Mothers crossing the line?

lizardprincesa

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
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Peace, Shimmer. Please? Not everyone's experience is the same, and you know that, being an intelligent human being.
 

purrtykitty

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
And, of course as that balance is being maneuvered, the next challenge becomes "When do you let them fall, and when do you catch them before they hit the ground?" So many kids today aren't taught to deal with failure or 'not being good enough' on any level that once adulthood is reached, they're truly clueless about how to handle themselves and utterly lacking in coping skills.

Holy crap...you've met my mother and sister, haven't you?! Without getting into too many details, I totally agree with that statement. So many kids are growing up, never having failed at anything and when they hit the real world and finally fall flat on their ass, it's anyone's fault but their own. The real disservice these "BFF" parents are doing their children is teaching them no personal responsibility. And at what cost...so the parents don't have to be "the bad guy"?
 

*Stargazer*

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa
Peace, Shimmer. Please? Not everyone's experience is the same, and you know that, being an intelligent human being.

Respectfully, given that you've just posted that you have no idea what was in that post since the post was deleted (which I have to say is pretty sad), where does this even come from?
 

lizardprincesa

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
I could answer, and I did, quite plainly, but you wouldn't understand or grasp it. I don't speak backpedal, or paranoia, or floo floos and rainbows and bunny rabbits. I never have and I never will. You made a post (actually several posts) about your family. Anyone with basic 4th grade reading comprehension could quite readily infer any number of points based on the information provided. I don't choose to do that, but I did, do, and will stand by my statement that your point that "Mothers can't do that" and "Women can't do that" is incorrect, as is the statement that fear and respect are alike. THAT is what I disagree with you on, the rest of that tripe? Couldn't care less about your family life, your mother, your father, or any of the other people you deal with daily.


As for respect...well. That's another thread entirely.


Please be nice, Shimmer. Be peaceful. You needn't resort to such insulting and hurtful language in order to state your opinions. Yes, please be respectful. Thank you, Shimmer.
 

purrtykitty

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Dependant on the familial structure in an individual home either the male or the female can be dominant. I have known families where the men were firmly in charge and others where the female was the disciplinarian.

So true, my mother was the primary disciplinarian. My dad stepped in if she was gone, but when both my parents were home, she's the one who doled out the punishment. My husband's father, on the other hand, was the one who did the punishing in his family. It will be interesting to see how we approach the topic of punishment once we have children.

It really will be interesting to see what types of parents my husband and I will be when the time comes. I really hope to foster an environement of openness, growth, respect, trust, responsibility, and love...but I'm sure that's easier said than done.
 

*Stargazer*

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Originally Posted by purrtykitty
It really will be interesting to see what types of parents my husband and I will be when the time comes. I really hope to foster an environement of openness, growth, respect, trust, responsibility, and love...but I'm sure that's easier said than done.

Parenting is so weird. You start out thinking you are going to do X and NEVER do Y and then you actually have a child and you realize how silly you were. It is probably easier said that done, as you say, but if you go into parenting with those goals it makes it SO much easier to do it.

My DH did not have a great experience with his parents so he came into our marriage with the idea that he knew what not to do. It's worked really well for him, he's a great parent to our kids because he knows how to be a bad one, if that makes any sense.

I guess what I'm saying is that it is really good to have an idea of the kind of parent you want to be and the kind of atmosphere you want to create but you might end up changing the game plan to accomplish those things. Which isn't a bad thing, just something I didn't know before I had kids.
 

lizardprincesa

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I don't have to think I know your family, and it's ridiculous that you're acting like I personally attacked you, when I didn't.

But being an intelligent and sensitive person, as you surely are "sensitive," being a mom, perhaps using different words would not make anyone think you are personally attacking them. I am *not* personally attacking you, Shimmer, although you may think so. I don't want anyone to fear to post, as their feelings might feel trodden upon. I believe, especially, as a mod, you *can* put into action your power of writing in a less possibly offensive manner. Peace, Shimmer.

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I responded to something you said in your post that was a sweeping though wholly inaccurate generalization.
YOU said your mother couldn't move people the way your father did, not me.
YOU said your father was the one in control, not me.

if so, why must you pounce? You are in a position of power here. I have felt intimidated in the past...
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You're the one getting bent out of shape because you think your family has been attacked when in all reality, it hasn't. That's neither my fault nor my concern.

But as a mod, and as a person, isn't it somewhat your concern? Peaceful solution??? Please?

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My only intent, originally, was to disagree with something that was blatantly inaccurate in your post. I don't give a rat's whether your family was a real life imitation of Wally and the Beav, or the diametric opposite, and I'm not going to presume or assume anything about your family other than what you've stated here and now in this thread.

"I don't give a rat's..." ???? words like these....Not everyone is as self-confident as you are, Shimmer. I, for one, am not. I have been, however, somewhat intimidated by your sometimes hard, cold words. No more. But please consider my words, which I do not mean to hurt *you*. I find it obvious that you, Shimmer, are as human, & prone to hurt as the rest of us. Thanks for considering.
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
Respectfully, given that you've just posted that you have no idea what was in that post since the post was deleted (which I have to say is pretty sad), where does this even come from?

*blink* *shrug*
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Originally Posted by purrtykitty
So true, my mother was the primary disciplinarian. My dad stepped in if she was gone, but when both my parents were home, she's the one who doled out the punishment. My husband's father, on the other hand, was the one who did the punishing in his family. It will be interesting to see how we approach the topic of punishment once we have children.

It really will be interesting to see what types of parents my husband and I will be when the time comes. I really hope to foster an environment of openness, growth, respect, trust, responsibility, and love...but I'm sure that's easier said than done.


Way easier, but I think people who keep that desire in mind when raising their children have an easier time than those who simply keep it an abstract concept and not a goal.

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Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
Parenting is so weird. You start out thinking you are going to do X and NEVER do Y and then you actually have a child and you realize how silly you were. It is probably easier said that done, as you say, but if you go into parenting with those goals it makes it SO much easier to do it.

My DH did not have a great experience with his parents so he came into our marriage with the idea that he knew what not to do. It's worked really well for him, he's a great parent to our kids because he knows how to be a bad one, if that makes any sense.

I guess what I'm saying is that it is really good to have an idea of the kind of parent you want to be and the kind of atmosphere you want to create but you might end up changing the game plan to accomplish those things. Which isn't a bad thing, just something I didn't know before I had kids.


I didn't realize, prior to having kids, how adaptable a parent had to be to every situation. Everything is different based on the kid's personalities and maturity. It's really kind of interesting from an objective position.
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*Stargazer*

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I didn't realize, prior to having kids, how adaptable a parent had to be to every situation. Everything is different based on the kid's personalities and maturity. It's really kind of interesting from an objective position.
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You are so right. That's something else I didn't even realize. I have to parent my daughters in two completely different manners given their polar opposite personalities.

I think the best analogy I can give is that of spinning plates.
 

Shimmer

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You are so right. That's something else I didn't even realize. I have to parent my daughters in two completely different manners given their polar opposite personalities.

I think the best analogy I can give is that of spinning plates.


Spinning plates
stuffing octopus into a paper bag
putting kittens in a shoe box
stomping alligators.


Yep.


See, we have 4 *very* different personalities in our household when it comes to the younglings, and while the rules are the same for all of them, the delivery and punitive measures are handled differently based on each personality. And 4 personalities is a LOT!
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V15U4L_3RR0R

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I got the best of both. My mum put the fear of god in me and she still does when she does her 'mum' voice but she is my friend too and since I moved out our relationship has changed from 'mum' to 'friends'. I've always been able to talk to my mum though. Just never my dad but that's a whole different kettle of fish.

However as this is the Daily Heil, I do have to take everything it says with a pinch of salt.
 

*Stargazer*

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
See, we have 4 *very* different personalities in our household when it comes to the younglings, and while the rules are the same for all of them, the delivery and punitive measures are handled differently based on each personality. And 4 personalities is a LOT!
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I can already tell that the baby is going to be just totally different from the girls. (You'd be totally surprised to see how big he's gotten since Oct, btw. He's a linebacker in the making.) I can see I'm going to have to re-adapt to incorporate him in the playbook.

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However as this is the Daily Heil, I do have to take everything it says with a pinch of salt.

That is a point we can't ignore
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I'm pretty sure my sister uses the Mail to line her bird cage.
 

Shimmer

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I can already tell that the baby is going to be just totally different from the girls. (You'd be totally surprised to see how big he's gotten since Oct, btw. He's a linebacker in the making.) I can see I'm going to have to re-adapt to incorporate him in the playbook.

I honestly think my girl was the easiest baby, but the boys are the easiest children. My girl's gotten older and I want to find a rock to hide her under until she grows out of the difficult phase.
 

*Stargazer*

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My girl's gotten older and I want to find a rock to hide her under until she grows out of the difficult phase.

Joy. I get two for the price of one. I just know they are going to hit that phase at the same time since they are so close in age.

I guess it will be payback for everything I put my parents through
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Shimmer

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Joy. I get two for the price of one. I just know they are going to hit that phase at the same time since they are so close in age.

I guess it will be payback for everything I put my parents through
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You don't even want to KNOW what I put my mom and dad through.
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