2008 Presidential Candidates Comparison ( Side By side)... DOn't know what to think.

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MAC_Whore

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What the fuck is he on about? I love it when Hollywood gets into politics. It's just so predictable and so annoying.

Matt Damon calls Palin a 'disaster' - MSN Video

Pretty demeaning if you ask me, but then again, he did play in 'Stuck on You', so he's probably the right person to listen to for political advice.
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kimmy

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What the fuck is he on about? I love it when Hollywood gets into politics. It's just so predictable and so annoying.

Matt Damon calls Palin a 'disaster' - MSN Video

Pretty demeaning if you ask me, but then again, he did play in 'Stuck on You', so he probably is the right person to listen to for political advice.
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hhhaaahaha. when asked about sarah palin, pamela anderson said "i can't stand her. she can suck it." wow, eloquent.
 

melozburngr

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Wow, thats a pretty big judgement! Perhaps you haven't heard but birth control & condoms are only about 98% effective so that means that while you were being "responsible" you still had a 2% chance of getting pregnant. I take offense when someone says that people who have had abortions are clearly irresponsible. Abortion isn't quite as black and white as you'd like to make it seem.

I think she was alluding to the fact that there are so many women use abortion as a method of birth control, because they AREN'T being responsible, because being responsible isn't fun- it may kill the moment to put on a condom, or not have sex altogether. Sucks being an adult, but if you're responsible enough to have sex, you need to be responsible enough to deal with the possible consequences of it.

if condoms and other methods of birth control are only 98% effective, the 2% doesn't always mean the woman is getting pregnant, it simply means the condom failed, STDs were transmitted, etc.

I am VERY Pro-choice, and while there are very few instances where I think it is acceptable, it is MY body, and therefore, my choice. I doubt that I could ever have an abortion. Granted, there are situations that it would be exceptionally hard but, I feel, necessary, (i.e. rape, in the event that the fetus would potentially kill the mother, etc) Also, would it be better if a child was aborted rather than being birthed into a life of starvation, poverty, and possible neglect? There are several points that one could discuss.

Its just a shame that the women that were perhaps being irresponsible or even had an accident and decide that an abortion is the best route automatically rule out the choice of adoption. There are so many couples out there who would love a child. Any child.


Dunno, just my 2¢.
 

purrtykitty

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Originally Posted by MAC_Whore
What the fuck is he on about? I love it when Hollywood gets into politics. It's just so predictable and so annoying.

Yeah, don't even get me started on Oprah.
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MAC_Whore

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hhhaaahaha. when asked about sarah palin, pamela anderson said "i can't stand her. she can suck it." wow, eloquent.

Something just occurred to me. Pam Anderson is Canadian. Hey Pam, why don't you worry about the messy issues going on in Canada's upper politics at the moment, k?

ETA: Here's video of Pam

YouTube - Pam to Sarah Palin: "Suck It!"
 

mittens

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I definitely agree w/ everyone researching for themselves. I had a longer comment here, but eh, I don't want to get into this kinda discussion anymore.

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Shimmer

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Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005

John McCain, from the Congressional Record, May 25, 2006:

For years I have been concerned about the regulatory structure that governs Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--known as Government-sponsored entities or GSEs--and the sheer magnitude of these companies and the role they play in the housing market. OFHEO's report this week does nothing to ease these concerns. In fact, the report does quite the contrary. OFHEO's report solidifies my view that the GSEs need to be reformed without delay.

I join as a cosponsor of the Federal Housing Enterprise Regulatory Reform Act of 2005, S. 190, to underscore my support for quick passage of GSE regulatory reform legislation. If Congress does not act, American taxpayers will continue to be exposed to the enormous risk that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac pose to the housing market, the overall financial system, and the economy as a whole.

I urge my colleagues to support swift action on this GSE reform legislation.

Source

This isn't the earliest McCain spoke out against the GSE's excesses either. On September 10, 2003, he signed on as cosponsor of Search Results - THOMAS (Library of Congress)
 

miss_cinday

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Originally Posted by MAC_Whore
What the fuck is he on about? I love it when Hollywood gets into politics. It's just so predictable and so annoying.

Matt Damon calls Palin a 'disaster' - MSN Video

Pretty demeaning if you ask me, but then again, he did play in 'Stuck on You', so he's probably the right person to listen to for political advice.
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So just because he's from Hollywood its predictable and annoying? Is he not allowed to give his opinion when asked about the upcoming elections like you and I just because he is from Hollywood? And what advice was he giving? From the video I didn't hear any advice I only heard that he wanted to get more info about her. Yes, his comments on her being a hockey mom and believing dinosaurs were here not that long ago shouldn't have been said. It just seems to me your saying he shouldn't get into politics just because he's from Hollywood, do the elections and the outcome of the elections not affect him?
 

kimmy

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So just because he's from Hollywood its predictable and annoying? Is he not allowed to give his opinion when asked about the upcoming elections like you and I just because he is from Hollywood? And what advice was he giving? From the video I didn't hear any advice I only heard that he wanted to get more info about her. Yes, his comments on her being a hockey mom and believing dinosaurs were here not that long ago shouldn't have been said. It just seems to me your saying he shouldn't get into politics just because he's from Hollywood, do the elections and the outcome of the elections not affect him?

honestly, the outcome won't affect him. he's rich. both the republicans and democrats will look out for him and people of his wealth. the lower and middle classes will be affected by the outcome, not the upper class.

he's allowed to have his own opinion and voice it...i think people just get tired of hearing celebrities weigh in on politics when they don't really affect them anyway. look at how much time celebrities spend in jail as opposed to what you or i would spend in jail for the same offense. they do not live in the same world we do, what affects us does not affect them.
 

miss_cinday

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honestly, the outcome won't affect him. he's rich. both the republicans and democrats will look out for him and people of his wealth. the lower and middle classes will be affected by the outcome, not the upper class.

he's allowed to have his own opinion and voice it...i think people just get tired of hearing celebrities weigh in on politics when they don't really affect them anyway. look at how much time celebrities spend in jail as opposed to what you or i would spend in jail for the same offense. they do not live in the same world we do, what affects us does not affect them.


i'm sorry, but do they not pay taxes? are they paying for a war they may not currently believe we should be in? is the downturn of the current economy also affecting them? they have beliefs, values, and opinions just like the rest of us. Just because they may be way more financially secure than the rest of us does not mean it won't affect them in some way.

i just dont think its fair to undermine someones opinion just because he/she comes from a different socioeconomic class. my point was he wasn't giving any advice just voicing his own opinions and just because he was in 'stuck on you' doesn't mean his opinions shouldnt be voiced or heard.
 

Shimmer

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The monsters from the id that now control the Democrat Party have transformed that party into a mob of undead extras from The Dawn of the Dead. It's an indecent and disgusting spectacle and I suspect there's more than a few million long-time Democrats who are revolted by it. That certainly seems to be creeping into the polls. No matter the good it once did, the Democrats today present as sick and crazed political party that is so greedy and hungry for power that it will do anything, including selling its country down the drain, to get it back.

Regardless of the race of the Democrats' selected nominee, Martin Luther King's dream of judging people by the content of their character and not the color of their skin has been transformed into a tawdry thing; a dried husk in which they wrap their skeletal remains, a hollow phrase spewed by the ascendent race hustlers of the party and lapped up by their acolytes.


Until 2004, with the exception of Guiliani's second term as mayor, I voted the Democrat ticket in every election since 1967. In 2004, offered the Insane Clown Posse of John Kerry and John Edwards, I voted for George Bush. The spectacle of the last four years of various Democrats reaching for the gold ring did not inspire me to change my view. Only the dead enjoy parties in a crypt. Not even Roman columns improve the Charnal house atmosphere that fumes through the party today.

From the party that gave us FDR, Truman, JFK and even, yes, LBJ, the Democrats have gone through a process of gradual but inexorable devolution to the party of such weak, tepid and compromised souls as Carter, Clinton, Kerry, and now Obama - the ultimate bargainer, the race hustler with an Ivy League sheepskin. But these chestless men the Party puts up are only the shadows cast by the compromises it has made within itself. It has made many compromises over the years, taken in many "causes" each one more dubious and rotten than the last.

As a result of this unremitting ideological promiscuity, the "progressive" party has become progressively more diseased from each submissive encounter. The gangrene that has rotted the body of the party has transformed it into some transnational Dorian Gray. Strutting and noble and handsome when preening before the cameras and the crowds, but putrid and pestilential when you see it as it is in the dull light of its polluted "new morning."

Politics is a profession founded on and fueled by hypocrisy. This we all know. But, at the same time, we also need a politics that somewhere within it has a shred of uncompromised decency, the understanding of honor, and more than a little courage. None of these qualities exists in the Democratic Party today.

For some time, I expected there would be a turning around among many Democrats. I expected that the better angels of their nature would triumph and lead them out of the moral swamp into which they were wading deeper with every passing month.

In the last fortnight, however, I have come to the place where the whole sorry spectacle and circus of the Democrats has finally filled me with disgust and revulsion. The party whose ideals once excited me has become a mockery, a dumbshow, a parody of itself, and a dangerous parody at that.

Instead of inspiration the Democrat Party delivers shopworn socialist solution, numbing boredom, sheer despair, intellectual and spiritual poverty, sexism, and the worst sort of racism seen since it gave birth to the Klu Klux Klan. Classical racism loathes "the other." The new racism of the Democrat requires one loathe oneself first and last, and to accuse those that do not of racism. To paraphrase Bob Dylan, "The Democrats want to get you down in the hole that they're in."

Instead of telling us what sort of New Jerusalem it would have us build as our City on the Hill, the party requires that its members root about in the ghettos of the soul, to ponder the rightness or wrongness of the very babies of its opponents. Instead of waving the bright banners of America triumphant, the Party dons the rags and bones of defeatism and appeasement and moves about the country like a tarted-up Typhoid Mary, infecting all who kiss its chancred lips. As a party, it's a poxed whore for whom no condom is thick enough. It's a death trip.

No more dates with Demy for me. I'll have no more to do with it. I know I'm not the only one. Day by day over the last fortnight, more and more are coming to this conclusion.

In a way, what the Democrat party is somewhat like a first wife thought about at a safe distance from the divorce.

You know you loved her at some point, but you can't really remember why.

You know she was beautiful to you then, but now you can only see the ruins of that beauty, and you are glad you had the best years.

You know that, yes, you must have been happy with her and had a lot of good times, but now you can't remember where or when.

In fact, when you think about her now you can't really believe you wasted all those poisoned years with her just because you believed that somehow, some time, she would grow sane, beautiful, and young again.

In some way, in some universe, that hope should be true about the people you loved. When it comes to the politics you once loved it is never true. When a party goes insane and degenerates into a diseased mass of hate, "an old bitch gone in the teeth, / A botched civilization" it never really reforms.

Like they say in the National Parks, "Once a bear is hooked on garbage, there's no cure."

Interesting article, I thought.
 

glamdoll

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Seriously, I am torn on who to vote. I mean I have an idea pretty much, but I still like to see the other side of things. And for me, I think we should all pay more taxes, instead of borrowing and getting further in debt. Yeah we all like to reap the benefits of this country but "oh no!" when it comes to paying for what we are getting. Typical america for sure.

I hope they get the national health care plan going, that would really be awesome. I mean, for a world super power being ranked #37 in the world for health care is really crappy. Health care is such a business in the US. We should invest more in preventative medicine.

Anyway, its interesting to read all of this, and I can not stand Palin at all. Gosh, seriously.
 

kimmy

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And for me, I think we should all pay more taxes, instead of borrowing and getting further in debt. Yeah we all like to reap the benefits of this country but "oh no!" when it comes to paying for what we are getting.

the problem is, alot of people who are paying a ton in are getting hardly anything out of it, while the majority of the people who are benefitting most from government programs are paying little to no taxes.

we shouldn't have to borrow and we shouldn't have to raise taxes. we shouldn't spend what we don't have. we shouldn't be paying people who don't work to enjoy the same luxuries as people who work forty hours per week...that's called communism and it doesn't work. not now, not in the past, not in the future, not EVER.
 

glamdoll

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the problem is, alot of people who are paying a ton in are getting hardly anything out of it, while the majority of the people who are benefitting most from government programs are paying little to no taxes.

we shouldn't have to borrow and we shouldn't have to raise taxes. we shouldn't spend what we don't have. we shouldn't be paying people who don't work to enjoy the same luxuries as people who work forty hours per week...that's called communism and it doesn't work. not now, not in the past, not in the future, not EVER.


How did communism get brought in here? No one is talking about communism or even suggesting it. This is what happens all the time this so fear of "communism" and oh no lets not do this or that because it will lead to it, yet we are in a sh*t situation as a country.( Red scare anyone?)

We are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt. We keep spending what we don't have, keep borrowing what we cannot payback, and try and "help out" other nations that 1.Dont want our help 2. we need to help ourselves. Taxes should be raised, not ridiculusly, but enough that we can help the country get better. One way or another we all reap benefits, wethere it be public school, lower cost of oil (even with the prices now, we still do have the cheapest oil) just having options.

We need better foreign policy, because what we have now its a joke.
Seriously tell me ONE good thing that has come out of the war w/ iraq? and why the eff are we there in the first place? Iraq is not afghanistan, and yeah Saddam was a dictatator boo hoo, so is Castro but no one does anything. Why? Because Cubas has NOTHING we want, unlike Iraqs oil.

I do think we should pay more taxes, and the mentality of ME for ME is what keeps this country the way it is. Every other nation like Canada, the UK that has universal healthcare arent communist, they arent being forced into anything, and it works out good for most people. How sad that the majority of our debt (our as in the citizens) is medical bills. That is something that shouldnt be a problem, that should be provided to us by our government.
Has anyone seen the movie Sick-o? seriously how sad is it, that people are left to die for lack of payment.

I cannot belive that we live in a country where people are afraid of the government. When they are suppose to represent us. They are in the place they are because of US. We don't live in a democracy, just the illusion of one. And while yes other nations "dont have it as good as us" it doesnt mean that we can't do anything to improve our situation.

I seriously encourage people to go vote. Its the only way to get things done, and even if you feel it wont make a difference you can say you try rather then sit there and do nothing.
 

MxAxC-_ATTACK

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Obama wants to raise the capital gains tax TO 28 PERCENT! its at 15 right now.

That is INSANE, thats going to make the economy worse off than it already is, at that point no one is going to buy or sell anything in fear of losing all of their money.

He also wants to Raise Income and Payroll Taxes.. Sorry but the government takes enough money out of my check already, They don't need to be taking anymore.
 

*Stargazer*

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Obama wants to raise the capital gains tax TO 28 PERCENT! its at 15 right now.

That is INSANE, thats going to make the economy worse off than it already is, at that point no one is going to buy or sell anything in fear of losing all of their money.

He also wants to Raise Income and Payroll Taxes.. Sorry but the government takes enough money out of my check already, They don't need to be taking anymore.


You must have missed the memo. It's your patriotic duty to pay more taxes
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SkylarV217

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People are struggling as it is.... not everyone can afford to pay more taxes ... I work hard for what I have, I don't have a lot and qualify to get all sorts of government benefits like grants for school, food stamps, welfare, wic .... but you know i only accepted one of those and that was a grant to pay for school. The rest I can handle on my own. People take advantage of the programs that our tax dollars pay for so instead of raising taxes how about we reform the systems to where we help the people that truly need it and save money on the people that don't need it.

I also read somewhere ( I will look for a source, but it was for a class so i believe it to be reputable) that there has been more money spent on Illegal immigrants ( who don't pay taxes) for healthcare, school ( that costs a lot b/c you have to hire in more teachers and create english as a second language classes) and so on an so fourth that the war has cost... I have no problem with people coming to America Legally but illegally is a huge drain on the tax paying people and neither Candidate has a good solution on an issue that could save us Billions a year ...

Public education is another downfall of American society. This needs serious reform. No Child Left Behind was a good idea in theory, but it is lowering the standard of education and America is already far behind compared to other countries. If our Education doesn't get better the jobs will move to the better educated countries leaving America with an even worse economic system... Please don't get me wrong I truly believe ALL children regardless of their mental capacity should receive a good education, simply not at the expense of other children. Now this is a point I agree with Obama on , he wants to reform the system while MCcain wishes to leave it ...

Ok those are two of my major issues ... I don't /can't pay more taxes we are barely making it as it is... if taxes are raised ... i will be forced to partake of more government help ( as will may others which will only cost more money in taxes)
 

kimmy

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How did communism get brought in here? No one is talking about communism or even suggesting it. This is what happens all the time this so fear of "communism" and oh no lets not do this or that because it will lead to it, yet we are in a sh*t situation as a country.( Red scare anyone?)

when you're taking from the well to-do to give it to the poor so that everyone can live the same quality of life, that is communism. do you know that an unemployed woman who recieves welfare for three children makes more money than i do working between forty and sixty hours per week? and i make pretty good money, i think that's really saying something. she makes that kind of money because the government takes between twenty and thirty percent of my paycheck before i even see it.

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We are TRILLIONS of dollars in debt. We keep spending what we don't have, keep borrowing what we cannot payback, and try and "help out" other nations that 1.Dont want our help 2. we need to help ourselves. Taxes should be raised, not ridiculusly, but enough that we can help the country get better. One way or another we all reap benefits, wethere it be public school, lower cost of oil (even with the prices now, we still do have the cheapest oil) just having options.

do you think it's the republicans who are pushing to help out other countries? because i promise you it isn't. taxes have nothing to do with the price of oil.

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We need better foreign policy, because what we have now its a joke.
Seriously tell me ONE good thing that has come out of the war w/ iraq? and why the eff are we there in the first place? Iraq is not afghanistan, and yeah Saddam was a dictatator boo hoo, so is Castro but no one does anything. Why? Because Cubas has NOTHING we want, unlike Iraqs oil.


we went through this already in this thread.
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I do think we should pay more taxes, and the mentality of ME for ME is what keeps this country the way it is. Every other nation like Canada, the UK that has universal healthcare arent communist, they arent being forced into anything, and it works out good for most people. How sad that the majority of our debt (our as in the citizens) is medical bills. That is something that shouldnt be a problem, that should be provided to us by our government.
Has anyone seen the movie Sick-o? seriously how sad is it, that people are left to die for lack of payment.


easiest way to get health benefits is to get a job. americans don't value working anymore, and they really should. i have full benefits because i work my ass off every single day for them. there are alot of jobs that don't offer good benefits, which is the company's mistake, not the government's. this again, we'll have to agree to disagree on because i am completely anti-socialized healthcare.

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I cannot belive that we live in a country where people are afraid of the government. When they are suppose to represent us. They are in the place they are because of US. We don't live in a democracy, just the illusion of one. And while yes other nations "dont have it as good as us" it doesnt mean that we can't do anything to improve our situation.

we can fix our situation, but it's going to take alot. alot of people aren't willing to risk everything to change things and that's what really needs to be done. you cannot fix the monster that's been created. the entire government needs to be abolished and rebuilt from the ground up.

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People take advantage of the programs that our tax dollars pay for so instead of raising taxes how about we reform the systems to where we help the people that truly need it and save money on the people that don't need it.

that would be fiiine by me! i can see even taking wic and welfare while you get back on your feet after a divorce or some other life-altering event, but i'm not down for the people who make a career out of collecting a welfare check.

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You know what I would like to see as a prerequisite for receiving aid?

A drug test.


amen. AFUCKINGMEN.
 
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