How do you feel about this illegal act?

[SparklingWaves]

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=6314

Is there a deeper meaning from the people who did the act? What do you think?

 

[*Stargazer*]

I'm sure for some people there might have been deeper, racist meaning. I'm also sure that it is against the law to fly any flag higher than the US flag. Don't break the law and the people probably wouldn't have taken down the flag. Seems pretty simple to me.

And now that I've watched it, I'm not surprised the guy was a vet. No one more respectful of the US flag and all that it symbolizes than those who actually risk their lives to protect it.

 

[Shimmer]

The only state in the USA allowed to even fly their flag even with the US flag is Texas.

 

[Dizzy]

I can't see how there would be a 'deeper' meaning. He's a vet that handled the situation in a non-violent way and rectified it.

Too many people would have walked right on by and wouldn't have done a thing about it; I'm glad he fixed it.

 

[Shimmer]

I want to hug the guy who took it down. Send him cookies. A case of beer. Something.

edit:

I don't say that in 'racist' or 'divisive' views against Mexicans, I say that as a citizen of my country.

Freedom of Speech and Expression is guaranteed, however, as Ladybug pointed out, it IS illegal to fly another flag (any other flag, even another country's flag) over the height of an American flag on American soil.

Kudos to the guy for having the fucking balls to do it and say something.

 

[MiCHiE]

I applaud him, but a poster in the comments section of that link also pointed this out. Either way, I say if this is your land, respect it. If you're visiting, respect it. Even if you're passing through, respect it.

 

[Shimmer]

US Flag code.

Quote:

(c) No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America, except during church services conducted by naval chaplains at sea, when the church pennant may be flown above the flag during church services for the personnel of the Navy. No person shall display the flag of the United Nations or any other national or international flag equal, above, or in a position of superior prominence or honor to, or in place of, the flag of the United States at any place within the United States or any Territory or possession thereof: Provided, That nothing in this section shall make unlawful the continuance of the practice heretofore followed of displaying the flag of the United Nations in a position of superior prominence or honor, and other national flags in positions of equal prominence or honor, with that of the flag of the United States at the headquarters of the United Nations.

There are no legal penalties though, as far as I understand.
It's mandated by the individual states, as far as penalties go.

 

[MiCHiE]

Basically. There's a code as to how flags are presented on official property, but we are covered by the First Amendment.

As far as the war vet....I think this man fought for everything the flag represents and for someone to disrespect it in the US set him off. If that's racist, I guess I am, too. I think it was more about respect than race.

 

[lipstickandhate]

While I agree it's "illegal" to fly any flag higher than the American flag, I don't think it was appropriate for the veteran to cut the other flag down.

Again, I understand it's offensive to him but, going along with the Jena 6 there, it doesn't give him a right to resort to self help and destroy someone else's property (obviously he didn't hurt any people).

I think he could have removed the flag without cutting it off. That seems overly antagonistic to me.

 

[lipstickandhate]

Also, I LOL whenever the ACLU decides to get "concerned" about First Amendment rights. They are only pro free-speech for people who's politics they agree with. You'll never see the ACLU step up to bat for the likes of David Duke or Ann Coulter or the dumb kid who drew swatsikas on the bathroom stall or dropped the n-bomb.

But, if you're a Gitmo detainee who was captured as an enemy combatant sans uniform, they're practically killing themselves to defend your right not to feel bad about yourself in military prison.

This highlights everything wrong with the ACLU:

"We at the ACLU wholeheartedly support the First Amendment rights of all, and this includes the right of the press to publish stories as they see fit. Of course, this right necessarily means that sometimes the media may get it wrong. However, we urge the media to take the opportunity to correct misinformation, especially about our rights and the criminal law. "

Ugh, the smarmy high-handedness of that statement is priceless. I'm stopping myself before I really get started.

 

[MiCHiE]

Quote:

Originally Posted by lipstickandhate While I agree it's "illegal" to fly any flag higher than the American flag, I don't think it was appropriate for the veteran to cut the other flag down. Again, I understand it's offensive to him but, going along with the Jena 6 there, it doesn't give him a right to resort to self help and destroy someone else's property (obviously he didn't hurt any people). I think he could have removed the flag without cutting it off. That seems overly antagonistic to me.

But, what happens if the situation was different? If Jim, the war vet, had knocked on the owners' door and said, "Hey, FYI, it's illegal to fly Mexico's flag higher than 'Old Glory' in our United States", and the flag wasn't removed, as the commercial goes, "Now what?". I guess he felt like, "You disrespected our flag, now let me show you how it feels."

Now, I totally think the bar owners had a 'suspicion' that they were wrong simply looking at the way he cowered from the news cameras with no comment. This was also an issue that was addressed during the Immigration Protests, where people were wrapped in Mexico's flags, fighting for rights to be in the US. It's just totally disrespectful, IMO.

 

[Shimmer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by lipstickandhate While I agree it's "illegal" to fly any flag higher than the American flag, I don't think it was appropriate for the veteran to cut the other flag down. Again, I understand it's offensive to him but, going along with the Jena 6 there, it doesn't give him a right to resort to self help and destroy someone else's property (obviously he didn't hurt any people). I think he could have removed the flag without cutting it off. That seems overly antagonistic to me.

I think...isn't flying another nation's flag over the US flag considered a sign of aggression? o.o I can't remember off the top of my head.

 

[wolfsong]

Thats one of the things I like about America - the govenment is as proud of its nationality as its people are and rightly so, its stronger for it.

Its a shame that England (government, not the citizens) isnt so patriotic. Here the powers that be have repeatedly banned English/British flags from being put up in public areas so as 'not to offend those of other countries' - i.e. immigrants. This even happened on a Queen visit - the public werent allowed to have flags. This is PC to a stupid level IMO. If someone wants to visit/come to England, then fine by me, i have absolutely no issues with migrants/immigrants as the majority that move here do so to improve their life (many come from horrific environments and experiences). The economy is stronger for it. But they have come to BRITAIN, so they should expect the British flag and the British way of living. If they want to fly their own flags and live by their own way of life then fine by me also. However if they have issues with Britain and its people, they can choose a country they DO like. Simple.

 

[Shimmer]

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfsong Thats one of the things I like about America - the govenment is as proud of its nationality as its people are and rightly so, its stronger for it. Its a shame that England (government, not the citizens) isnt so patriotic. Here the powers that be have repeatedly banned English/British flags from being put up in public areas so as 'not to offend those of other countries' - i.e. immigrants. This even happened on a Queen visit - the public werent allowed to have flags. This is PC to a stupid level IMO. If someone wants to visit/come to England, then fine by me, i have absolutely no issues with migrants/immigrants as the majority that move here do so to improve their life (many come from horrific environments and experiences). The economy is stronger for it. But they have come to BRITAIN, so they should expect the British flag and the British way of living. If they want to fly their own flags and live by their own way of life then fine by me also. However if they have issues with Britain and its people, they can choose a country they DO like. Simple.

I'm for the low man on the totem pole
And I'm for the underdog God bless his soul
And I'm for the guys still pulling third shift
And the single mom raisin' her kids
I'm for the preachers who stay on their knees
And I'm for the sinner who finally believes
And I'm for the farmer with dirt on his hands
And the soldiers who fight for this land
And I'm for the Bible and I'm for the flag
And I'm for the working man, me and ol' hag
I'm just one of many
Who can't get no respect
Politically uncorrect
(Merle Haggard)
I guess my opinion is all out of style
(Gretchen Wilson)
Aw, but don't get me started cause I can get riled
And I'll make a fight for the forefathers plan
(Merle Haggard)
And the world already knows where I stand
And I'm for the Bible and I'm for the flag
And I'm for the working man, me and ol' hag
I'm just one of many
Who can't get no respect
Politically uncorrect
(Merle Haggard)
Nothing wrong with the Bible, nothing wrong with the flag
(Gretchen Wilson)
Nothing wrong with the working man me & ol' hag
We're just some of many who can't get no respect
(Merle Haggard)
None
(Gretchen Wilson)
Politically uncorrect
(Merle Haggard)
Politically uncorrect


I love the Hag.

 

[wolfsong]

Sometimes i wish i could have been born American.

 

[CaraAmericana]

My dad is Mexican, born and raised, and come to this country at 19 years old and built a life here. He never expected anyone to change the language for him in print, he took the time to take classes and learned English. He didn't expect handouts and free medical insurance. He got a job and his own insurance. He is happy here in America but still holds Mexican pride in his heart and blood.

But he is very disturbed and gets upset when he sees the actions that goes on here with the young Mexican population in America. On Mexican holidays in my city it is for sure that you will see cars speeding and driving recklessly and people walking down the streets carrying HUGE mexican flags and plain acting a fool. He asks, what kind of pride is that? Do they show any of this passion for American holidays? And the funny thing is, and this is an assumption but I am pretty sure I am dead on, that majority of these people don't even know why exactly there is that particular Mexican holiday. And what the history behind it is. But I digress.

I, an American and my dad, a Mexican, both agree that was disrepectful and he should be ashame to have even assumed he could do that.

 

[lipstickandhate]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimmer I think...isn't flying another nation's flag over the US flag considered a sign of aggression? o.o I can't remember off the top of my head.

I have no idea.

I do agree with everyone that it was very disrespectful. I just disagree about the means is all.

I also enjoyed reading CaraAmericana's post about her father's experience as an immigrant in America and how hard he worked to assimilate and how proud he was to make his own way. Thanks for sharing that.

 

[lipstickandhate]

I just sent this clip to my father, who is a Cuban immigrant, and he wrote back seriously a 4 paragraph email about how this man should be ashamed of himself and how happy he should be to be an American.

He also is apparently trying to write a letter to the ACLU to tell them they're morons and that they have no idea what free speech actually is and what it's worth.

Then he went on a diatribe about a kid he saw wearing a hammer and sickle shirt. LOL.

 

[CantAffordMAC]

I never knew it was illegal to do that.
I'm proud to be an American (even though our country can suck in some ways) but I'd rather live here than anywhere else (except maybe Canada)

I wouldn't have even noticed the difference in the flags, to be honest. I guess if its illegal, its illegal but I would've never thought of it as that big of a deal. Thats just my opinion.

 

[SparklingWaves]

Please go to http://youtube.com/watch?v=9uOVzQZYE6Y and http://youtube.com/watch?v=5VSDiiRJMcg.

There is a movement called Reconquista. It means Re-Conquer or to take back in English. There is a movement that exists that many Americans are not aware of right now. There are those that feel that this is their country and that it was stolen by the white man. Therefore, they are not illegal aliens.

The congress met the with Government of Mexico. Mexico wants the border to be open. The U.S. feels that Mexico wants this done to help their poverty.

Also, please watch

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...ersusa&h l=en