Black MAC Barbie?

MisStarrlight

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
Just an aside here.
When I was in second grade we did a project where we sat in front of a projector, and our teacher traced our shadows onto paper she'd hung on the chalkboard.
My momma put my hair in a ponytail EVERY DAY and my outline resembled the Barbie outline to a really really spooky degree
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Haha, me too...except it was at Disney World where we got the silouette...so it's all framed & probably still hanging on the wall somewhere
 

SARAHluvsMAC

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Originally Posted by Raerae
Where is the t-shirt with the barbie head outline filled in, in white, and not black? I dont think i'll be interested in this collection if they dont have a t-shirt that I can identify closer with.

hardy haar haaar har harr
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OnaFyre

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A few thoughts...

There will not be a black Barbie or any other type of non white Barbie. Only the white one. This info comes from my local store and a visit and subsequent phone call to the LA pro store.

There are black Barbies. And I do mean Barbie, not Teresa. Actual Barbie dolls with brown skin and black hair. I still have some of them in the box. If you pay attention, any black doll in the same clothing (usually pink) as the white doll is a Barbie. Teresa, as with all of Barbie’s friends, usually wears a contrasting color (blue to Barbie pink for example). And the original Barbie is, arguably, not blond, but a redhead- or at least the redder side of strawberry blonde.

It's not a fiscal or practical hardship for MAC and Mattel to make black dolls anymore than it is to make a MAC Barbie in the first place.

This is clearly a race issue, but not in the sense that MAC and Mattel hate black folks. It's rather a symptom of a much larger issue of exclusion of different viewpoints and voices from what is considered the mainstream perspective in this culture with race being highlighted as the most obvious exclusion. There is also the potential exclusion of men, people of different age groups, folks who aren't black or white, etc. I brought up the issue of the black Barbie because that is the area that I most strongly identify with. It’s disconcerting that Mattel and MAC, in particular, continue to participate in this sort of exclusion considering the company motto.
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by OnaFyre
There is also the potential exclusion of men,

ROFL... I can just see it now... Protesting because Ken wasn't part of the collection LOL...
 

design

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wow. all the drama this has caused! as i said before, it would have been nice to see another barbie, but i totally understand when there won't be another one. as a former international business major, i know that the overhead on these things are sky-high! as for character? weird comment(s), but as i said before, i totally see where that idea comes from. the blonde barbie is the universal and original icon for the barbie line.

and i'm fine with that. has everyone forgotten--this doll's way cute! and an instant collector's item!

as someone who is multi-racial, i don't think it should be some "cosmic" dilemma or anything if there isn't another mac barbie of aother race. there are other dolls in the world, and other role models. it all comes down to your own personal choice, i guess. you can buy it or not...its your money!
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by OnaFyre
There will not be a black Barbie or any other type of non white Barbie. Only the white one. This info comes from my local store and a visit and subsequent phone call to the LA pro store.

I'll still wait for the collection's release before getting all worked up about it. The MA I buy from didn't have any information on the collection other than the real basics like lipglass having barbie logo's on the cap, and stuff like that. They didn't even know if there was going to be more than a white doll.

Just because people don't know, doesn't mean it's true. I still highly doubt eigther of these two companies in 2007, with a hugely multi-cultural and world wide fan base, would make such a stupid business blunder as to not make a multi cultural collection.

I'm still betting on more than a white doll.
 

MxAxC-_ATTACK

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Yeah and ive asked MAC artists at my counter..and called mac for several things..questions.. inquiries.. and gotten different information every time..ive come to the conclusion that no one knows much about stuff there.. (like what their brushes were made out of) I haven't asked about the barbie because.. honestly... I wont be buying one either way..

you cant believe everything you hear.
 

GalleyGirl

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
Personally, I don't understand your position. Quite honestly, Barbie as a doll is just that...a doll. It/she means nothing, other than slick packaging and smooth marketing.

I am sorry, but how Mattel and MAC choose to present and market a barbie doll means A LOT about what image and type of beauty is being valued above all others. I don't think its strange that people here want to see a version of themselves represented alongside the traditional representation of American beauty, which is Caucasian (and usually blonde).
 

GalleyGirl

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It's a doll.

Theres a reason why cultural artifacts like dolls and other items are used to study the daily lives of people from the past - because it tells us a heck of a lot about what they valued. Yes barbie is a doll. But as a popular consumer product and cultural emblem, it is a very symbolically loaded doll.
 

Shimmer

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I can to a degree understand that, but as Eleanor Roosevelt said (paraphrased), "No one can make you [anyone] feel inferior unless allowed to do so."
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by SARAHluvsMAC
if you read what she just said she asked and they said there will be only 1 version of the doll

Oh right, because the MA's know everything right?
 

OnaFyre

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Originally Posted by Raerae
Oh right, because the MA's know everything right?

They probably don't. But considering that the MA I talked to at the LA pro store asked the Mattel rep (she's actually a VP of Mattel, and the Barbie Loves MAC collection is her pet project) directly if there will be a black doll when she came to do a presentation for the release, I'm inclined to believe her. Also, the other MA's from my store, my Nordies counter, and the LA pro store also say there is only one doll.

The MA and I talked for a few minuets about the issue of not having a black doll. She told me that she is also African American and dissapointed in MAC. She encouraged me to write a letter or email to MAC corporate, which I've already done. But I would also encourage others that have concerns to contact MAC. I'm greatful for the opportunity to discuss -ahem-bitch-ahem- this issue with all of you, but sometimes we have to take it to the next level to cause positive changes.
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by OnaFyre
They probably don't. But considering that the MA I talked to at the LA pro store asked the Mattel rep (she's actually a VP of Mattel, and the Barbie Loves MAC collection is her pet project) directly if there will be a black doll when she came to do a presentation for the release, I'm inclined to believe her. Also, the other MA's from my store, my Nordies counter, and the LA pro store also say there is only one doll.

The MA and I talked for a few minuets about the issue of not having a black doll. She told me that she is also African American and dissapointed in MAC. She encouraged me to write a letter or email to MAC corporate, which I've already done. But I would also encourage others that have concerns to contact MAC. I'm greatful for the opportunity to discuss -ahem-bitch-ahem- this issue with all of you, but sometimes we have to take it to the next level to cause positive changes.


Assuming thats true, lets all hope it's a wonderfully crafted PR campaign to get people all hyped up over the barbie collection then. It only the most talked about collection in a LONG time because of this drama.

Think the'll have a white doll with brown hair and blond streaks?
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MacArtist

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I finally received a good answer as to why there will only be the white Barbie that is sold in MAC stores. I was told that "Barbie" is the doll that is white with blonde hair and any other doll is one of "Barbie's" friends. I hope that clarifies the situation for everyone.
 

OnaFyre

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Originally Posted by MacArtist
I finally received a good answer as to why there will only be the white Barbie that is sold in MAC stores. I was told that "Barbie" is the doll that is white with blonde hair and any other doll is one of "Barbie's" friends. I hope that clarifies the situation for everyone.

Actually that doesn't clarify anything. The person you spoke with is clearly misinformed about Barbie and her history. It has been pointed out in this thread that there is a difference between the black version of Barbie and the black friend Teresa. As your comment, the comments of the person you spoke to, and some of the other comments on this issue illustrate, Barbie is perceived as only white and only blond, which is the real reason why there will only be the white doll. This perception is incongruous with reality.

Here's a link to a Black Barbie that I had as a kid.
<http://www.barbiecollector.com/showcase/product.aspx?id=150193&t=modern>

And the white one as a comparison.
<http://www.barbiecollector.com/showcase/product.aspx?id=150192&t=modern>

I still have the black one and the 1993 black Holiday Barbie in the box. I think the Holiday Barbies are a the most clear examples of black Barbies because there are no "holiday" friends, the dolls have the same clothes, The box says Barbie (not Teresa, the friend dolls have the names on the boxes differentiating them from Barbie herself), and the Barbie (Mattel) Collector website refers to her as "Barbie."

So, I hope this clears up the point that Barbie is not only blond and only white.
 

OnaFyre

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http://www.barbiecollector.com/colle...bout/tree.aspx

Man, I new Teresa didn't sound right in my recollection of my Barbie friends collection from when I was little. There are actually anywhere from 6-8 different Black Barbie friends- I think I had Dee Dee and Belinda, not Teresa-, at least 4 blond friends, and a bunch of other friends in between. So, I guess Barbie doesn't have a monolopy on blond!
 

Indigowaters

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Ok, so I haven't been on the board in a while and I just had a thought. If Barbie had originally been a black doll, would you all on the board who are not black have had a problem with it, bought it, or would it have just been a doll gone unnoticed all these years?
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Oh, and btw, Barbie didn't start off blonde for all of those who want to argue that Barbie will always be white and blonde. There have been Barbies of different colors, not just the friends.
 

Indigowaters

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
You're, of course, entitled to do as you wish with your own money.
I think the reason the reply was made to your comment was because you said that if there was a black Barbie you might be interested in this collection...and that *sounds like* you're saying that if there's NOT a black doll, you aren't interested in it.

Personally, I don't understand your position. Quite honestly, Barbie as a doll is just that...a doll. It/she means nothing, other than slick packaging and smooth marketing.


Why should I be interested in a product that does not concern me, since so many non-black people on this board have kindly pointed out that Barbie will forever be white and blonde as if to say we don't have a place in what we want and shouldn't want it any other way? And also, if she is "just a doll", why are people so bent on what I will and will not get in this collection. Like I said, it's my decision to spend my money or not spend it.
 
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