Black MAC Barbie?

[GalleyGirl]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer So, because it's "abundant"...it shouldn't be represented? Had MAC come out with a collection specifically for black women/men...would it not be correct, fair, and honestly legitimate for people who aren't within that demographic to state that MAC was being discriminatory?

I didn't say that it shouldn't be represented, but it shouldn't be the only thing represented.
And yes, I do think it would be exclusionary for them to have a collection that was specifically tailored to one race, because MAC's creed is All races...now if IMAN had a collection tailored only to black skin tones, that would be different, because her makeup brand is specfically made for darker skintones, and marketed with that mission statement up front.

 

[lemurian]

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Originally Posted by GalleyGirl I don't think she ever said she was opposed to Barbie because she is white! That seems like an off-base extrapolation.

In the post that I was referring to, she said that if there were a black Barbie she may actually have been interested in the collection. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I just think it's ironic in the context of other things she said, for example that if Barbie were originally black we wouldn't be discussing her because other, more populous races wouldn't have bought them. I'm not attacking her, on the contrary, I was just pointing out WHY it seemed like she was being misunderstood.

 

[Indigowaters]

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Originally Posted by lemurian I didn't quote you. If you'd actually read what I wrote you'd understand that I said that it SEEMED LIKE you IMPLIED certain things. In fact my whole point was that that was the reason you felt like you were being misunderstood. Maybe you just have a hard time expressing yourself, I don't know. Frankly, I don't care. But saying that you didn't say something that others easily gathered from inferrence isn't a defense, it's just nitpicky. If you really weren't backing down you'd admit that what you did say certainly implied that you had no interest in Barbie because she's not black, and is, in fact, WHITE. And I'd respect your opinion, if that actually is your opinion. If people wouldn't pussyfoot around we might actually be able to have a discussion rather than a pointless argument.

No one's pussyfooting around anything. I didn't come out and say that I didn't want a Barbie because she's white because this thread started about wanting a Barbie that was black. I don't have a hard time expressing myself but I don't appreciate someone who wants to put words in my mouth for me. You want me to say I don't want a Barbie because she's white, but I said I wanted a Barbie that identifies with me. Because if I said that then this thread would turn into something that's way off topic and the first thing you'd scream is "She's a racist!" (But then again, I don't want to put words in your mouth.)

 

[Shimmer]

GalleyGirl, Lemurian does have a point. One of the problems is that this thread is actually like three threads...and all three have a lot of the same people posting in them.
I could go back and find the post(s) Lemurian is referring to in the other threads but it would be pointless, except to make Indigowaters feel as though she were being attacked, which I don't want to do.

 

[Indigowaters]

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Originally Posted by lemurian In the post that I was referring to, she said that if there were a black Barbie she may actually have been interested in the collection. I don't think there is anything wrong with that, I just think it's ironic in the context of other things she said, for example that if Barbie were originally black we wouldn't be discussing her because other, more populous races wouldn't have bought them. I'm not attacking her, on the contrary, I was just pointing out WHY it seemed like she was being misunderstood.

Well I apologize if I took what you said the wrong way, but I wasn't saying that if there was a black barbie that I would be interested in the "makeup" collection. Those are two different things. I said I would be interested in getting the Barbie itself. That's why I posted another link to another African-American Barbie because I liked the collection. That's when I said I may consider getting one. I said that if they made colors for darker skin tones rather than lighter colors in the last thread that I may consider getting the "makeup" collection.

 

[Raerae]

It's actually in this thread... it's the 2nd post...

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters I know exactly what you mean. If there is I may consider liking this collection (don't quote me).

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Originally Posted by OnaFyre So, in one of the threads, there was a picture of an actual Barbie doll to accompanty the Barbie Loves MAC collection. Will there be a black Barbie doll as well? The promo picks show black models. I'm not a huge fan of Barbie (but I was when I was little), but I'd buy a black one because it melds a past obsession with a current one. In all honesty, I'd probably buy the white one just to say I have a MAC barbie... But It'd make me feel really good inside to buy a black one. Know what I mean? Comments, speculation, and hard facts are all welcome.

It's clearly implicated in that quote that, "If there is a black doll, i might like the collection."

it's not until post 4, that she further clarifies:

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters I think she's asking if there will actually be an african-american doll just like the caucasian doll that we saw in the pictures for the collection coming out. I saw the pictures of the two models (one black, one white) wearing the makeup in the Barbie color story. I'd have to see some looks and more pictures to know if I'll actually like it though.

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It's basically the, "if there is I may start liking this collection", from her first post which implies that her like/dislike of the collection is based on if there will or will not be a black doll, and Not based on the colors in the collection. It's not until her 2nd posts last line, "I'd have to see some looks and more pictures to know if I'll actually like it though" which reveals that her actual motives for liking or disliking the collection are based on the colors in the collection.

Had she posted something along the lines of:

"I hope there is a black doll too", instead of her first post, which has many different meanings, a lot of this would have been avoided.

I kinda wonder if Indigo knew what she was getting into though when she posted that. The, "Dont quote me" lines indicates to me that she knew it was going to be interpreted incorrectly.

 

[Shimmer]

This is when smileys help with adequately relating a concept.

 

[Indigowaters]

And Raerae, I bet you thought you'd never see the day when I gave you "thanks"

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[Raerae]

lol...

 

[GalleyGirl]

I gotcha, as always, there is usually more to the story.
Honestly though, part of me understands how interest in a collection waxes or wanes depending on whether or not one sees someone like herself wearing the colors in that collection (whether it be in an adverstisement, editorial spread, on a celebrity, etc.) Not because I get offended if I don't see someone like me, but if I do see that a caucasian model (specifically an NC20, lol) is wearing the colors from a given collection, I'll assume right away that they will work for me. (Which I admit is not always an accurate assumption - when I saw Dita in the Nocturnelle ad, I was like, "Great, thats gotta work!" when in reality nothing in that collection worked for me).
I would never not buy a collection though because I didn't see someone with my skintone used though.

 

[GalleyGirl]

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters And Raerae, I bet you thought you'd never see the day when I gave you "thanks" .

Or agreeing with Shimmer! Lol.

 

[Indigowaters]

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Originally Posted by GalleyGirl Or agreeing with Shimmer! Lol.

Nope. I think this is the first time we've actually disagreed. I know we agreed to disagree. But we're cool.

 

[GalleyGirl]

Oops, sorry, I meant RaeRae agreeing with Shimmer.

 

[Indigowaters]

Oh.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by GalleyGirl Oops, sorry, I meant RaeRae agreeing with Shimmer.

I give Shim Shim thanks all the time =p

 

[little teaser]

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Originally Posted by GalleyGirl Oops, sorry, I meant RaeRae agreeing with Shimmer.

lol.. the topics arent really complete with out Raerae and shimmer two cents after all they help keep it intresting rather they agree or disagree "the life of the party on specktra"

 

[Janice]

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Janice

Haha Janice! Enjoy it while you can! :shedevil:

:shedevil:

 

[Indigowaters]

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Originally Posted by Janice

LOL.

 

[cdaizybug]

I know this is an older post but I was an extensive collector of Barbie and I think Mattel's practices have leaked over the Mac. I think it is not Mac but Mattel. Mattel has always been known in the past for not having diversity in it collector dolls. Everyone has made the arguement about Barbie being white and her friends were other races...that is true of playline Barbie. However, collector's line Barbie is represented as other races. That's why you see Happy Holidays Barbie come as Caucasian and African African American. It is not a fiscal matter for them as they have produces AA and Caucasian versions of dolls and the dolls have flown off the shelves. I read through this thread and the was mention of Barbie representing women doing there thing. We all want our daughters to feel that sense of I can be like Barbie so why can little AA girls look at Barbie and feel that sense of enpowerment. When you are in the majority it is hard to notice who is being excluded. Yeah Barbie is just a doll but this is also a symbol of a lot of areas of exclusion.
I stopped collecting Barbie because I was tired of Mattel releasing so few AA collector dolls or dolls of other ethnicities for that matter.