Biggest Makeup Crimes committed by Women of Color

[FacesbyNiki]

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Originally Posted by Kaycee37 **As for the fake contacts. I don't get it! Why put something in your eye thats not really needed. Contacts keep your eyes infected and drama filled. Why would you bother to put something, that doesn't belong in such an important area?????

Umm.. I'm not liking your tone.

But I love my colored contacts. I wear them to have fun and be different just like you would with make up. Make up can infected your eyes and be drama filled so what is the difference???

 

[lipshock]

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Originally Posted by FacesbyNiki Umm.. I'm not liking your tone. But I love my colored contacts. I wear them to have fun and be different just like you would with make up. Make up can infected your eyes and be drama filled so what is the difference???

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Originally Posted by FacesbyNiki AND I REPEAT!!! Stop wearing Chestnut and Currant with everything dammit!!!!!

Niki, I heart you!

Say it right, sista!

 

[FacesbyNiki]

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Originally Posted by lipshock Niki, I heart you! Say it right, sista!

To me, makeup is suppose to be fun and expressive but dammit, that chestnut liner with Prrr is getting on my damn nerves!!

 

[lipshock]

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Originally Posted by FacesbyNiki To me, makeup is suppose to be fun and expressive but dammit, that chestnut liner with Prrr is getting on my damn nerves!!

Don't forget the Oh, Baby.

I cannot wait until my first customer that comes in asking for Chestnut and Oh Baby. I will serve them and then retreat to the back to have a quick laugh because of all the MAC MAs that post about that combination.

 

[MACa6325xi]

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Originally Posted by FacesbyNiki To me, makeup is suppose to be fun and expressive but dammit, that chestnut liner with Prrr is getting on my damn nerves!!

I love Chestnut, but I notice that quite a few of the MA's only suggest that. MA's could help people by explaining that although Chestnut is a great color, there are others that we should try. That said, an MA asked me if I had Chestnut lipliner and I said yes. The MA could have then said well, let me show you something other than Chestnut that I recommend. It's in the same color family, but it has more of a reddish tone, or lighter tone. I know you love Chestnut, but take a look at 80% which is a beautiful color and works well with these lipsticks, lipglosses, etc. Or take a look at Cushy. MA's can help by pushing some of the other colors. They should come from behind the counter and offer to try these colors on the customer. I really believe that people will be open to change once an MA demonstrates that there are other colors.

 

[MACa6325xi]

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Originally Posted by lipshock Don't forget the Oh, Baby. I cannot wait until my first customer that comes in asking for Chestnut and Oh Baby. I will serve them and then retreat to the back to have a quick laugh because of all the MAC MAs that post about that combination.

Sell it to them and then show them some other colors. They may not know anything better or different. I think we should start a thread "The Biggest Makeup Crimes Displayed by WOC at the MAC Store/Counter. Then we need a thread called: "The Biggest Makeup Crimes Committed By MA's at the MAC Store/Counter. In some cases Oh Baby, Chestnut, etc are all the colors some MA's recommend because I've had that happen to me. I just let them know that I dislike Oh Baby, and please don't recommend Amber Lights eye shadow to me. No disrespect to those colors, but I don't like them and prefer different things.

 

[lipshock]

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Originally Posted by MACa6325xi Sell it to them and then show them some other colors. They may not know anything better or different. I think we should start a thread "The Biggest Makeup Crimes Displayed by WOC at the MAC Store/Counter. Then we need a thread called: "The Biggest Makeup Crimes Committed By MA's at the MAC Store/Counter. In some cases Oh Baby, Chestnut, etc are all the colors some MA's recommend because I've had that happen to me. I just let them know that I dislike Oh Baby, and please don't recommend Amber Lights eye shadow to me. No disrespect to those colors, but I don't like them and prefer different things.

Luckily, I've never had Chestnut suggested to me when I have gone into MAC stores/counters looking for lipliners. The MAs I have gotten have always made such great and helpful suggestions and not one has ever brought up Chestnut. So, you can't really lump all the MAC MAs into that group.

 

[MACa6325xi]

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Originally Posted by lipshock Luckily, I've never had Chestnut suggested to me when I have gone into MAC stores/counters looking for lipliners. The MAs I have gotten have always made such great and helpful suggestions and not one has ever brought up Chestnut. So, you can't really lump all the MAC MAs into that group.

Note, I'm not dumping the MA's all into one group. I think I'm older than quite a few people posting. So, I speak from experience. I remember when MAC cosmetics carried expiration dates and you could go to the counter and there was hardly a crowd. I'm "old school" speaking here and I have had several MA's do this. If this is not the case, then why is it that we always choose these colors. I'm only saying that MA's could try to suggest different items.

 

[lipshock]

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Originally Posted by MACa6325xi Note, I'm not dumping the MA's all into one group. I think I'm older than quite a few people posting. So, I speak from experience. I remember when MAC cosmetics carried expiration dates and you could go to the counter and there was hardly a crowd. I'm "old school" speaking here and I have had several MA's do this. If this is not the case, then why is it that we always choose these colors. I'm only saying that MA's could try to suggest different items.

:shrug:

I am just going to jump out of this one.

 

[MACa6325xi]

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Originally Posted by lipshock :shrug: I am just going to jump out of this one.

Don't jump out of it my sister.

I'm just saying that "a change can come." LOL I respect all of the hardworking MA's out there that do such a great job. I know some of us only want to wear Chestnut and Oh Baby, but I think that people may be willing to try different things if they are suggested. Example, an MA sold me Thrills lipstick, he used 80% lipliner. I said "Do I have to buy 80%, I already have Chestnut." He said yes, because 80% would be better with Thrills, it's more reddish. Well, dammit I had to buy 80%. All it took was him explaining the difference between the two and taking the time to show me why. That's what some of our sisters need. I didn't know any better, well maybe I did, I was just being cheap. LOL

 

[FacesbyNiki]

That's very true that some MA's don't suggest other colors. I'm sorry about that. I guess my rant is more for the ones that I do suggest other colors to and they won't budge from using Chestnut.

 

[MiCHiE]

Y'all are too funny. I had a co-worker who wanted me to try liners so we walked down to MAC and she told the artist to show me "Chestnut", her staple. No offense, but the first thing I blurted out was, "I don't smoke! Do you have something 'pinker'?"

 

[NLoveW630]

This is way to funny..Educate, Knowledge is Power..You know what hurts me the most when I'm in a MAC store?? OK here I go: A Newbie to MAC, a person of color of course. The MA grabs CHESTNUT Lipliner, I feel like just jumping in and telling that customer..Run Forest Run.. I gave the MA a look of disgust, like how dare you not open the door and show that person what wonderful colors we have in the RainBow..Stop and Step away from the Golds and from MOTIF e/s..WT@? Put down Oh Baby..stop being LAZY and do what you are paid to do. But I can't jump in, I just pray that Newbie comes across, a magazine or sites like this one.

 

[PRETTYGIRL26]

Hi Ladies, this is too good, but I think women of color make the worst "looks"
when they use firery RED LIPSTICKS when they are really dark, it makes me want to just wipe there mouths.

 

[NaturalSister19]

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Originally Posted by FacesbyNiki Chestnut does NOT go with everything lipcolor you have. Try Cushy..

I desire for women (all women) to be open to many options - whether it be make-up colors, clothing, hair styles...

...But technically (through years of make-up artistry, study of color theory, and endless experimentation on every skin tone)

...brown [Chestnut] does go with everything. I truly mean the color brown in general, but since were talking about Chestnut l/l, here I go...

With lip liner and lip color, pretty much any combination can be made to work with the implementation of a make-up technique called blending. [sarchasm]
Other contributing factors include degree of application (line width, pressure used during application, line/fill ratio, liner to lipstick ratio...blah blah blah)

If you use a lip brush to blend enough so as to not be able to tell where the l/l ends and the lip color begins - you have made it work. Not saying that this would or should satisfy everybody, just that it does work. I know, I'm really anal.

 

[Twinkle_Twinkle]

It's just so sad when women think that what they have going on is really attractive. Do they not see their reflection? Do they not notice they look clownish.

And again with Chestnut, if you blend it, it changes the color of the lipstick. Not every thing has got to have this chocolate to mocha latte fade blend effect going on. And definately not all the time. Why can't people just let it go. LET IT GOOOOO!

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Originally Posted by MelodyKat Here we go: #1- Helped a woman who was NW50 learn that white pencil is not the correct highlighter for under her eyebrows(p.s. NW 40 Studio Finish Concealer well blended can look AMAZING!) #2-Ivory soap and baking soda is not a proper way to take care of your skin (that is just one combo i have heard) #3- This cute, more mature client going out of her way to "under" draw her lips. (I gave up trying to convince her otherwise and try to show her how to make it less noticeable)......forgot to say all she uses is Magenta lipliner and she mixes it with Morange and Up the Amp But at the end of the day....i am just a makeup artist and not a preacher. I can give and opinion but if they feel confident and beautiful who am I too judge as long as they leave my counter happy

 

[gingerbelle]

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Originally Posted by Twinkle_Twinkle It's just so sad when women think that what they have going on is really attractive. Do they not see their reflection? Do they not notice they look clownish. And again with Chestnut, if you blend it, it changes the color of the lipstick. Not every thing has got to have this chocolate to mocha latte fade blend effect going on. And definately not all the time. Why can't people just let it go. LET IT GOOOOO!

When I was still a newbie to MAC, I succumbed and got Chestnut. I hated it immediately (got it online) because there is NO WAY I can use it and not have it change my lipstick color. Not to mention lipglasses. Everything turns brown with it.

What is the point in having different color lippies if they're all gonna end up looking the same. All I can do is shake my head when I see girls in differnt communities post their FOTD with something like Chestnut l/l and wondertruck or flowerosophy or love nectar or nyphette - they all look the same - brown

My perfect nude liner is stripdown, or cork if I WANT to darken something and OTHER COLORS (what a concept) to complement lippies in the pink, peach or coral families. My chestnut sits unloved in the traincase - sometimes I use it as an eyeliner.....

Also. for ladies who don't want to go broke buying makeup, lipliner is one thing in which I find drugstore brands usually work as well as h/e FWIW.

 

[MiCHiE]

That's what I thought about Chestnut, too. I knew I was new and ignorant to makeup, all of the Lustreglasses I had were pink. I knew from looking at my coworker that Chestnut wouldn't be one I picked up. She's a smoker and blends it with Carmex!

 

[NaturalSister19]

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Originally Posted by NLoveW630 This is way to funny..Educate, Knowledge is Power..You know what hurts me the most when I'm in a MAC store?? OK here I go: A Newbie to MAC, a person of color of course. The MA grabs CHESTNUT Lipliner, I feel like just jumping in and telling that customer..Run Forest Run.. I gave the MA a look of disgust, like how dare you not open the door and show that person what wonderful colors we have in the RainBow..Stop and Step away from the Golds and from MOTIF e/s..WT@? Put down Oh Baby..stop being LAZY and do what you are paid to do. But I can't jump in, I just pray that Newbie comes across, a magazine or sites like this one.

It is definitely the MUA's job to investigate the customers' needs and desires - not to assume anything.

Then there is the other side - not to excuse the MUA not investigating...

As a free-lance MUA for 21+ years & in my three months at MAC, this is what I have observed. WOC that are new to make-up generally are afraid of/ or resistant to color, it can be very frustrating trying to get them to be open. I'm at a $2 million dollar a year counter so the pace does not always support spending the time required with some of the make-up infants to get them to explore. I don't own Chestnut nor is it in my kit, but maybe the MUA isn't lazy. If 8 out of 10 WOC want Chestnut, we give it to them, no questions asked. Lots of customers can be turned off by you suggesting something other than what they asked for - it's a fine line, all in how you say things.

MAC (Estee Lauder, a Corporation in business to make money) looks at it's employees this way in this order:

1 - Sales
2 - Image
3 - Customer Service
4 - Make-Up Artistry

Yes, in that order!

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These aren't streotypes, just trends at my counter:

When WOC want Chestnut, Oh Baby & Chai, you give it to them.
When a Caucasian woman is an NW30, but has to have NW20, you give it to her.
When an Asian woman who is probably a C30 insists on buying NC25, you give it to her.
When Middle-Eastern women get their make-up done and you are dying inside to match the foundation to a T - but they want to look darker - you make them darker. Satisfy the customer!

I came into MAC with this hero mentality where I wanted to save every woman from her make-up mistakes, but you just can't. It is very gratifying when you can open up a WOC to color, or help an NC50 match her foundation perfectly, in spite of the fact that she has been buying NW45 for years. I could go on and on, but as a Retail Artist, we deal with a lot and many times, we can't do our best Make-Up Artistry due to many factors like the ones I have mentioned here - not because we are lazy. (Even though there are lazy ones amongst us)

 

[artoffacial]

all of these mentioned above! I really hate to see the ashy eyelids. thsi comes from using cheap eyeshadow that doesn't have much pigment, so all of the colors look grey no matter what!