My Issue With SpecktRa.net

[laperle]

Re: My Issue With Speckta.net

I'm kinda new to this FOTD thing, once I used Specktra basically as an information source when I've started coming.

Still, I have an opinion about this matter. I don't think it's even about sugarcoating, but some comments just seem robotic and lazy, like the person says 'you look gorgeous', but doesn't seem to have taken the time to appreciate or even read what the person wrote.

I would never post a FOTD, because I don't like this kind of comment. They do nothing for me. I'd much appreciate CCs and especially tips. This is a space for discussion, to enrich our knowledge and skills.

It's a double edge sword thing, because I do love creating a discussion, but some people always think you are being rude when you disagree. That happened to me in a post today and I won't answer back because I know the girl won't see it in a nice perspective.

So, it makes us be silent in a space for discussion. This truly makes me sad, 'cos I'd like to tip one FOTD or two, but I'm afraid people won't get all the positivity I'm trying to bring in a longer term than a brief "You look great!"

 

[laperle]

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I think pinkkvintage is not proposing something to hurt people's personal preferences, but it would be more like a skill thing, technique's tips... that was what I got from it.

And what I think we could have more. People helping each other because they care and they like doing it, not to get a "Thanks" added to her reputation.

 

[COBI]

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Originally Posted by MAC_Whore Honestly, a lot of your wording isn't what I consider blunt, it is more along the lines of abrasive. There is a difference.

I agree.

I am actually a fairly blunt person; I tend to shoot straight in my opinions, and I tend to be fairly opinionated. But with age, I like to think that I have learned to apply more tact to how I present my opinions making them appear less blunt, but they are no less direct IMHO.

In general, I find that sarcasm and abrasive comments shut people off to your opinion more than your actual opinion does(using the term "your" in general versus specifically just the OP here.)

If you immediately put people on the defensive, they are not even going to listen or hear your opinion, and it will even seem like they aren't reading or are continually misinterpreting your post(s).

I have a lot of pet peeves that I have to remind myself don't truly affect my life enough to be worth expending energy on.

 

[COBI]

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Originally Posted by pinkkvintage well this is interesting... Do Speckta Members Sugar Coat What They REALLY Think??? HELL YES 22 62.86% NO 13 37.14% weird.............

I know that I for one didn't vote because I think there is an in-between response that is more accurate than either presented.

The way it's phrased, voting "HELL YES" implies that it is rampant and everyone sugarcoats. "NO" implies that it never happens.

I would have voted for something more along the lines of it "It happens (it's human), but I don't think it's the standard" or something to that affect.

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Back to those who say we should provide tips on techniques & skills, I totally agree (and I enjoy reading the tips provided on some FOTDs, they've helped me as well), but I think it is only necessary if someone has asked for it. I love when people offer suggestions (such as "You should try xxxx, it would look great with your xxxx."), so tactful and helpful and win-win.

 

[purrtykitty]

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Originally Posted by fafinette21 I think I understand part of what you are trying to say. Obviously everyone has different likes and dislikes when it comes to certain makeup but I don't think that is what she is referring to. For example, someone may post a really bright blue eye shadow look ( i just pulled this off the top of my head, don't want anyone offended, i think blue eye shadow is cool) and I may say alright for me personally that's not my style but power to them if they can rock it. But then someone else posts a purple eye look but it's unblended, their liner is winged out to past their eyebrows, etc and they're like "this is a simple day look". This is a matter of skill versus taste. So while your taste may be different, everyone needs the same basic set of skills. So people whose skills are not the greatest (and they should know if they aren't, believe me, I know I'm far from the best but I do try) should be open to helpful suggestions so they can improve. Why would someone who claims to love makeup not want ideas so they can reach their fullest potential? But yes, the suggestions should always be said in a helpful friendly tone as it takes courage to post things on the internet. Especially things you have done, and things you have done on your own face lol. I have seen a lot of fotds where people have posted good criticism like "i really like this look, but i think it would be even BETTER with a slightly more nude lip" etc. And then I have also seen a lot of fotds where a good suggestion could have been made but no one did. I think some people do the "great lip colour" etc comments because maybe they didn't care for the rest of the look but they found the lip colour to be the one thing they did like. And then some people do it just because they loved all of it, but loved the lip colour the best. It's hard to tell what people are really thinking. I think the one thing I did think was wrong was when someone I saw had a bunch of fotds and it was clear they were very unskilled and they said they wanted to work at MAC. I think everyone knows MAC standards and they were definitely not up to them. But someone said "Oh you should totally go for it you could definitely do it!". I think it was wrong to mislead them in that way. If they had said "Keep improving on your skills and hopefully you get there" it's more honest and you aren't giving them false hope which gets crushed when they are told the truth in an interview at MAC say.

I couldn't have said it better myself. There are tactful ways of pointing out where a look could be better. But I think it's also key to give positive reinforcement where a look is good. If a poster received only constructive criticism and no positive reinforcement, I doubt they'd ever post again. For those that ask for CC, I think there should be a balance between the CC and positive freinforcement.

 

[glamdoll]

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I voted it is sugar coated, but I actually like that, because its better than having it be catty and just rip everyone to shreds for whatever reason. But I agree w/ Cobi, there should be something in between cus I dont think its HELL YES I think its more of a yeah, but there is still honesty.

 

[laperle]

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It's all about finding a balance.

The same motivation that leads someone to post a FOTD, motivates us to respond (or not). COBI, I think you no there's no answer, but we are a community and we're humans. We make it work tring to balance things, as purrtykitty pointed out.

And COBI, I feel the same way about you regarding being opinionated and feeling how much the years helped in this matter.

(My english can be strange for you, but it's not my first language, sorry).

 

[lcristina]

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Originally Posted by pinkkvintage I LOVE this website i have no idea how long ive been a member but i know its over a year i love coming on here and getting new ideas for looks and trying to copy other peoples FOTDS and getting comments on my make up from other members this site has really expanded my imagination... im not afraid to do crazy out there make up and i love it! but heres my problem with this website... WHY does everyone lie to other members... i have seen fotds and i think what the hell is this person thinking posting this shit on the website there is NO way this chick thinks this looks good... see its one thing to post fotds and get feedback and constructive crit. but its another when you post and everyone LIES and says oh its gorgeous, great lip color, oh you are so talented please how about we tell the truth and say you need to work on this or that... your foundation is 8 shades too dark... your hair is black your eye brows are red... you have a shakie hand with eyeliner... i just dont get it i saw ANOTHER fotd of some chicks make up today it was horrid...and all the comments say are 'oh thats gorgeous' ....i just dont get why people dont give tips or how to's... or i dont know SAY YOU NEED WORK and give out youtube tutorial websites so they learn ' seriously my 23 month old nephew could do better than some of the people i see on this site and i get that everyone starts off somewhere but how can they progress when people are bullshitting saying it looks good??????? am i the only person that gets annoyed with this? needed to vent sorry

I agree. Most people don't want to be rude so they go in the opposite direction. If I don't like a look, I just skip past it. Most people can't handle constructive criticism or the occasional jerk so they get easily offended if they don't get "Your skills are amazing!" "This is fabulous work!" "Best makeup ever."

I'm not saying we need to be bitchy. Not at all. I'm not as active on this site as I am in the youtube community. I've started posting tutorials, and I am a newbie to this awesome world of makeup.(Just in case you all were wondering "Where does this girl come off? She hasn't done anything on this site!") Do I claim to know everything? Haha.. not at all. If I come across some helpful tips, I'll take them to heart.. (I remember I walked to a friend's house one time, she looked at me and said "You need to blend those colors." And because of that, I have my trusty blendy brush.)

I'm just trying to say that I understand and sympathize with your frustration. I'm glad you vented.

 

[pinkkvintage]

wow
im guessing a MOD changed my post
thats pretty fucking stupid
DO ME A FAVOR DELETE THE THREAD IF YOU ARE GOING TO TAMPER WITH MY SHIT

 

[pinkkvintage]

Do Me A Favor Delete The Thread If You Are Going To Tamper With My Shit I Did Not Sign Up For A Website And Write This For Someone To Mess With It
Delete It

 

[lovekrumpet]

See, and this topic is exactly why I have never posted a FoTD ^_^ I'm a little too chicken to put my neck out there and have someone come along and say "your foundation is eight shades too dark", etc.
I can handle constructive criticism - "You might be interested in looking into *insert foundation shade that is more appropriate* I think it would look gorgeous on your skin/face/eyes/whatever"

I haven't posted much here, but have been a lurker for quite a while. I have always found Specktra to be an amazing community of members who are all ready and willing to help those who want help. Maybe someday I'll be brave enough to post that FoTD, but not just yet =)

Thank you to all the folks who help to keep this site as friendly and informative as it is, you don't get enough credit! <3

 

[MAC_Whore]

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Originally Posted by pinkkvintage Do Me A Favor Delete The Thread If You Are Going To Tamper With My Shit I Did Not Sign Up For A Website And Write This For Someone To Mess With It Delete It

Dial down the hostility. What post are you referring to?

 

[pinkkvintage]

delete this thread

 

[frocher]

You're acting like a child.

 

[Shimmer]

Enough.
I've got way too much on my plate to moderate silliness.
Alligator mouth and hummingbird butts aren't peaceful cohabitants.

 

[Janice]

Not meant to be mean, but that was alot of drama just because a third option was added to the poll.

I think we get the point, and you know honestly - thanks for bringing it up. We had a great discussion about it. I'm sorry you came across so abrasive and it wasn't received well, but hopefully now people know they can ASK for CC in their FOTD's and receive it.

 

[Dawn]

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Originally Posted by pinkkvintage wow im guessing a MOD changed my post thats pretty fucking stupid DO ME A FAVOR DELETE THE THREAD IF YOU ARE GOING TO TAMPER WITH MY SHIT

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[Dawn]

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Originally Posted by pinkkvintage Delete The Post Because A Mod Feels The Need To Tamper With My Writting I Did Not Sign Up For A Website That Thinks They Have The Right To Delete My Writtings Or Add Something To It There Is Such Thing As Freedom Of Speach I Would Rather The Whole Thread Be deleted Than Have My Stuff Messed With

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