MAC x Archie's Girls (Betty & Veronica) Collection Discussion (February 2013)

OctoberViolet

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I hear you and agree with you. My girls need to breathe also. I hate restrictive clothes. I'm too "top heavy" to be totally covered up.
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I totally HATE crew neck shirts. And it's just a regular boxy tee, too? I would revolt. People think I'm a snob, but I just cannot wear clothes that aren't flattering. V-necks all the way!!! My boobies must breathe.
 

kisou

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I'm the same way about returning makeup. I think I've only ever done it once. I know I should just return things when I don't like them, but I can't bring myself to do it knowing they'll be destroyed. Plus, if it's an online order, then you lose part of the refund anyway because you have to pay for the return shipping. (Yup, the one thing I ever returned was from an online order) So now I have a small pile of products that I just personally was not a fan of sitting in one of my drawers. When I look at that pile these days, I realize that I need to ONLY buy colors I know I really really want and skip the ones that I want but am not dying for. This past year in particular added too many things to that pile!
I totally understand! I fiendishly figure out which colors I want and try to avoid getting things I will absolutely hate... but then again, I can give the ones that didn't work to other makeup enthusiastic friends! It makes for a good makeup swap!
 

Audrey C

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I'm the same way about returning makeup. I think I've only ever done it once. I know I should just return things when I don't like them, but I can't bring myself to do it knowing they'll be destroyed. Plus, if it's an online order, then you lose part of the refund anyway because you have to pay for the return shipping. (Yup, the one thing I ever returned was from an online order) So now I have a small pile of products that I just personally was not a fan of sitting in one of my drawers. When I look at that pile these days, I realize that I need to ONLY buy colors I know I really really want and skip the ones that I want but am not dying for. This past year in particular added too many things to that pile!
It doesn't bother me in the least anymore to return a product. The reason I order online blind is because it's nearly impossible to wait and try LE releases in the store before they sell out. If I could count on MAC having sufficient quantities to last the first couple of days, then I'd buy in store 100% of the time.

Because of the whole LE low quantities hype nonsense that MAC indulges in, I order online so I don't miss them. If that means that some items get returned because they didn't work for me, so be it. I don't return other company's products because I can try them first. MAC is reaping what they sow and I don't see any reason why I should waste my makeup dollars because of their business model.
 

KiKi Kontour

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oh i have absolutely positively NOOOO prob returning a makeup product i know im not gonna use and i don care if they destroy it, feed it to aliens or use it to paint!!! but i do try my hardest to NOT return but if i give it 3 goes n it doesnt work...back to the store it goes cuz i spend too much moniez aka penn-yayz to let it sit n do nothing. now i will give some away if i like it but im not wearin it much but like i had that mac pressed powder (the translucent one) and i swear each n ery time i used it i just could NOT get with it soooo i took it back to swap for the loose one!! another reason why i shop at places with good return policies but honeychiiiiild aint no shame in MY game when returning shyt
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CHOSENONE, u should think of having like a swap or sell em cuz what might not work for u works for someone else!!
 

Naynadine

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oh i have absolutely positively NOOOO prob returning a makeup product i know im not gonna use and i don care if they destroy it, feed it to aliens or use it to paint!!! but i do try my hardest to NOT return but if i give it 3 goes n it doesnt work...back to the store it goes cuz i spend too much moniez aka penn-yayz to let it sit n do nothing. now i will give some away if i like it but im not wearin it much but like i had that mac pressed powder (the translucent one) and i swear each n ery time i used it i just could NOT get with it soooo i took it back to swap for the loose one!! another reason why i shop at places with good return policies but honeychiiiiild aint no shame in MY game when returning shyt
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CHOSENONE, u should think of having like a swap or sell em cuz what might not work for u works for someone else!!
LOL!
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I return makeup too when it absolutely doesn't work for me. Or I swap it.
 

Mac-Guy

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I'm the same way about returning makeup. I think I've only ever done it once. I know I should just return things when I don't like them, but I can't bring myself to do it knowing they'll be destroyed. Plus, if it's an online order, then you lose part of the refund anyway because you have to pay for the return shipping. (Yup, the one thing I ever returned was from an online order) So now I have a small pile of products that I just personally was not a fan of sitting in one of my drawers. When I look at that pile these days, I realize that I need to ONLY buy colors I know I really really want and skip the ones that I want but am not dying for. This past year in particular added too many things to that pile!
... they not only get destroyed, it's also lost money for the company, which in return, will be added to the calculated retails price. Sadly, the more people return, the more the price will skyrocket. In other words: if you return it, it effects everybody.

You actually give a very good recommendation (and I follow the same principle): Only buy products were you are absolutely sure that they will work for you. If you are not sure, then pass. Don't buy it because it is LE or hyped. Trust your instincts. It saves not only your money, but also that of other customers.

At the same time, however, I agree that MAC's business model makes it harder because of the LE frenziness. Still, I believe that everyone can purchase wisely if they follow the advice above.
 

Audrey C

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I guarantee that MAC has figured returns into their model and has likely decided that hype with a small increase in returns generates a larger profit for them than lower hype with less returns. Given that I buy bucketloads of product at full retail price, returning a couple of products a year doesn't come anywhere NEAR making me a cost to others. I'm pure profit to that company, and so is everyone else who buys virtual Pro quantities at full retail price. MAC would rather me buy more and return the odd product than err on the side of caution and buy way less.

I don't doubt that there are some who order way more than they intend/can afford to keep and then return heaps of it. Would someone like that impact the bottom line negatively? Yes, of course. But the mega-buyers here who return the odd lippie because they just can't make it work for them (after buying and keeping 30+ other products during the year) aren't hurting anyone. It would be nice to never get it wrong, but that's almost impossible and MACs business practices certainly don't help.

I've done this kind of marketing/product/distribution analysis professionally for more years than I care to admit to. ;) I stand by my opinion - if you didn't like the lippie you had to order online the second it appeared or risk not getting it at all then you should have no qualms about returning it. MAC knows very well that will happen sometimes and has chosen to accept that risk.

I'll go out on a limb and say that I'm all but certain (even without unit costs and modelling) that Pro customers who buy large quantities and then sell to retail customers at full price cost MAC WAY more in lost profits than a retail customer who does an occasional return. MAC sells to Pros at deeply discounted prices - those products are then sold at full retail price (if not more) to retail customers who were unable to get the products directly from MAC. The Pro member makes the 40% and MAC loses the difference.

MAC management could (and should, IMO) do a lot more to crack down on that kind of abuse. It's a way bigger fish to fry.

Let's see now...how many people have I managed to piss off?
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Corally

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:agree: oh i have absolutely positively NOOOO prob returning a makeup product i know im not gonna use and i don care if they destroy it, feed it to aliens or use it to paint!!! but i do try my hardest to NOT return but if i give it 3 goes n it doesnt work...back to the store it goes cuz i spend too much moniez aka penn-yayz to let it sit n do nothing. now i will give some away if i like it but im not wearin it much but like i had that mac pressed powder (the translucent one) and i swear each n ery time i used it i just could NOT get with it soooo i took it back to swap for the loose one!! another reason why i shop at places with good return policies but honeychiiiiild aint no shame in MY game when returning shyt :pooh: CHOSENONE, u should think of having like a swap or sell em cuz what might not work for u works for someone else!!
LOL! 
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 I return makeup too when it absolutely doesn't work for me. Or I swap it.
You can't even return makeup here. :finger: Holland.
 

Genn

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it's a store! I was taken back when she said that like whoa really? Lol She made it clear that she expects things to go quickly. I know that when the Marilyn Monroe collection launched , they were out of the lipsticks and beauty powder within 2 hours of the store opening.
The macys counter I went to only got 3 Forever Marilyn's and one was a demo. I just happened to get the last one. I was the second customer in line.
 

KiKi Kontour

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The macys counter I went to only got 3 Forever Marilyn's and one was a demo. I just happened to get the last one. I was the second customer in line.
and see i think that is totally crazy KNOWING how much hype and anticipating goes into wanting these LE's and sadly not everyone gets a chance to get their hands on em! that's another reason why i really dnt consider doing "BU"'s becuz i want others to get a chance to own em. then i hate how greedy folks get more than 2 n sell em for ridiculous prices on ebay like really...
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MACerette

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I guarantee that MAC has figured returns into their model and has likely decided that hype with a small increase in returns generates a larger profit for them than lower hype with less returns. Given that I buy bucketloads of product at full retail price, returning a couple of products a year doesn't come anywhere NEAR making me a cost to others. I'm pure profit to that company, and so is everyone else who buys virtual Pro quantities at full retail price. MAC would rather me buy more and return the odd product than err on the side of caution and buy way less.

I don't doubt that there are some who order way more than they intend/can afford to keep and then return heaps of it. Would someone like that impact the bottom line negatively? Yes, of course. But the mega-buyers here who return the odd lippie because they just can't make it work for them (after buying and keeping 30+ other products during the year) aren't hurting anyone. It would be nice to never get it wrong, but that's almost impossible and MACs business practices certainly don't help.

I've done this kind of marketing/product/distribution analysis professionally for more years than I care to admit to. ;) I stand by my opinion - if you didn't like the lippie you had to order online the second it appeared or risk not getting it at all then you should have no qualms about returning it. MAC knows very well that will happen sometimes and has chosen to accept that risk.

I'll go out on a limb and say that I'm all but certain (even without unit costs and modelling) that Pro customers who buy large quantities and then sell to retail customers at full price cost MAC WAY more in lost profits than a retail customer who does an occasional return. MAC sells to Pros at deeply discounted prices - those products are then sold at full retail price (if not more) to retail customers who were unable to get the products directly from MAC. The Pro member makes the 40% and MAC loses the difference.

MAC management could (and should, IMO) do a lot more to crack down on that kind of abuse. It's a way bigger fish to fry.

Let's see now...how many people have I managed to piss off?
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Not me. Even though I have only returned an occasional foundation and mascara due to allergic reaction and I have never returned anything because it didn't work for me colourwise / texturewise I agree with you. You have every right to your opinion and you do not need to answer to anybody here.

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singer82

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I just bought 3 different concert tix so I'm hoping I can gather some money before this releases! But without the color story and swatches I'm not too sure I'll get much now.
 
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