Michael Jackson Passes Away...

User27

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The man was a musical genius and even at a young age, people knew he had the ability to carry a long running career by a lot of accounts. RS worded it that even though he was a child, he was a "prodigy" and compared him to greater artists of the time including Ray Charles. I remember being a child and seeing him singing Ben to the pet rat and crying and I remember thinking how revolutionary Black & White was. I was impressed with him as a child but that switched when allegations got brought up and I still am undecided as to his innocence but will say I think guilty people pay the cost one way or the other.

In 1993, he came out about what an abusive childhood he had and it's been covered in biographies as well. This man was seriously abused by his father and his brothers verified they all had a strict upbringing as well. Unless you go through counselling for this emotional trauma there's sometimes a pattern of the abused becoming the abuser later in life. If you study criminal cases, look at the amount of people that are abused ending up abusers, rapists and killers later in their life. Do I believe he was innocent? I think 22 million dollars is a lot of money to pay if you're fully innocent of a crime whatsoever and yeah, I know the child chose not to continue with criminal procedings. I'd hate to be the 13 year old that shattered a stars' image while he cried about being strip searched and yet that child was supposed to stand his own and still have strength to get on the stand and talk about what happened? That's a lot of pressure and there are many people that have been sexually abused and never tell people in their lifetimes out of shame and false guilt.

I am sorry we lost such an amazing artist that contributed a lot through damn near his entire life. I was a fan of even Jackson 5 when I was all of 6 because of my mom showing me Rockin' Robin and I was a fan of his solo career. I was not a fan of a man potentially abusing children and then crying on talk shows about what he had endured himself as a child. I'm sorry all the people are so phazed by this as to make jokes, because nothing about this man was a laughing matter but I'm only missing the man behind the music not the man himself. I hope you all handle this tragedy well but I see it being a hurtful mess for quite a while to come and I'm not one of the ones who would take such a serious matter and make light of it. I know people won't match my views but everyone else has expressed their as well so I hope you all are feeling better when all is said and done.
 

Face2Mac

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
Innocent people don't generally settle civil cases out of court to the tune of millions upon millions of dollars. =/

Then Bill O'Reilly should be off of Fox News for settling a sexual harassment suit against him from a coworker at the station
Which is an affront to all women at that station but you know innocent people don't generally settle civil cases out of court to the tune of millions upon millions of dollar unless they maybe just want to get back to their lives on TV
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by Face2Mac
Then Bill O'Reilly should be off of Fox News for settling a sexual harassment suit against him from a coworker at the station
Which is an affront to all women at that station but you know innocent people don't generally settle civil cases out of court to the tune of millions upon millions of dollar unless they maybe just want to get back to their lives on TV.


OK.



Or because in the civil case a 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' standard doesn't apply, and the court can find him guilty civilly and impose whatever standard they impose.
Instead of going through being found guilty, he paid what it would take to shut them up. If he were innocent through and through, it wouldn't have been necessary.
The guy admitted to sleeping with young boys. Not having sex, but sleeping with them. He admitted to providing alcohol to them. He admitted to playing with them.

I totally, freely, 100000% understand the impact of the artist we lost, that's the defining artist of my generation, the generation after mine? They don't have the Michael Jordans the Michael Jacksons, the closest they've got is Britney, and she's an entertainer, not a creator. This generation doesn't have heroes to look up to and see change the world, and Michael was one of the heroes who did it.

But none of that changes the fact that the last few years of his life were spent behaving in erratic, irresponsible, and unhealthy ways. None of that changes the fact that unsettling realities about Michael came out during the trial.

The guy was a genius. Creative. Brilliant. Amazing. Compelling. Changing the face, skin color, sound, and presentation of music for everyone who ever came after him. There's no arguing that.


There's just also no arguing that he was bonkers as a bed bug. :/
 

NernersHuman

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
OK.



Or because in the civil case a 'beyond a shadow of a doubt' standard doesn't apply, and the court can find him guilty civilly and impose whatever standard they impose.
Instead of going through being found guilty, he paid what it would take to shut them up. If he were innocent through and through, it wouldn't have been necessary.
The guy admitted to sleeping with young boys. Not having sex, but sleeping with them. He admitted to providing alcohol to them. He admitted to playing with them.

I totally, freely, 100000% understand the impact of the artist we lost, that's the defining artist of my generation, the generation after mine? They don't have the Michael Jordans the Michael Jacksons, the closest they've got is Britney, and she's an entertainer, not a creator. This generation doesn't have heroes to look up to and see change the world, and Michael was one of the heroes who did it.

But none of that changes the fact that the last few years of his life were spent behaving in erratic, irresponsible, and unhealthy ways. None of that changes the fact that unsettling realities about Michael came out during the trial.

The guy was a genius. Creative. Brilliant. Amazing. Compelling. Changing the face, skin color, sound, and presentation of music for everyone who ever came after him. There's no arguing that.


There's just also no arguing that he was bonkers as a bed bug. :/



I also feel he is one of the greatest cautionary tales for parents who think it's a-okay to thrust their children into the very adult world of show business and expect them to adapt.
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by NernersHuman
I also feel he is one of the greatest cautionary tales for parents who think it's a-okay to thrust their children into the very adult world of show business and expect them to adapt.

Britney Spears
Drew Barrymore
The Culkin brothers
LINDSAY LOHAN

the list goes on.
 

Face2Mac

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Written and Performed by Michael Jackson.

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for the world that I come from
'Cause I've been looking around
In the lost and found of my heart...
No one understands me
They view it as such strange eccentricities...
'Cause I keep kidding around
Like a child, but pardon me...

People say I'm not okay
'Cause I love such elementary things...
It's been my fate to compensate,
for the Childhood
I've never known...

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for that wonder in my youth
Like pirates in adventurous dreams,
Of conquest and kings on the throne...

Before you judge me, try hard to love me,
Look within your heart then ask,
Have you seen my Childhood?

People say I'm strange that way
'Cause I love such elementary things,
It's been my fate to compensate,
for the Childhood (Childhood) I've never known...

Have you seen my Childhood?
I'm searching for that wonder in my youth
Like fantastical stories to share
But the dreams I would dare, watch me fly...

Before you judge me, try hard to love me.
The painful youth I've had

Have you seen my Childhood....
 

KatRosier

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
Innocent people don't generally settle civil cases out of court to the tune of millions upon millions of dollars. =/

Except maybe if they're sick of all the drama and can afford to pay. I know that's what I'd do.
 

aziajs

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Originally Posted by NernersHuman
I also feel he is one of the greatest cautionary tales for parents who think it's a-okay to thrust their children into the very adult world of show business and expect them to adapt.

It's more than thrusting them in and expecting them to adapt. It's the story of parents who push their children. Parents who try to live vicariously through their children and take advantage of their children. Parents who are abusive. Joe Jackson and Katherine Jackson should be ashamed. So ashamed. All of their children suffered greatly.
 

darkorchid

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Just a point here for all of you who still think he 'did' stuff to those boys.
Look up the articles surrounding it and also think about it.

Macaulay Culkin

Corey Feldmen

Did he ever do anything to them?

Sean Lennon?
The other children in the Moonwalker movie?

He had over 130 character witnesses who ALL testified he would NEVER do anything to hurt a child.

The boys OWN MOTHER said the whole time he never did anything to the boy. The Boy's Father was quoted as saying 'If I go ahead with this, I'll get everything I ever wanted...and Michael's career will be over'.

If you want to listen to the media constantly referring to the allegations, then maybe you should continue reading to the rest of the articles to the parts where he was cleared. To the part where there was no evidence. He gave DNA evidence and was proven innocent. The boy's story was inconsistent. The father's story was inconsistent. Those are the FACTS. Try not to have a selective memory about it.

Just think about it. Yeah the guy was weird , he was different, and towards the end, his plastic surgery and vitiligo made his appearance very confronting, but who in Hollywood today DOESN'T look like that?

A lot of his music talks about humanity uniting, loving each other, not judging each other. He broke boundaries because he was African-American and he managed to unite people with his music past their racial discrimination.

I find it very sad that in the end, he was still a victim of discrimination - a different kind. That very base kind, the kind we are all taught about at school. Just because someone is different doesn't mean you can hate them/talk sh*t about them or make fun of them.

Just think about how it would feel for the whole world to be talking sh*t about you because you are a bit eccentric or you didn't look nice anymore before you start saying things.
 

User67

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Quote:
Originally Posted by Shimmer
Innocent people don't generally settle civil cases out of court to the tune of millions upon millions of dollars. =/

No disrespect intended. But, this really offends me right now. The man is gone & the world has suffered a great loss. Can we try to keep this thread positive & honor is memory in a good way? I think he dealt with enough negativity the last few years of his life. I think he needs to be honored with good memories now. My heart already feels like it has been ripped out & things like this just make me feel worse.
 

xxainixx

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Quote:
Originally Posted by darkorchid
Just a point here for all of you who still think he 'did' stuff to those boys.
Look up the articles surrounding it and also think about it.

Macaulay Culkin

Corey Feldmen

Did he ever do anything to them?

Sean Lennon?
The other children in the Moonwalker movie?

He had over 130 character witnesses who ALL testified he would NEVER do anything to hurt a child.

The boys OWN MOTHER said the whole time he never did anything to the boy. The BOY was quoted as saying 'If I go ahead with this, I'll get everything I ever wanted...and Michael's career will be over'.

If you want to listen to the media constantly referring to the allegations, then maybe you should continue reading to the rest of the articles to the parts where he was cleared. To the part where there was no evidence. He gave DNA evidence and was proven innocent. The boy's story was inconsistent. The father's story was inconsistent. Those are the FACTS. Try not to have a selective memory about it.

Just think about it. Yeah the guy was weird , he was different, and towards the end, his plastic surgery and vitiligo made his appearance very confronting, but who in Hollywood today DOESN'T look like that?

A lot of his music talks about humanity uniting, loving each other, not judging each other. He broke boundaries because he was African-American and he managed to unite people with his music past their racial discrimination.

I find it very sad that in the end, he was still a victim of discrimination - a different kind. That very base kind, the kind we are all taught about at school. Just because someone is different doesn't mean you can hate them/talk sh*t about them or make fun of them.

Just think about how it would feel for the whole world to be talking sh*t about you because you are a bit eccentric or you didn't look nice anymore before you start saying things.




thank you thank you. you totally took the words outta my mouth!


R.I.P michael. we'll always love and remember you.
 

luhly4

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Originally Posted by MissResha
read this shit.

Jordan Chandler admits he lied about Michael Jackson?? Awkward Thoughts



yeah, that's what i posted earlier but i don't think it's a reliable source and i can't find anything else on it
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i wouldn't be surprised if that was true though.
 

ms.marymac

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So already some people I know are saying things like, "So who do you think the next Micheal Jackson will be?" Uhm, I think it's not gonna happen anytime soon, actually it should not happen. Why can't he stay Micheal Jackson? So quick to replace-that's what's wrong with music today. I'll save that rant for another thread.
 

Shimmer

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If there were going to be another Michael Jackson, it would have already happened. That was one of the things that made him such a charismatic performer. He was uniquely talented.
 

aziajs

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There will never be another Michael. It's the end of an era. Just like there will never be another Marvin Gaye or Frank Sinatra or John Lennon, etc.
 

BEA2LS

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one thing that struck me is that i forgot how good he was until they started playing his music again.
 

MissResha

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Originally Posted by luhly4
yeah, that's what i posted earlier but i don't think it's a reliable source and i can't find anything else on it
th_dunno.gif
i wouldn't be surprised if that was true though.




i've always felt this kid and his dad were motivated by money.

kid said he had 2 weeks to live. but was in court for over a year. yea ok.

a bunch of fuckery.
 
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