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rockin

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When I first got married, we agreed that we didn't want children, and we were both quite happy with that, even to the point of asking not to have the bit about being blessed with children in our wedding service. Six years later, however, having had no desire whatsoever to have children, I suddenly discovered that what I'd heard about people becoming 'broody' was a real thing. I'd thought it was all nonsense until then. I found myself looking at babies when we were out, and really wanting one of my own. I couldn't believe the change that had come over me. I now have 2 children, aged 16 and 12 (had the big gap because of an emergency caesarean with the first one, and him not sleeping for more than 15 minutes at a time right up until he was about 7 months old, and then only up to 2 hours at a time until he was about 13 months old). My Mum actually wrote 'Thank you' in the card my parents gave me when I had my first child, probably because she had thought she was never going to have any grandchildren. She had never tried to persuade me that I ought to have children, though.
 

LMD84

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When I first got married, we agreed that we didn't want children, and we were both quite happy with that, even to the point of asking not to have the bit about being blessed with children in our wedding service. Six years later, however, having had no desire whatsoever to have children, I suddenly discovered that what I'd heard about people becoming 'broody' was a real thing. I'd thought it was all nonsense until then. I found myself looking at babies when we were out, and really wanting one of my own. I couldn't believe the change that had come over me. I now have 2 children, aged 16 and 12 (had the big gap because of an emergency caesarean with the first one, and him not sleeping for more than 15 minutes at a time right up until he was about 7 months old, and then only up to 2 hours at a time until he was about 13 months old). My Mum actually wrote 'Thank you' in the card my parents gave me when I had my first child, probably because she had thought she was never going to have any grandchildren. She had never tried to persuade me that I ought to have children, though.
lol! that is funny that your mum gave you a tahnk you card! bless her! and i guess feeling broody can catch you at any point! i just hope it doesn't happen to me!

i've just come on specktra for a few minutes to relax myself. my stress levels were going insane because i've been none stop doing shit since 9am. and not simple shit either. complicated stuff that seems to be drawn out even longer by having to deal with bloody stupid people on the phone! who i have to stay pleasent to!! really i want to tell them to hurry the freak up!
 

ElvenEyes

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Good morning! The spring birds have arrived! My eyes are itchy and watery. Spring is finally here. Darn it...I forgot how bad my eyes can get and here I have all this pretty new e/s! I want to play!! Dusting and other chores first, as well as selling more decks from the never ending pile. Sigh...

I think it is only natural that at one point you feel a bit sad or emotional over children. This happened to me at age 40. I was watching everyone around me having their last kids and knew it was then or never. It only happened at family gatherings and mostly it made me think of when my own parents are gone, how quiet the house is, how I will never have children and grandchildren to watch at my own family gathering. But things have changed so much now that I don't even think about it. Life is what you make of it. A family isn't always about blood ties, but rather the people you surround yourself with, whether they stay in your life or are only there for a while. I see so many families where the parents live one place and the kids/grandchildren live across country or in another country and they don't see them even once a year. You have no guarantees of how life will work out. You can set your life up in a dream setting, with children and you can lose them in a car accident within seconds. Now I am watching my sister and older SIL's start to go through semi empty nest syndrome. They want to hold on to their kids, but they aren't kids anymore! They are college graduates, moving away, finding their own life. As it should be. More than likely I will get another cat in a few years!! Now that is something I am excited about! lol

Thanks on the compliments of my bracelets. As they are not made of real gold, they are not too costly. The thin bangles ranged from 68-98 dollars and the large ones are over 100, depending on the style, etc. The thinner ones are my favourites! And I had a 25% coupon off so that helped urge to splurge! I figure with all the decks I am selling I should put some of it to things other than MU! I also need another MU drawer....or two. lol I need a vanity with large, long drawers!!

Tell me about cheap hobbies...ha! At this point are there any? Tarot is costly, books are costly, my Wee Forest Folk collection is super costly (tiny mice starting at around 78.00 per piece), my Old World Santas are costly. I think my MU collection is the least of then all, in spite of all I have bought! At least I use the stuff, but then it will be gone! Eeeeek!

Off to have my breakfast!! Have a fabulous day, everyone! Why does it feel like Friday to me???
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Miss QQ

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Debi - love the creative bronzey look! Love the hairband too, and the one you had on for the pink fairy look. The coach bandles look gorgeous! But I can't wear bandles, too bad for my skinny & boney wrists.

To all the ladies who don't want kids, I think it is our personal choices. I don't think anyone should be judged on whether or not we plan to have kids. Just heck the busybodies! There's the saying that kids are always cute when they're not your own. lol.

To those with kids, I think you need lots of commitment and sacrifices, so bravo! It must be very comforting and fulfilling too.

rockin - I've heard of how some couples didn't want kids initially but years later they did. Glad that it worked out for you and no one ever pressured you too!

Exactly! i don't understand why i am 'selfish' either. it is a very strange opinion for people to have. sadly i think this might be one of teh reasons why my MIL isn't a big fan of me either because she knows that there is no way she will be getting a grandchild from me. my mum isn't fussed and even told me that she thinks it's for the best if i don't have one (it says allot when your own mother warns you not to have a kid!!). I think what i dislike most about the idea is the fact that all of my friends have lost their identity since they have become 'mum'. no longer do they ever come out shopping or out for a meal or drink. they literally stay home or go out with their children. their houses have been taken over, their facebooks dont even have pictures of them anymore! it's all pictures of their children and updates on how 'they've just been to the toilet all on their own!'. when talking they act like i am still a teenager and saying that my priorities should change. when really if it means talking about babies all the sodding time i would rather stick to what i enjoy talking about! i listen to them cahtting about their children of course, but when that is all you talk about it becomes old very quickly.

oh and 6 years isn't too big of a gap between your children! there is 5 between me and my brother and that was purely because my parents wanted to wait and make sure they could definately afford to have another child. so they waited until my dad got his own company. at times growing up it was hard because my brother was always messing around with my stuff, but now we are both grown up (he's 21 one) we get on very well.

today at work i need to try and keep my stress levels down. i have lots to do and i must make sure that i dont snap at my guys. it's all in prep for the manager swap. i have to make sure that i double check everything i do to make sure it is correct which is extremely stressful.
Couldn't agree more, lou! What's up with putting your child's photo as your profile pic in your facebook? And it's not even a photo of you & your child, but just your child! And the pics are endless. I just don't get it. But no offence to anyone who actually does it, who knows when I'm a first time parent I'll do that. And if the topic is just about children, it is like they are hijacking and dominating the conversation. If I just talked about makeup throughout the whole gathering with my friends, they wouldn't like it either! That didn't happen to my friends, because most of us aren't married yet, but the co-workers at my old office were endlessly talking about babies and on facebook, it's babies pic galore. I got very tired of them lol!

I'm with shadow, I can't believe your friend said that and you are better off without her. She shouldn't let her pain/regret of not being able to have her own child get over her to the extent of judging/meddling with your personal choices. And I think it's true that your mum should know you better. Right now I can't imagine having a child too because it's so stressful and unhappy to go through the competitive & stifling education system in my country. I went through that and I don't want my child to go through the same thing.

You talked about wanting the tiffany black beads bracelet right? Hope you pick up something you like. :) Good luck for the manager swap! Don't worry, you are always very neat and your team will do you proud!
 

ElvenEyes

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Yes, you both (Lou and Miss QQ) have just hit a pet peeve of mine. Putting up pictures of one's children on Facebook or blogs. These are the same people who take pictures of their home, give out their city and state, their full name, and then complain that there are lots of people kidnapping kids. I would be so protective of my kid, if I had one. I would probably homeschool the poor child because then I would not have to worry about them getting shot or knifed or whatever in school. Yep, I would smother my kid for protection! lol I admit it and know it well! I also freak out when the young "Makeup Gurus" show off their rooms, their house layout, videos of their mall visits. They are just setting themselves up as targets. I often wonder how many parents really know what they are doing and how many know and don't care. It is a dangerous and scary world out there. Don't show your palm trees and the mall you got to, say how you go every Saturday with you best friend or sister and then post it all on YouTube. Perfect set up for a stalker. Scary indeed.

Off to sell more decks, but some fun information. Yesterday, after I did my Fairy Face I washed it off and put on HD foundation and HD blush. I was late in going to bed and too lazy, so thought I would see how well it wore during the night. Well, over 15 hours later it was still fresh looking! Now that is what I call excellent MU!

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ElvenEyes

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Aaaaaahhhhh! What a crappy day! I put a bunch of really good decks up, there was someone showing extreme interest in a pricey group of decks and the site got hacked. Hacked! It never gets hacked. OMG. I am so angry at the world. Then my husband finds out his stupid car is draining his battery for some reason that even AAA can't figure out. So he is off to the garage to see if they can figure it out. And he was going to bring me to the mall, but that is all shot now. Grrrrrrr....grumble, grumble....bad words, grumble, grumble....evil eye...grumble, grumble....

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LMD84

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Yes, you both (Lou and Miss QQ) have just hit a pet peeve of mine. Putting up pictures of one's children on Facebook or blogs. These are the same people who take pictures of their home, give out their city and state, their full name, and then complain that there are lots of people kidnapping kids. I would be so protective of my kid, if I had one. I would probably homeschool the poor child because then I would not have to worry about them getting shot or knifed or whatever in school. Yep, I would smother my kid for protection! lol I admit it and know it well! I also freak out when the young "Makeup Gurus" show off their rooms, their house layout, videos of their mall visits. They are just setting themselves up as targets. I often wonder how many parents really know what they are doing and how many know and don't care. It is a dangerous and scary world out there. Don't show your palm trees and the mall you got to, say how you go every Saturday with you best friend or sister and then post it all on YouTube. Perfect set up for a stalker. Scary indeed.

Off to sell more decks, but some fun information. Yesterday, after I did my Fairy Face I washed it off and put on HD foundation and HD blush. I was late in going to bed and too lazy, so thought I would see how well it wore during the night. Well, over 15 hours later it was still fresh looking! Now that is what I call excellent MU!

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oh yes debi you are totally right about the safety aspects of putting yours kid out there on the internet. not clever at all :(
 

LMD84

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Aaaaaahhhhh! What a crappy day! I put a bunch of really good decks up, there was someone showing extreme interest in a pricey group of decks and the site got hacked. Hacked! It never gets hacked. OMG. I am so angry at the world. Then my husband finds out his stupid car is draining his battery for some reason that even AAA can't figure out. So he is off to the garage to see if they can figure it out. And he was going to bring me to the mall, but that is all shot now. Grrrrrrr....grumble, grumble....bad words, grumble, grumble....evil eye...grumble, grumble....

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oh i am sorry debi that the site was hacked. that is so shitty! not good at all!
 

ElvenEyes

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lol Foul things rarely come out of my mouth, but put it with being tired and some cramps that aren't supposed to be here yet, I am swearing like a sailor! It is still down, crashed, hacked, a mess. I am so freaking angry. One lady is expecting 200.00 worth of tarot. I am waiting for 100.00 money order. I have three more sets adding up to 350.00. And so much more to go. I have no time for that forum to crash on me, just when someone was showing interest on some rare decks. Ugh!

Lou~I think we are related. I have major problems with anxiety that go right to the stomach. I even have to take tummy meds for it and have been in and out of the hospital since I was 15 having tests to be sure I don't have cancer or ulcers or anything weird going on. It is all stress, but it manifests itself physically to the point of being sick to my stomach, literally. The meds help keep my stomach muscles calm and not spastic. But it doesn't take much to make it act up. Take some deep breaths and do something special for yourself...have a calm evening by the tv with the hubby and the kitties and some nice hot tea.

A super fun Sephora order just arrived. I need an entire drawer on blush. I am the one who used to have just 1 blush. One. Now, including all powders, creams, etc, I have over 45 (not including highlights and shimmer bricks) and have more that I want. I've lost my mind! But I love them! Rows and rows of various pinks, roses, peach and nude colours! I can't say no to a good pink blush!!
 

shadowaddict

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Debi--that sucks about the site right when you someone was showing so much interest. Hopefully when it gets back up they will snap up your stuff.

I agree that it is stupid to post pics of your children and such online. That is very dangerous. We saw a couple of years ago that my younger niece was posting pics of her older sister's very young kids. Her sister is 10 yrs older and she was so ticked off and rightly so. If I post a pic on here or something I feel that's a bit different than like on Facebook. I don't have a FB account. I feel that I'd invading my kid's territory:) I know they're grown but still.

If you have children I think it is very important not to lose yourself. You still need time for your friends to go shopping or have a long lunch or whatever you enjoy. I think if you do these kind of things you will also be a better parent because your entire life is not consumed with being a mom. If you don't you will go bonkers. It's all about balance.
 

shadowaddict

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Lou, I hope your stressful day settles down. I have anxiety issues also and yes most of the time right to the tummy to cause problems there.


Debi--Yeh, I think I would be letting some interesting words fly about that. I guess while the site is down you can have fun playing with your new Sephora goodies.
 

LMD84

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Lou, I hope your stressful day settles down. I have anxiety issues also and yes most of the time right to the tummy to cause problems there.


Debi--Yeh, I think I would be letting some interesting words fly about that. I guess while the site is down you can have fun playing with your new Sephora goodies.
 

shadowaddict

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Thank You Lou, I needed to hear that as sometimes I feel helpless or ready to scream:) Parenting is such a tough endless job. My son will be 28 on the 23rd of this month making me feel quite old and expecting a son of his own just a few seeks after that. He had a lot of issues also, mostly due to his biological father. I say that because he never saw my son except about 3 times a year, just enough to cause him problems. He never folowed through with his promises and I was always making excuses for him as I would never bad mouth his dad to him. Some people do that but it just isn't fair to the child, they have enough emotional crap from it all anyway. I stupidly dropped out of college and got married a few months shy of turning 20. Three months later I found out I was 6 weeks pregnant. I was on bc pills but they were making me sick and my dr changed them and to be honest I may have forgot one so this was so not planned.

I left his dad when he was 5 months old because he was very abusive. To not make this too long, he beat me up throughout my pregnancy and after. I left a few times and then went back. I finally got the strength to leave for good. Thank God for my parents as I knew I always had a home there and they kept us safe from his stalking and threats. My daddy had a very bad heart condition so I never told them or well anyone what was happening and I was embarased. I hid it with makeup and long sleeves and such. My mom and I never had a close relationship and at times quite strained but I knew she always had my back and well my sister and I were both daddy's little girls even when we grew up. Sadly my daddy passed away a few months later about a month before Adam had his first b-day.

My husband has been an amazing dad to my son and has never referred to him as his step-son. He treats both kids the same and he calls him my son and our kids. They don't see each other anything but regular brother and sister. My son calls his biological father his "other dad" or when he's really ticked off by his name. So we have been through a lot with him over the years.

Sorry, I guess I did makes this long after all and that you guys have to see all my troubles.

Oh so you know when you read my stuff about my kids they are Adam and Cassity.
 

shadowaddict

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Oh and on a different topic, isn't this pretty and tempting? I haven't used much Estee Lauder in a long time but I get emails from the Paula B.'s site and this was one of her picks.

http://www.esteelauder.com/product/...himmer-Powder-for-Eyes-Cheeks-Face/index.tmpl

This is her review of it:

Paula's Product Pick
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$$$ ESTEE LAUDER Signature 5-Tone Shimmer Powder for Eyes, Cheeck, Face ($36). Those looking to enhance their makeup application with soft shine should consider this easy-to-apply pressed powder with shine! It has a buttery smooth texture and nearly foolproof application that adds soft, sheer colors and a radiant finish that enlivens skin without overdoing the sparkles. It is excellent used over blush, on its own as a cheek color/highlighter, or dusted over smaller areas. Lauder offers ivory-pink or soft bronze options, and both palettes are beautiful, particularly for fair to medium skin tones.
 

ElvenEyes

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Lou~lol A lot of words in American English and British English don't match up too well! I'm still trying to figure out what the word "wonky" means in England! I hear Miranda Richardson use it a lot in interviews. Does it mean off balance, wacky? But don't worry...half the time someone could be swearing at me and I would not even know it. Apparently there are a lot of foul words out there that I have not yet discovered. I am so sheltered.....(violins playing in the background...)

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shadowaddict~I am so proud of you for knowing to leave your abusive husband. It takes only a coward to beat on someone, and a pregnant woman? I can't even begin to imagine the fear. You are far too precious for that. No one deserves to be abused. I hope that you have a happy and loving life from now on, free of fear or pain. xo

And how dare you tempt me with those Estee Lauder goodies. They look gorgeous! To buy or not to buy. I know their blushes tend to look yellow on me, but ya never know.

I just got back from some fun Easter decorating shopping at the local nursery. The forum is back up, but I think I lost that interested buyer. Let's hope he comes back!
 

shadowaddict

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Thanks Debi, I have a great hubby of almost 24 yrs and very happy even through our kid's ups and downs, which there have been plenty. We lived with my mom still after my father passed and was there almost 4 yrs. She and my son became very close. It was so very sad that she passed away while he was in Iraq the first time in 2006, just 6 days after her 71st birthday. That was so difficult for him. That was a crazy year for me with him away and worried sick, then her passing, and it was my daughter's senior year in high school abd so much to do that last year. That seems to be a recurring thing in my life. When I left my fist husband in Aug 1983 my grandmother passed away right after in Oct. She was my last grandparent, pretty much the only one I ever knew because I was so young when the others passed. Then I had all the court crap with the divorce until late Dec and then my daddy passed on Feb 8th 1984. Sometimes lifes throws you some big blows all at once.

I am about to be a grandmother. I'm so excited. My daughter-in-law went to the dr today and she said the baby is dropping and they will do another ultrasound the week after next. The little one is getting quite big. Adam was 8lb 7oz, so maybe like his daddy. my son has been a bit baby crazy for the last few yrs which is funny cause it's usually the woman. They are going to name him after my son. But instead of trying to deal with the whole big Adam, little Adam thing and thank God they are not going to call him junior they are going to call him A.J. for Adam junior. I was surprised a bit at the name because my son had said to me early on that if it was a boy he didn't really want to name him after himself but that she did. So I guess she convinced him. I did not give an opinion one way or another. I knew better. When I was pregnant with him I got so tired of people asking and telling me their choices. So when I got pregnant with my daughter we decided not to tell anyone the name until after she was born, our families didn't particularly like that. It is very good we found out we were having a girl as we could not agree on a name until a couple of weeks before her birth. If it had turned out to be a boy the poor thing probably still wouldn't have a name:)

However this did come kind out of left field. He had married about 6 or so years ago and they had split before a year had passed. They were back together before the divorce was final but went ahead with it. They have been off and on for 7-8 yrs. They split again this past May and we just wondered how long before they would be together again. Then in mid July he introduced me to a girl and told me they were dating and then he called me in late Aug and told me she was pregnant, so wow. They got married Oct 1st. They have known each other since high school, she's 25 and he'll be 28 soon. She is really nice but we're still getting to know her. It is kind of hard because we loved his ex so much and she was already "part" of the family and such a sweetie. I do hope things work out well for Adam and his new wife although it's hard enough to get settled in a new marriage and when you add a little one in so quickly can be a bit overwhelming.

Ya'll are gonna know my whole life story before long:)

That Estee Lauder blush looks so pretty. I've never tried their blush. I tried one of their foundations many years ago and the ma matched me way off and one not so good for my oily skin. She was not very nice either. I guess I didn't know back then to just to another counter and different and ma. I've heard great things about some of their foundations being long lasting and a couple good for us oilies in the last few years and have looked at them online but they look very dark. I should probably check them out in person as I would think they would have some pale options.
 

ElvenEyes

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shadowaddict~I use and love Estee Lauder Lucidity foundation in Pale Ivory. It is my absolute favourite and matches my skin perfectly. Their Lucidity pressed powder is nice, too. But you are right. The saleswomen are almost always rude or impatient, as though asking them for help or to be rung up is invading their privacy! Hello! That is what you are being paid for. I thought people who worked at cosmetic counters might actually be into cosmetics. Guess not!

I hauled again. Good grief. I am going to need a makeup room at this point. MAC was awesome. They had a few Pink Cult blushes. I love the, so I bought two! Yay! No more stalking the MAC site waiting and waiting. And picked up a few more goodies. Then to Sephora to round off the order that came today. Sheesh. Then the funny part. I decided to buck up and go buy those dreaded bras I needed. So I went to Victoria Secret. They are supposed to be great at sizing and helping right? Ha! An overweight woman + Victoria Secret bras is a NO GO! So, I bought some lippies, some gloss, some scent, and booked it over to Sears where I found some comfy cotton bras by Bali for the chubby woman syndrome. And I held my breath while we walked past Dunkin Donuts...with the yummy food and coffee and just thought of my goodies and how I chubby I am in dressing room mirrors...especially after a long cold winter of doing nothing! Big wakeup call.

Time to run 50 miles in the 20 degree weather before bed....and a snack.

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BeckyBenett

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Thank You Lou, I needed to hear that as sometimes I feel helpless or ready to scream:) Parenting is such a tough endless job. My son will be 28 on the 23rd of this month making me feel quite old and expecting a son of his own just a few seeks after that. He had a lot of issues also, mostly due to his biological father. I say that because he never saw my son except about 3 times a year, just enough to cause him problems. He never folowed through with his promises and I was always making excuses for him as I would never bad mouth his dad to him. Some people do that but it just isn't fair to the child, they have enough emotional crap from it all anyway. I stupidly dropped out of college and got married a few months shy of turning 20. Three months later I found out I was 6 weeks pregnant. I was on bc pills but they were making me sick and my dr changed them and to be honest I may have forgot one so this was so not planned.

I left his dad when he was 5 months old because he was very abusive. To not make this too long, he beat me up throughout my pregnancy and after. I left a few times and then went back. I finally got the strength to leave for good. Thank God for my parents as I knew I always had a home there and they kept us safe from his stalking and threats. My daddy had a very bad heart condition so I never told them or well anyone what was happening and I was embarased. I hid it with makeup and long sleeves and such. My mom and I never had a close relationship and at times quite strained but I knew she always had my back and well my sister and I were both daddy's little girls even when we grew up. Sadly my daddy passed away a few months later about a month before Adam had his first b-day.

My husband has been an amazing dad to my son and has never referred to him as his step-son. He treats both kids the same and he calls him my son and our kids. They don't see each other anything but regular brother and sister. My son calls his biological father his "other dad" or when he's really ticked off by his name. So we have been through a lot with him over the years.

Sorry, I guess I did makes this long after all and that you guys have to see all my troubles.

Oh so you know when you read my stuff about my kids they are Adam and Cassity.
im sorry to hear hw badly things were in the past for you. its great that you had the strength to leave him though. its definitely not easy to pull yourself out of that..

but congrats on finding an amazing guy who now understands how amazing you are and treats you just as you deserve! i hope he appreciates you bcos i think u are a gem. i may have only knwn u girls for abt 3 mths but u girls are seriously AMAZING, WONDERFUL pple!
 

shadowaddict

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Thank you Becky, It's nice to hear that from you guys. I love it here also, such supportive people, without judgement.

Debi-I agree, what's up with some of the women at these makeup counters? That's why I gave up on Lancome, Estee Lauder and a bunch of the department store counters. I didn't feel they were very helpful and also feed me a buch of bs trying to get me to buy things I knew were not good for my skin type. When MAC came to here to TN about 10-12 yrs ago I was so excited because I had read about it in magazines. I have had nothing but great customer service and great makeup advise. The ma's are all so friendly and not all snotty. I can go into our MAC store and talk to a ma with hot pink hair and tatoos and she's not looking at me like why are you in here, we're for the young and hip not older and overweight. I love the diversity of the ma's and the great tips they share. They know the products well and are not pushy. When they are not busy I love chatting with them. It's been really helpful too so I can call up and tell them what I want ahead of the launch date and they will pull my items and hold them in the back for me. It's funny this one ma used to be at the counter nearest to me and I talked to him some but there was a couple of the girls that helped me most of the time. I didn't know he had switched to the store until I called my store to ask a question and as soon as he heard my voice he said "is this Saundra" I said yes, I could not believe he knew my voice on the phone like that.

We've just had a Sephora for about 3-4 years here. I used to order online so I was super excited when we got the store. To get to it in the mall I have to walk by Godiva, Christie Cookie, which have the most amazing cookies ever, and there's a pretzel place that the smells are so tempting. There's also a lovely tea shop but tea is not bad for me so I like that. I'll probably go in the next couple of days. It's like a playground for me.

I hate bra shopping as well. I do like some of Victoria Secret bras but they never have stuff in my size or style in the store. I order online and always search for coupons to get free shipping. When I lost weight a couple of years ago and gravity not so kind in that area I found that some of the VS gave me some lift under my boobs which I really needed. I didn't need a padded one just a boost upward. Cassity (daughter) is quite slim and not very big at the top but she hates bras that have padding or as she says they already have boobs in them:)
 
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