Very Important Nude Lip Video

[gabi03]

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Originally Posted by seymone25 To each his own.. I am no longer a fan of his. I dont think the video was helpful at all. It felt more like a parody than anything else. It was crazy how he kept focusing his criticism on dark women. A true artist would have told you, what to do to help fix the color if it didnt work.

I completely agree with you, i personally thought his "to all the sistah's out there" quote was a bit unnecessary...

 

[spectrolite]

I liked the video and found it a semi-useful and hilarious. He did have some really good tips in there and I was actually chuckling at myself this morning for trying to avoid "Jizz Lip" (

)when I was doing a nude lip for the look I was wearing.

 

[seymone25]

This is not to start some white vs black issue. After all it is just makeup. (sidenote: I wanted to mention because you think he is a person of color doesn't necessarily mean he thinks he is a person of color.) Now that is out of the way, there are nudes colors that have dark skin tones in mind. Lets see, I am close to NW 60 sometimes in the summer and can wear any color that my white sistas can wear. Why because I know how to blend and what lipliner goes with my complexion.

I will reiterate again. If his videos are meant to help, then help. Don't create dumb nickname for people, etc. Tell people how to make it work for them. I don't know if you were referencing my comment but I never said he was a hater. I do feel that sometimes people take the word guru and run with it. He is very talented but his attitude sucks. I don't care how talented you are if your attitude sucks it gets you nowhere.

Youtube has become a place, where people can make money off of your views but at the same time be an asshole, racist, and the lists goes on. For the record, I am not a subscriber of his anymore because I have seen the change in his attitude from the beginning until now.

I am baffled as to why you are bringing racism into this. If you give suggestions that is fine. However are you going to call people names because they choose to do something different. Should I call him a faggot, homosexuals, etc etc because he wears makeup. No I would not because he is free to do whatever he likes without being called degrading names.

I am open to us having intelligent discourse on this subject.

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Originally Posted by Kragey I think his point was that it's very difficult for a fair-skinned woman to have a "too light" lip, but it's very easy for that to happen to WOC. This is especially true when you remember that the cosmetics industry is still not very open to the needs of WOC; many WOC are told that such-and-such a color is a nude and, maybe being new to makeup, assume that that means it's a nude for them, too. In actuality, most of what we call "nude" lipsticks are only true nudes for light-to-light/medium women. I would also like to add that Josh/Petrilude could be considered a person of color, so it's hard for me to see the comment as a deliberate "hater" comment. I've made lip color suggestions before based on general "skin tone," and I would hate for people to think I'm being racist or condescending when I suggest that such-and-such a color works better on darker women than this-and-this a color, which is "too light." Because the reality is that most make-up gurus openly admit that you should wear whatever makes you happy, regardless of their opinion.

 

[seymone25]

Thanks mrs lovejoy.. My sentiments exactly. People believe everything that gurus say is some type of gospel. That is not the case. If you feel something looks good on you and you feel comfortable then do YOU!!


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Originally Posted by mrslovejoy **Team Jizz-Lip** I just wanted to add that personally I'm not upset with his opinion, because it's just his opinion. I'm just looking for a friendly discussion about what said in this video. I don't care about what someone else (who might I add is not the same color as me) says would look good on me. I'll shout it from the rooftop..I'M A WOC WHO LIKES TO WEAR SILVER L/S & L/G AND I LOOK DAMN GOOD IN IT!!! Some people get caught up in these youtube "gurus" so much that they believe everything they say is the gospel. I just want them to have a broader scope when it comes to what colors WOC can pull off. Shoot, there are people still out there who believe that WOC can't wear pinks or reds. With that being said, I agree with DJ, Seymone & Reese, in that his videos are of no use for me. **skips off to watch Scandalous Beauty's videos**

 

[Kragey]

I really don't want to fight with you, but I think you may be overreacting. Several people brought up race before I did--perhaps they felt like he was targeting people of color. That's why I said that I didn't think the "all my sistahs" comment was meant to be a "only black women do this," backhanded kind of statement. And I'm glad that those colors look great on you, but it doesn't change the fact that the cosmetics industry is still focused primarily on young white women, which can make color selection difficult for WOC. Just take a look at how readily available certain foundation shades are.

I could also comment on free speech and the YouTube atmosphere, but I don't think it's entirely necessary, and again, I don't want to start arguments.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: wear what you want to wear, not what other people say looks good. I give suggestions and take them, but at the end of the day, I'm still a girl who wears fishnet shirts and bright blue lipstick, and those are no-nos for most people.

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Originally Posted by seymone25 This is not to start some white vs black issue. After all it is just makeup. (sidenote: I wanted to mention because you think he is a person of color doesn't necessarily mean he thinks he is a person of color.) Now that is out of the way, there are nudes colors that have dark skin tones in mind. Lets see, I am close to NW 60 sometimes in the summer and can wear any color that my white sistas can wear. Why because I know how to blend and what lipliner goes with my complexion. I will reiterate again. If his videos are meant to help, then help. Don't create dumb nickname for people, etc. Tell people how to make it work for them. I don't know if you were referencing my comment but I never said he was a hater. I do feel that sometimes people take the word guru and run with it. He is very talented but his attitude sucks. I don't care how talented you are if your attitude sucks it gets you nowhere. Youtube has become a place, where people can make money off of your views but at the same time be an asshole, racist, and the lists goes on. For the record, I am not a subscriber of his anymore because I have seen the change in his attitude from the beginning until now. I am baffled as to why you are bringing racism into this. If you give suggestions that is fine. However are you going to call people names because they choose to do something different. Should I call him a faggot, homosexuals, etc etc because he wears makeup. No I would not because he is free to do whatever he likes without being called degrading names. I am open to us having intelligent discourse on this subject.

 

[gabi03]

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Originally Posted by Kragey I really don't want to fight with you, but I think you may be overreacting. Several people brought up race before I did--perhaps they felt like he was targeting people of color. That's why I said that I didn't think the "all my sistahs" comment was meant to be a "only black women do this," backhanded kind of statement. And I'm glad that those colors look great on you, but it doesn't change the fact that the cosmetics industry is still focused primarily on young white women, which can make color selection difficult for WOC. Just take a look at how readily available certain foundation shades are. I could also comment on free speech and the YouTube atmosphere, but I don't think it's entirely necessary, and again, I don't want to start arguments. I've said it before and I'll say it again: wear what you want to wear, not what other people say looks good. I give suggestions and take them, but at the end of the day, I'm still a girl who wears fishnet shirts and bright blue lipstick, and those are no-nos for most people.

it was his mannerisms and the way he said it, and that's what got under my skin. He knew he was talking to black women or he wouldn't have said it or done it the way he did. He decided he would cock his head to the side and say it with a little attitude and finger wave, THIS is something people do to MOCK black women. I witness this almost everyday and it's disappointing.

His actions were out of pocket. nuff said.

 

[sss215]

I don't like the term jizz lip. his other comparisons were fine, but that is crass.
i see his point that silver is not a natural color. but that is not a "sistas" only thing.
i think its what ever works for you. make-up is about creativity and how you want to express yourself. no rules.

i personally like a nude lip that is very close to my skin color because its called nude, meaning nothing on. so i thinks my lip should look that way. my top lip is brown and my bottom lip is pink. i try to play with that and i have found colors in many color families that work with me. i can't just erase my lip colors to educate, he should have expressed: find what works for you.

 

[shontay07108]

^I don't like the term jizz lip either. Usually, I don't care about language like that, but the repeated use of it and the fact that this is just a makeup video made me cringe a bit.

 

[Care]

for the people in this thread that feel his video was on the "racist" side or whatever (I personally don't see that at all). I think the point he was trying to make was that it's MUCH EASIER for darker skined girls/boys to use a lipstick that's way tooo light for them in attempt to do a nude skin colored lip look. When they do this, it doesn't look like a nude lip, it looks like they're trying to pull off some stuff we've all done as teenagers and picking the entirely wrong, way too light shade of lipstick.

The lighter your skin color is, the lighter lipstick you can use in attempt to recreate a NUDE skin colored lip!! So if you're darker, don't try to use a shade what would blend into NW20 perfectly, you'll just end up looking silly. Alternately, I would never try to make my lips match a NC 40 colored skin tone and try to pass it off as a nude lip

 

[NubianHoneii]

*damn, now im going to have to throw my coveted Cherish l/s out the window?

LOL that's never happening.

I think people forget the difference between nude and neutral lips. Nude meaning looking like nothing is on the lip, and neutral meaning that the lip is not bright or prominent. People often interchange the terms and meanings, thus creating confusion. Cherish is not my Nude color, but I do use it when i want an understated lip in comparison to my eyes -- at least this is my terminology.


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Originally Posted by gabi03 it was his mannerisms and the way he said it, and that's what got under my skin. He knew he was talking to black women or he wouldn't have said it or done it the way he did. He decided he would cock his head to the side and say it with a little attitude and finger wave, THIS is something people do to MOCK black women. I witness this almost everyday and it's disappointing.

This was the part of the vid that did get a little under my skin and Im glad It wasn't only just me that felt that way. I don't know or personally think that was his intent, but it sure did leave a slight sour taste in my mouth twards him and his videos.

 

[QueenBam]

i agree AND disagree.... i call jizzlip when lighter skinned people use l/s or l/g too light for them... never think ive seen a jizzlip on a WOC

whatev. *goes on to watching other vids*

 

[reesesilverstar]

I'd have to say I do see where Kragey is coming from that an NW15 nude isn't an NC30's nude isn't an NW50's nude. And he could have said it just so. "Find a color that matches your skintone. This is how I do it - just an example." Or some iteration thereof. His comments honestly didn't offend me. I just think that if his intention was to TEACH, he could have executed his video better. But I guess that also plays into the fact that you don't HAVE to put up with him or his videos. Just don't watch/unsubscribe.

As was pointed out earlier, there is a difference b/t a neutral and a nude lip. What is sad, is that the "no rules in makeup" doesn't seem to apply 100% of the time to us darker skinned folk. Somehow, we're always predisposed "to go wrong" with our makeup. And I don't understand it. I for one own lipsticks that are way lighter than my skintone, some are even beige with silver pearl in them. And I rock them hard SANS lipliner. I just make sure that the rest of my look ties them in.

 

[chocolategoddes]

I knew this was going to be the Petrilude Nude Lip video!

But c'mon, people!

Are we really going to turn this into a racism discussion?

I agree with a lot he said. It all depends on the look you're going for. If you want to rock silver lips then, bitch you betta werk!
Just don't confuse pale lip or silver lip with a nude lip or a neutral lip because they aren't the same thing.

 

[spectrolite]

^Hehehe your uncanny ability to provide animated gifs appropriate to situations never ceases to amaze and amuse me >_<

 

[seymone25]

I was told that I am overreacting to this video.. Yet, I don't think the person quite understood what I was saying.

I am saying that you dont have to call people names to get your point across.. Point blank. It has nothing to do with racism.

Did he make references to black women through out the video? Yes. Does it bother me that he made references to black women? No. Does it bother that he made up degrading terms in reference to black women or any women for that matter? Yes.

But guess what? I can feel that way because I am my own person with my own opinions.

" but it doesn't change the fact that the cosmetics industry is still focused primarily on young white women, which can make color selection difficult for WOC." - Kragey

Really for lipstick? I think not. That may be the case with foundation but the tides are turning. Cosmetics are based on undertones. It doesn't matter if your black,white, yellow, orange , etc. If your undertone matches, you can wear it (i am referencing lipstick/lipgloss). Now a company just not creating foundations for WOC is another story that we don't need to go into. I agree with you that a nude lipstick that an NW15 person would wear might not go with every WOC as a nude lipstick. However there are tips and tricks to making an off nude lipstick work for you and that is what he should have shown.

As a professional makeup artist that has worked in various mediums, I might go to a set and not know whose makeup I am going to do that day. If the look calls for a nude and I dont have a nude that fits the client skintone. Guess what, I will use one that doesn't match and alter it via a lipliner and lipgloss to work for my client.

Anyway, I will not comment any further because it is pointless. However, I dont want anyone to further misconstrue what I am saying.

 

[macgirl3121]

I watched this video about a week ago. To me, his tone did seem a bit mocking but I ignored that to get thru the video and see if he actually had any new information to impart. It's information I already knew but maybe it would be helpful to someone out there.

In my opinion I like Jackie O's nude lip video better. I think it's because I like Jackie. She seems really geniune.

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

@chocolategoddes ~ My son usually goes for the Picard facepalm. Lol!

 

[Purplegloss9]

well said Kragey.

 

[aabidabi]

wow i didn't realize my post would start so much drama but i have a couple things to say..i don't think that Josh meant to offend anyone in the video
the point of the matter is that most BLACK

 

[aabidabi]

women are the one who have the 'jizz-lip' lighter skinned or white woman you dnt see as much bc the lipstick doesn't look milky nd ashy as it would on darker skinned women. But like someone said if you like silver go ahead and DO YOU and look good doing it
but if you're trying to do a NEUTRAL/NUDE lip then silver/milky/ashy/ white does not work well...and i have never seen except in women of color
maybe the attitude he had with it was un-needed but i think he was jus trying to be amusing and he meant no harm..if it was a dark skinined lady in the video doing the same exact things no one would say she was being racist or w/e..and i'd like to point out that Josh IS a person of color so it's not like some white woman making fun of black woman..he was jus making a joke so LIGHTEN up

 

[nunu]

I find the video really helpful as i have been finding it hard to find a nude lip that would suit me. turns out, all you need is concealer and lipglass and voila

He was just telling people what looks right and what looks wrong. It is a video at the end of the day, either listen to it or not, it's your decision.