Originally Posted by lilMAClady
....I don't think its for our safety at all. I think its for something more sinister......
