My Issue With SpecktRa.net

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jd-jd

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I stand by my opinion that your post is not kind nor meant to be.

If you had intended constructive comment, you would not have use the word "lie" (some people believe what they believe, even if it might not be true--this is not a lie, it is a mistake.) If you had meant to be kind you might have worded your 'problem' as--how is it that someone can be very pleased with their FOTD and I think it didn't work at all? Are we that far apart on what "good" is ?
 

coachkitten

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Originally Posted by rbella
I don't know why, but I kinda feel this might be directed to my FOTD's.
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I know I'm not up to par & you're more than welcome to give me cc anytime. My pics don't ever look the same as irl, but I'm fine with cc. Most comments that annoy you are the ones I get.


I don't think that it was directed at you rbella. When I have posted FOTDs I have gotten the same comments and I thought the same thing.
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Originally Posted by sharkbytes
I really hope that's not true, because I love your FOTDs. I actually look forward to them.

I agree!
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concertina

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I don't understand why you're so angry about this. Why the fuck does it matter to you?!

And yes, you *ARE* very clearly making this about a specific person. From your own original post, you state you say an FOTD posted today that was 'horrid'.

Again, I just don't understand why you're so upset about this. And as for your above 'snide' post, no one's asking you to be 'politically correct' (which, btw, makes no fucking sense in this context) but there is absolutely no need to be so full of vitriol.
 

coachkitten

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I seriously think that this thread is going nowhere! Let's all just agree to disagree. Geez...can't we all just get along!
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frocher

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Originally Posted by pinkkvintage
IM SORRY NEXT TIME I POST SOMETHING I WILL MAKE IT A POLITICALLY CORRECT POST SORRY I DIDNT KNOW EVERYONE WOULD TRIP OUT OVER A POST... ILL CORRECT THAT NEXT TIME OK HUNNY?

(and yes that was ment to be snide)



Don't you think it's a little ironic that you are getting so upset about being criticized? This was just your opinions, imagine how you would feel if someone had made you feel that way about your face.
 

TDoll

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Originally Posted by pinkkvintage
Can someone please show me where i wrote 'lets leave mean comments to people'? id really like to see where i said that???


'see its one thing to post fotds and get feedback and constructive crit. but its another when you post and everyone LIES and says oh its gorgeous, great lip color, oh you are so talented
please
how about we tell the truth and say you need to work on this or that... your foundation is 8 shades too dark... your hair is black your eye brows are red... you have a shakie hand with eyeliner...
i just dont get it '



where did i say lets leave rude comments?



Right here...


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Originally Posted by pinkkvintage

but heres my problem with this website... WHY does everyone lie to other members... i have seen fotds and i think what the hell is this person thinking posting this shit on the website there is NO way this chick thinks this looks good... see its one thing to post fotds and get feedback and constructive crit. but its another when you post and everyone LIES and says oh its gorgeous, great lip color, oh you are so talented
please
how about we tell the truth and say you need to work on this or that... your foundation is 8 shades too dark... your hair is black your eye brows are red... you have a shakie hand with eyeliner...
i just dont get it
i saw ANOTHER fotd of some chicks make up today
it was horrid
...and all the comments say are 'oh thats gorgeous'
....i just dont get why people dont give tips or how to's... or i dont know SAY YOU NEED WORK and give out youtube tutorial websites so they learn '
seriously my 23 month old nephew could do better than some of the people i see on this site and i get that everyone starts off somewhere but how can they progress when people are bullshitting saying it looks good???????




am i the only person that gets annoyed with this?
needed to vent
sorry


(Sorry to quote the whole original post, but I didn't want to cut out anything or change it...I just put the part that offended me in bold on the second quote)

It's not that you directly said, "hey lets tell people that they should think twice about posting this shit and that they look horrid..." It's not that at all.. It's just kind of unsettling that you are referring to members of the site as liars or putting down people's makeup in this thread.
I would NEVER say anything like that to anyone. I would NEVER tell someone , "Your hair is black and your eyebrows are red." (as you had suggested as an "honest" comment in your original post) That's just plain mean. Not everyone looks the same. Maybe they like that. Who's to say that's not right? If thats what they like, more power to them.

I'm just really open minded and even if something isn't at all like anything I would wear or something that I think doesn't look perfect, who cares??!?? They like it, and I always find something I like with everyone's. I can honestly say that I have never lied to anyone on here. I think everyone is gorgeous in their own right. Everyone. Everyone is creative in different ways and has something different to offer. If you really don't know what to say or feel that you just plain don't like it, don't say anything at all! Even if it says "CC welcome" I don't like to criticize people or point out something bad because I like to focus on the good qualities. I'm just supportive of people that post on here and I'm by NO MEANS a liar, or fake just because I post positive comments.

This is just unnecessary.
 

COBI

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I agree with the comment that specktra is intended to be a supportive community. If someone doesn't specifically ask for CC, then I don't think it is necessary to leave it. I look at FOTDs often and totally appreciate those who post them; however, I don't often respond to them.

That being said, I find that for the FOTDs that I am not a big fan of, the responses are typically not the "you're gorgeous" posts, but are more often the "Great lip color", "nice eye combo", etc. So, I think people are utilizing positive reinforcement versus "sugar coating".

Do you really think it's necessary to point out someone weaknesses instead of highlighting the good points when they didn't ask for CC? I guess I don't see the point of that; is it really important to make them feel bad about when they share a passion for makeup or they are already tentative about sharing? I know that when I look back at older FOTDs for many of the regulars here, I see so much improvement over time, and no one posted CC on their older posts. Much of it comes from practice and having the opportunity (such as here on specktra) to see others work/skills.

Also, so much of makeup is personal preference. There are a lot of FOTDs where I am self-aware enough to recognize that it is just not my thing (such as overly defined brows that overtake the look instead of simply enhancing beauty and shape of the face); does that mean someone who posts that the look is "gorgeous" is lying? No, it means that their definition is different than mine or what they are seeing/looking for in FOTDs is different than what I am seeing/looking for.

I would hate for people to stop posting FOTDs because they were concerned with overly critical responses when not requested. Even when someone's skill is still on the learning curve, I often pick up things from their FOTDs, such as new color combos, seeing lip colors, etc., and even just the swatch component of seeing colors "in action".

I do not feel it is our job to tell them how to improve unless they ask for that kind of input, otherwise I am just as happy to "thank" them for posting. And if someone else wants to tell them that it's "gorgeous", it doesn't affect my life at all.
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More power to them.

I think this "sugar coating" (although I don't really agree that is what is happening per se) is what makes specktra a safe place for people of ALL skill levels to share.
 

ThePerfectScore

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well then there should be a lets be blunt section, so people can be as rude as they want to be! ha Actually, I think the best way to say something is ugly is to not post. If someone posts a look and gets no feedback, then that must mean we were all too stunned to talk. But I do think people come here for criticism, but mostly praise. B/c this is like an art exhibit, people should show off their best work for interpretation.
 

MAC_Whore

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Honestly, a lot of your wording isn't what I consider blunt, it is more along the lines of abrasive. There is a difference.
 

fafinette21

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I think I understand part of what you are trying to say. Obviously everyone has different likes and dislikes when it comes to certain makeup but I don't think that is what she is referring to. For example, someone may post a really bright blue eye shadow look ( i just pulled this off the top of my head, don't want anyone offended, i think blue eye shadow is cool) and I may say alright for me personally that's not my style but power to them if they can rock it. But then someone else posts a purple eye look but it's unblended, their liner is winged out to past their eyebrows, etc and they're like "this is a simple day look". This is a matter of skill versus taste. So while your taste may be different, everyone needs the same basic set of skills. So people whose skills are not the greatest (and they should know if they aren't, believe me, I know I'm far from the best but I do try) should be open to helpful suggestions so they can improve. Why would someone who claims to love makeup not want ideas so they can reach their fullest potential? But yes, the suggestions should always be said in a helpful friendly tone as it takes courage to post things on the internet. Especially things you have done, and things you have done on your own face lol. I have seen a lot of fotds where people have posted good criticism like "i really like this look, but i think it would be even BETTER with a slightly more nude lip" etc. And then I have also seen a lot of fotds where a good suggestion could have been made but no one did. I think some people do the "great lip colour" etc comments because maybe they didn't care for the rest of the look but they found the lip colour to be the one thing they did like. And then some people do it just because they loved all of it, but loved the lip colour the best.
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It's hard to tell what people are really thinking.

I think the one thing I did think was wrong was when someone I saw had a bunch of fotds and it was clear they were very unskilled and they said they wanted to work at MAC. I think everyone knows MAC standards and they were definitely not up to them. But someone said "Oh you should totally go for it you could definitely do it!". I think it was wrong to mislead them in that way. If they had said "Keep improving on your skills and hopefully you get there" it's more honest and you aren't giving them false hope which gets crushed when they are told the truth in an interview at MAC say.
 

TDoll

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You can definitely be blunt and honest and be polite at the same time. You can be blunt and honest, but you've got to know when to turn that off. People can't just let loose and say whatever pops into their heads about others in day to day life.

I'm sorry if you felt I put words in your mouth, but I did quote you exactly and tried my best not to make assumptions. Which I feel I did.

Bottom line, I feel that you can give cc while being polite.
I.E.: You say : "Your hair is black and your eyebrows are red."
Polite CC: "Is that your natural eye brow color? Have you ever tried using a brow filler that is more of a darker brunette tone? I think that would look great on you."


Ok, thats not being fake or lying. That's just being polite. To me, it's just natural to talk like that and say things in a nicer way. I'm not sugar coating. I'm just not being rude.
 
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