2008 Presidential Candidates Comparison ( Side By side)... DOn't know what to think.

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SkylarV217

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Oh wait she didn't hell she stayed when he said that if you didn't agree with Bush you'd go to hell

I had a long reply typed out about the article but I'll just say this :

I feel that one or two services as stated by the article is a far different matter than 20 years of attendance. Although I do agree that is hate was being taught she should have left ...
 

SkylarV217

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I won't even watch this I'll just direct you to Urban Legends Reference Pages


Thank you for posting this site but all the issues on the site that were refereed to in the video were true according to the site you posted and the biggest ones for me were not addressed... I do like the site though =)

Have fun shopping .... I love shopping for the little ones =)
 

Lapis

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I HAULED at Gymbo yesterday. Baby Sale rules!

OMG so true
I came out dh asked how is that bag a pair of tights and 1 dress?
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florabundance

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Sarah Palin: Sarah Palin's "Feminism" Is Irrelevant To Her Irresponsible Record

A lot of people including the much-loved Gloria Steinem, are talking about whether or not Sarah Palin was the "feminist" choice for Vice President. "This isn't the first time a boss has picked an unqualified woman just because she agrees with him and opposes everything most other women want and need," Steinem argues in the L.A. Times today. "Feminism has never been about getting a job for one woman. It's about making life more fair for women everywhere." While I happen to agree with Steinem, I think focusing on Palin's feminist cred or lack thereof is a canard, just like the focus on her knocked up daughter, Bristol. However, I will say again: instead of focusing on her children or her potency as a symbol, let's take some of those ridiculous claims Palin is making about her motherhood-as-VP-qualification to task instead.

In her speech last night, Palin said, "I signed up for the PTA because I wanted to make my kids' public education even better." Her focus on public education in Wasilla really paid off when she was mayor: during her tenure researchers at Johns Hopkins deemed Wasilla High School "a dropout factory." Apparently 60% or fewer freshman who start off at Wasilla High go on to graduate.

But that's not the only contradiction Palin made last night. The AP has a rundown of the outright lies Palin told last night. Here's my favorite: Palin said, "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate." The AP notes that Obama "has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year…In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation."

Gloria Steinem says that even though Palin is the wrong woman with the wrong message, she herself is drunk on "hope-o-hol" and believes people will see through the smokescreen of feminism and the already-tired "hockey mom" rhetoric.. And so far, Steinem is right. According to random polling of 800 women on Sunday and Monday, "50 percent of women voters felt McCain picked Palin out of political expediency and not because he believes she has the experience to do the job," the Daily Kos reports. Hope-o-hol for all!!!
 

Delilah

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In Australia, we hear a lot about the US election. Frankly, I'm incredibly surprised that during one of the US's darkest economic periods - a time when your country has the highest percentage of people in the industrialised world living in poverty, people are still considering sticking with a party with no cohesive plan for action to combat the multitude of issues ordinary Americans face.

How easily the past horrors of the Republican party are forgotten. The untold terrors that have been wreaked upon the middle east that turned the phrase 'collateral damage' into common vernacular. Hurricane Katrina and the complete lack of action. The War for Oil - where we were all LIED TO repeatedly. Republicans have brought nothing but arrogance to the world stage. If only the US knew (or cared) what the world thought of them now, how often they collectively are derided.

I've done a lot of reading as well and I have to be honest - the American media is more biased than the Chinese. It's no wonder people struggle to sort fact from fiction.
 

red

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In Australia, we hear a lot about the US election. Frankly, I'm incredibly surprised that during one of the US's darkest economic periods - a time when your country has the highest percentage of people in the industrialised world living in poverty, people are still considering sticking with a party with no cohesive plan for action to combat the multitude of issues ordinary Americans face.

How easily the past horrors of the Republican party are forgotten. The untold terrors that have been wreaked upon the middle east that turned the phrase 'collateral damage' into common vernacular. Hurricane Katrina and the complete lack of action. The War for Oil - where we were all LIED TO repeatedly. Republicans have brought nothing but arrogance to the world stage. If only the US knew (or cared) what the world thought of them now, how often they collectively are derided.

I've done a lot of reading as well and I have to be honest - the American media is more biased than the Chinese. It's no wonder people struggle to sort fact from fiction.


yes and no my friend
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speaking as a Democrat, it's true we thrived under Clinton (as an example) .. but this is because Republican presidents before him paved the way
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Clinton knew about Al-Qaeda as well my friend ... (in fairness to both sides)

I'm pretty sick and tired of the US constantly being blamed for its greediness on oil, and we do everything for the oil ... well my friend, we've got plenty right here at home, its just that the Democrats won't let us drill .. we've got billion of barrels just waiting out there .. right here ...

p.s. true on the poverty level statistics, a sad reality :-(
 

Lapis

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I know taxes are necessary It's when your taxes are being raised to pay for things you don't agree with. Not every one wasn't a nationalized health care plan. I actually believe its a hot button issue.

Did you read the links I posted?
The fact is that McCain will cost us MORE in taxes than Obama, I linked a calculator you can do, it's the top percentage wage earners who will pay more taxes under Obama

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Thank you for posting this site but all the issues on the site that were refereed to in the video were true according to the site you posted and the biggest ones for me were not addressed... I do like the site though =)

Have fun shopping .... I love shopping for the little ones =)


It deals with the hand over heart issue and so on that someone else posted about
Most of the email forwards like the one you posted are on there and refuted
 

Shimmer

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In Australia, we hear a lot about the US election. Frankly, I'm incredibly surprised that during one of the US's darkest economic periods - a time when your country has the highest percentage of people in the industrialised world living in poverty, people are still considering sticking with a party with no cohesive plan for action to combat the multitude of issues ordinary Americans face.

Neither party has a cohesive plan.
A plan is only as cohesive as its leaders' ability to put it into action.
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How easily the past horrors of the Republican party are forgotten.

As easily as their good deeds have been.
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The untold terrors that have been wreaked upon the middle east that turned the phrase 'collateral damage' into common vernacular.

Along with untold actions on other soils in other groups names, whether it's Al Qaeda, Islam, or Ye of the Great Spaghetti Monster.
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Hurricane Katrina and the complete lack of action.

Ah. Yes. Katrina. It would seem to me that it would be an intelligent action on anyone's part to take part in a mandatory evacuation. As in gtfo of Dodge. It would also seem to me that it would be an intelligent action to follow protocol when in role of the Mayor of NOLA and the Gov. of LA. Just sayin'. There are steps that have to be taken and action can't be taken until the necessary steps are taken.
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The War for Oil - where we were all LIED TO repeatedly. Republicans have brought nothing but arrogance to the world stage. If only the US knew (or cared) what the world thought of them now, how often they collectively are derided.

*blink*
Because all Americans are Republicans. Or Democrats.
What would the rest of the world say if it knew that fewer and fewer Americans are worrying about what it thinks of them? If it knew that more and more Americans are leaning to taking care of ourselves and hell with the rest of it.
What would the rest of the world say during the next tsunami, drought, hurricane, genocide, mass murder if we simply didn't help, didn't aid, and let the rest of the world fend for itself?
I'd imagine it wouldn't be happy.
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I've done a lot of reading as well and I have to be honest - the American media is more biased than the Chinese. It's no wonder people struggle to sort fact from fiction.

Indeed.

It amuses me how often people forget the role of Congress and how it affects our country.
 

darkwater_soul

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Neither party has a cohesive plan.
A plan is only as cohesive as its leaders' ability to put it into action.

As easily as their good deeds have been.

Along with untold actions on other soils in other groups names, whether it's Al Qaeda, Islam, or Ye of the Great Spaghetti Monster.

Ah. Yes. Katrina. It would seem to me that it would be an intelligent action on anyone's part to take part in a mandatory evacuation. As in gtfo of Dodge. It would also seem to me that it would be an intelligent action to follow protocol when in role of the Mayor of NOLA and the Gov. of LA. Just sayin'. There are steps that have to be taken and action can't be taken until the necessary steps are taken.

*blink*
Because all Americans are Republicans. Or Democrats.
What would the rest of the world say if it knew that fewer and fewer Americans are worrying about what it thinks of them? If it knew that more and more Americans are leaning to taking care of ourselves and hell with the rest of it.
What would the rest of the world say during the next tsunami, drought, hurricane, genocide, mass murder if we simply didn't help, didn't aid, and let the rest of the world fend for itself?
I'd imagine it wouldn't be happy.


Indeed.

It amuses me how often people forget the role of Congress and how it affects our country.


I hear that. Amazing, how we all forget that one semester in high school about US Government.
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SkylarV217

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Did you read the links I posted?
I deals with the hand over heart issue and so on that someone else posted about
Most of the email forwards like the one you posted are on there and refuted


Yes I did read the links ... The urban legend one didn't deal with any of the subjects from the e-mail I posted or the Video other than the Hand over heart and the American flag pin. But thank you for posting it.
 

Shimmer

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I hear that. Amazing, how we all forget that one semester in high school about US Government.
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Because obviously the President (Republican) acts alone. Things that directly affect the American constituents don't ever go before our Democratic Congress, and our lovely Nancy Pelosi would never cherry pick what goes up for vote. Obviously.
 

kimmy

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How easily the past horrors of the Republican party are forgotten. The untold terrors that have been wreaked upon the middle east that turned the phrase 'collateral damage' into common vernacular. Hurricane Katrina and the complete lack of action. The War for Oil - where we were all LIED TO repeatedly. Republicans have brought nothing but arrogance to the world stage. If only the US knew (or cared) what the world thought of them now, how often they collectively are derided.

how easily the horrors of 9/11 are apparently forgotten, as well.

we did not go into the middle east with oil on the forefront of our minds. we went to the middle east after we found out that the people responsible for the attacks were being funded by countries like iraq and afghanistan.

i really, honestly do not know how people have forgotten what happened that day...and if they haven't forgotten, how easy it is for them to just act like we didn't need to take any action in response to it.

war is an ugly thing, but sometimes it's needed. there's no two ways about it. for you living in australia, there are different things at stake than for those of us living in the states. i can promise you that if 9/11 went on and we didn't respond to it in the way we did, the majority of my fellow citizens would be living in constant fear because al qaeda would not have stopped at new york/washington dc.
 

Beauty Mark

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I think it's incredibly unfair to blame the entire US or not intelligent for the US to base its actions off of peer pressure. The last two elections were close for president, and I imagine the House and Senate rep elections may have been close, too.

I don't agree with the US going into Iraq (well, now I think that the mess needs to be cleaned up, so I'm not for immediate withdrawal), and I do think it's highly questionable why we went. However, I think appealing to people with rational argument is the best way, rather than turning things into popularity.

BTW, I'm not a huge Rage Against the Machine fan, but remember the the video for "Testify"? It drew a lot of similarities between Bush and Gore, through stuff they've said (phrases) and other things.
 

SkylarV217

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I don't agree with the US going into Iraq (well, now I think that the mess needs to be cleaned up, so I'm not for immediate withdrawal), and I do think it's highly questionable why we went. However, I think appealing to people with rational argument is the best way, rather than turning things into popularity.

The thing is, that when the war was declared the general consensus was agreement within America... I believe the problem came with the information the American people were given when lets say the focus of the war shifted... I know the government can't tell the people everything... but trying to deceive them. You loose peoples support when that happens , which i believe has lead to the overwhelming desire of the American people to oppose the the war. I also feel that we need to follow up with what was started in order to keep what ever progress that may have been made rather than opening the gates for another terrorism oriented group of people to take power. In short what I'm saying Is that I think I agree with you. I hate the way things have happened, but simply letting everything that has been worked for go to hell is not a good choice either.
 

Shimmer

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Really?

If we did it was the most retarded decision ever. It cost the Republican party pretty much everything, and has stressed our economy (the cost of oil/fuel) to the point of breaking, several times.
Those are the types of things advisers are paid to foresee.
 

Shadowy Lady

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how easily the horrors of 9/11 are apparently forgotten, as well.

we did not go into the middle east with oil on the forefront of our minds. we went to the middle east after we found out that the people responsible for the attacks were being funded by countries like iraq and afghanistan.
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I didn't want to get involved in this as political discussions always turn into arguments. However, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Afganistan, yes, that is where the Wahabi's funded by Saudi Arabia and responsible for the 9/11 attack are based. I would like to see documentation that says otherwise and blames Iraq for 9/11.

Btw, I'm glad I'm not American so I don't have to vote. I don't like any of the two main candidates. Too bad Ron Paul couldn't make it
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It's the same here in Canada though, I'm not impressed with either Conservative nor Liberal parties.
 

SkylarV217

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Really?

The War was originally entered into because of the "weapons of Mass destruction". After 9/11 America b/c aware of the horrible things that could come of terrorism. So the war was originaly entered into to stop the supposed weapons of Mass destruction and to "dethrone" Saddam Hussein and stop his support of terrorism.

It didn't start as an oil thing, its already been mentioned in the thread that the US has plenty of oil within it's own boarders ...( Alaska) but the Democratic party is opposed to drilling at this time so our government system is at a stalemate...

I'm not saying the U.S's motives were pure in this war, but it wasn't simply about oil ... If anything it would be a solution to a "bruised ego"...
 

Beauty Mark

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The thing is, that when the war was declared the general consensus was agreement within America... I believe the problem came with the information the American people were given when lets say the focus of the war shifted... I know the government can't tell the people everything... but trying to deceive them. You loose peoples support when that happens , which i believe has lead to the overwhelming desire of the American people to oppose the the war. I also feel that we need to follow up with what was started in order to keep what ever progress that may have been made rather than opening the gates for another terrorism oriented group of people to take power. In short what I'm saying Is that I think I agree with you. I hate the way things have happened, but simply letting everything that has been worked for go to hell is not a good choice either.

I'm a US citizen, I read a lot of news, and I still didn't agree with going to Iraq, like many people.

However, I don't think Iraq is stable enough to leave. I wish that the US didn't need to be there to keep at current stability (which isn't that great, IMO). I think it's incredibly naive for people to demand immediate withdrawal.

It bothers me that it doesn't seem like there's a exit plan.
 

florabundance

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The War was originally entered into because of the "weapons of Mass destruction". After 9/11 America b/c aware of the horrible things that could come of terrorism. So the war was originaly entered into to stop the supposed weapons of Mass destruction and to "dethrone" Saddam Hussein and stop his support of terrorism.


But wasn't there a whole media frenzy regarding the fact that the Bush Administration were well aware there were no weapons of mass destruction. And also that Saddam Hussein really had nothing to do with September 11th.
 
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