People are crazy - Part Two
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flowerhead
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Right....I said your view was idiotic not you hun...& no I don't have compassion for these evil people, waste of fucking lives
GreekChick
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It's not about knowing right from wrong. Curbing impulsiveness, having good judgement, and being able to exercise self-control is much less developped in adolescents than in adults. This is so obvious to everyone, I don't understand how some people can ignore that.
Once we know this, how can we think a 14 yr old isn't "fixable"? I'm not saying DON'T lock him up. Nor am I saying, poor child, let's feel sorry and free him. I simply refuse to conclude that he is an asshole, plain and simple, while sentencing him to a lifetime in prison, or putting him on death row, without fully exploring the potential he might have of understanding what he did.
Originally Posted by Ladybug10678
First off, at no point did I say to execute them, so you can stuff your self righteousness about me being "right up there" with those countries. Second, it is not a "mature adult decision" to know that hurting people IS WRONG. Just because people choose to ignore that doesn't mean they do so because they have something wrong with their brain. Some people are just assholes, plain and simple.The fact that a segment of society refuses to accept that some people are just not "fixable" is the reason that people like Couey etc. are free to victimize over and over. |
It's not about knowing right from wrong. Curbing impulsiveness, having good judgement, and being able to exercise self-control is much less developped in adolescents than in adults. This is so obvious to everyone, I don't understand how some people can ignore that.
Once we know this, how can we think a 14 yr old isn't "fixable"? I'm not saying DON'T lock him up. Nor am I saying, poor child, let's feel sorry and free him. I simply refuse to conclude that he is an asshole, plain and simple, while sentencing him to a lifetime in prison, or putting him on death row, without fully exploring the potential he might have of understanding what he did.
lipstickandhate
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I hate the " no one has the right to judge" people who rape and torture strangers or commit other aggregious crimes attitude. Grow up. I judge, you judge, we all judge.
We make judgments every single second of every single day. It's how you decide not to cross the street in front of a semi-truck-- is this a good idea or a bad one? Its how you decide whether or not that leftover ziti is still good- does it smell good? What if I eat this? Will I be sick? It's how you decide that the guy you just met isn't boyfriend material- he picks his nose, he seems obsessed with Nazi paraphanalia etc. etc. etc.
Everyone, and I mean everyone, forgets that the criminal justice system is not designed entirely as a rehabilitation mechanism or to make the world fair. Sometimes it just plain punishes people for acts that society deems wrong. We as a society are allowed set certain standards for acceptable behavoir. Its called democracy and we do it by electing officials to legislate criminal statutes. You don't like the death penalty, write your congressman. Don't talk about how its "not fair to judge."
I, and every other person on this board, have every right to judge those assholes who rape and torture a woman and her child. Why? Because I'm human, b/c I care and b/c I find that kind of behavoir unacceptable and disgusting. Live and let live does not apply to people who use their freedom to infringe on the rights of others. I'll be writing my congressman too, as I do EVERY SINGLE WEEK, to encourage him to promote legislate harsher mandatory sentances for sex offenders.
I can't even believe I just read " they only raped a woman, forced her son to participate, and then poured bleach in his eyes. Its not like they killed anyone."
What? Did you feel even slightly stupid writing that? And for the record, I don't believe a word of your story. Frankly, I think you're a little girl who has no idea what she's talking about and is trying desperately to be credible in her pleas for clemency for these monsters. And if any of that is true, shame on you for not having empathy for the victims instead of for the sociopaths who did it.
We make judgments every single second of every single day. It's how you decide not to cross the street in front of a semi-truck-- is this a good idea or a bad one? Its how you decide whether or not that leftover ziti is still good- does it smell good? What if I eat this? Will I be sick? It's how you decide that the guy you just met isn't boyfriend material- he picks his nose, he seems obsessed with Nazi paraphanalia etc. etc. etc.
Everyone, and I mean everyone, forgets that the criminal justice system is not designed entirely as a rehabilitation mechanism or to make the world fair. Sometimes it just plain punishes people for acts that society deems wrong. We as a society are allowed set certain standards for acceptable behavoir. Its called democracy and we do it by electing officials to legislate criminal statutes. You don't like the death penalty, write your congressman. Don't talk about how its "not fair to judge."
I, and every other person on this board, have every right to judge those assholes who rape and torture a woman and her child. Why? Because I'm human, b/c I care and b/c I find that kind of behavoir unacceptable and disgusting. Live and let live does not apply to people who use their freedom to infringe on the rights of others. I'll be writing my congressman too, as I do EVERY SINGLE WEEK, to encourage him to promote legislate harsher mandatory sentances for sex offenders.
I can't even believe I just read " they only raped a woman, forced her son to participate, and then poured bleach in his eyes. Its not like they killed anyone."
What? Did you feel even slightly stupid writing that? And for the record, I don't believe a word of your story. Frankly, I think you're a little girl who has no idea what she's talking about and is trying desperately to be credible in her pleas for clemency for these monsters. And if any of that is true, shame on you for not having empathy for the victims instead of for the sociopaths who did it.
lipstickandhate
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I love this. Death penalty opponents always pull this one out. Yes, you've got us, the US is really morally and developmentally on par of Pakistan because we execute people after 24230493258239234 appeals, 20 years after they murdered someone.
Anyway, this also assumes that countries like Nigeria, Rwanda, Uganda, Indonesia, Burma, you know, all the real developed and morally enlightened nations who arent on the neanderthal death penalty list, etc are actually accurately reporting whether or not the state is executing people. Sure.
I'm also willing to bet that if this were a different argument, say about Islam and women or radical Islam, you'd be gushing about how progressive and enlightened Saudi Arabia and Pakistan actually are. I'm sure culture relativism in that context would make an appearence and be perfectly acceptable.
The good news is, I don't give a shit what the rest of the world thinks about my country's judicial system. And neither does the Supreme Court! Huzzah!
| Originally Posted by GreekChick
BS? You're right, science is a load of crap. Because a 14 yr old is capable of making mature adult decisions. Not giving a rat's ass is what is keeping society from advancing. Do you realize you're right up there with China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Taiwan, Somalia, and so on? All of them countries that have imposed executions since 2000. Not exactly the most advanced, overly developped countries if you ask me... |
I love this. Death penalty opponents always pull this one out. Yes, you've got us, the US is really morally and developmentally on par of Pakistan because we execute people after 24230493258239234 appeals, 20 years after they murdered someone.
Anyway, this also assumes that countries like Nigeria, Rwanda, Uganda, Indonesia, Burma, you know, all the real developed and morally enlightened nations who arent on the neanderthal death penalty list, etc are actually accurately reporting whether or not the state is executing people. Sure.
I'm also willing to bet that if this were a different argument, say about Islam and women or radical Islam, you'd be gushing about how progressive and enlightened Saudi Arabia and Pakistan actually are. I'm sure culture relativism in that context would make an appearence and be perfectly acceptable.
The good news is, I don't give a shit what the rest of the world thinks about my country's judicial system. And neither does the Supreme Court! Huzzah!
GreekChick
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Obviously, you didn't even try to understand what she was explaining.
Instead, you're attempting to humiliate her, and for what? Because she is simply stating her opinion? I don't think she attacked anyone.That last part made your post lose all of it's credibility.
| Originally Posted by lipstickandhate
I hate the " no one has the right to judge" people who rape and torture strangers or commit other aggregious crimes attitude. Grow up. I judge, you judge, we all judge. We make judgments every single second of every single day. It's how you decide not to cross the street in front of a semi-truck-- is this a good idea or a bad one? Its how you decide whether or not that leftover ziti is still good- does it smell good? What if I eat this? Will I be sick? It's how you decide that the guy you just met isn't boyfriend material- he picks his nose, he seems obsessed with Nazi paraphanalia etc. etc. etc. Everyone, and I mean everyone, forgets that the criminal justice system is not designed entirely as a rehabilitation mechanism or to make the world fair. Sometimes it just plain punishes people for acts that society deems wrong. We as a society are allowed set certain standards for acceptable behavoir. Its called democracy and we do it by electing officials to legislate criminal statutes. You don't like the death penalty, write your congressman. Don't talk about how its "not fair to judge." I, and every other person on this board, have every right to judge those assholes who rape and torture a woman and her child. Why? Because I'm human, b/c I care and b/c I find that kind of behavoir unacceptable and disgusting. Live and let live does not apply to people who use their freedom to infringe on the rights of others. I'll be writing my congressman too, as I do EVERY SINGLE WEEK, to encourage him to promote legislate harsher mandatory sentances for sex offenders. I can't even believe I just read " they only raped a woman, forced her son to participate, and then poured bleach in his eyes. Its not like they killed anyone." What? Did you feel even slightly stupid writing that? And for the record, I don't believe a word of your story. Frankly, I think you're a little girl who has no idea what she's talking about and is trying desperately to be credible in her pleas for clemency for these monsters. And if any of that is true, shame on you for not having empathy for the victims instead of for the sociopaths who did it. |
Obviously, you didn't even try to understand what she was explaining.
Instead, you're attempting to humiliate her, and for what? Because she is simply stating her opinion? I don't think she attacked anyone.That last part made your post lose all of it's credibility.
GreekChick
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And in less than two lines, you've managed to sum up the reason why the U.S is constantly labeled as ignorant, by the rest of the world. Props to you :notworthy:!
| Originally Posted by lipstickandhate
I love this. Death penalty opponents always pull this one out. Yes, you've got us, the US is really morally and developmentally on par of Pakistan because we execute people after 24230493258239234 appeals, 20 years after they murdered someone. Anyway, this also assumes that countries like Nigeria, Rwanda, Uganda, Indonesia, Burma, you know, all the real developed and morally enlightened nations who arent on the neanderthal death penalty list, etc are actually accurately reporting whether or not the state is executing people. Sure. I'm also willing to bet that if this were a different argument, say about Islam and women or radical Islam, you'd be gushing about how progressive and enlightened Saudi Arabia and Pakistan actually are. I'm sure culture relativism in that context would make an appearence and be perfectly acceptable. The good news is, I don't give a shit what the rest of the world thinks about my country's judicial system. And neither does the Supreme Court! Huzzah! |
And in less than two lines, you've managed to sum up the reason why the U.S is constantly labeled as ignorant, by the rest of the world. Props to you :notworthy:!
*Stargazer*
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Here we go with the "This is why everyone hates America. Americans are stupid" crap. Which lasts right up until someone needs some kind of humanitarian aid from us. Then the same people who call us names sure have no problems with us. Blah de freaking blah.
Interesting how people are willing to literally chance death daily for a chance to live in this country despite holding such a low opinion of us.
Interesting how people are willing to literally chance death daily for a chance to live in this country despite holding such a low opinion of us.
kymmilee
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HOLY CRAP
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WISHING HARM ON THE BOYS. DOES NO ONE GET THAT?! except for greekchic, of course.
yes, rape is a terrible crime, so is arson, and robbery. i'm sorry, but last time i checked, they didn't get the death penalty. and you can say rape is worse, but personally, i'd rather be raped than lose all of my belongings, house, and memories to someone who thought it'd be cool to play with fire. oh god, i can already see the replies i'll get for saying "i'd rather be raped."
thank you for being so very close-minded to my opinions, calling me a liar, and calling me stupid. what a very nice person you must be.
and did you read what i said?! i said i have tons of sympathy for the victims too. go back and read what i wrote, and then reply. how about without all of the insults and rudeness this time?
jesus christ, it's my personal opinion. get over it. i'll leave it alone. i forgot that just because i'm 21, my opinion didn't matter. silly me.
i thought crap like that ended in, what? middle school?
and i'm done now. like shimmer said, i'd rather all of this stay civil, and i don't feel like i can be nice at this point, so that's it from me.
i'm sorry, shimmer, if i was out of line.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT I DON'T AGREE WITH THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE WISHING HARM ON THE BOYS. DOES NO ONE GET THAT?! except for greekchic, of course.
yes, rape is a terrible crime, so is arson, and robbery. i'm sorry, but last time i checked, they didn't get the death penalty. and you can say rape is worse, but personally, i'd rather be raped than lose all of my belongings, house, and memories to someone who thought it'd be cool to play with fire. oh god, i can already see the replies i'll get for saying "i'd rather be raped."
thank you for being so very close-minded to my opinions, calling me a liar, and calling me stupid. what a very nice person you must be.
and did you read what i said?! i said i have tons of sympathy for the victims too. go back and read what i wrote, and then reply. how about without all of the insults and rudeness this time?
jesus christ, it's my personal opinion. get over it. i'll leave it alone. i forgot that just because i'm 21, my opinion didn't matter. silly me.
i thought crap like that ended in, what? middle school?
and i'm done now. like shimmer said, i'd rather all of this stay civil, and i don't feel like i can be nice at this point, so that's it from me.
i'm sorry, shimmer, if i was out of line.
frocher
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We are never going to come to a consensus on this issue, it is a very personal matter. I'm sorry you are offended that other people feel as strongly about this issue as you do. I will remind you however that you stated reading everyone else's post's were "making me lose more and more faith in mankind." Then stated " thank you for being so very close-minded to my opinions" and " jesus christ, it's my personal opinion. get over it," has me puzzled. It seen you want to criticize other's opinions but want your opinions to be taken as is because they are yours.
Your opinions are valid. However if you are going to criticize the opinions of others you have to expect to be criticized yourself. Acting holier than thou is not a one way street.
I still believe they should be punished to the full extent of the law, I do not want them walking the streets with my children. But then I would rather lose everything I own in a great ball of smoke and rebuild than be raped. Material possessions are not worth my dignity, safety, and peace of mind. We differ in many aspects, and we will probably never agree on this subject. That's okay.
Just bear in mind that others have opinions and feelings just as valid as your own.
Your opinions are valid. However if you are going to criticize the opinions of others you have to expect to be criticized yourself. Acting holier than thou is not a one way street.
I still believe they should be punished to the full extent of the law, I do not want them walking the streets with my children. But then I would rather lose everything I own in a great ball of smoke and rebuild than be raped. Material possessions are not worth my dignity, safety, and peace of mind. We differ in many aspects, and we will probably never agree on this subject. That's okay.
Just bear in mind that others have opinions and feelings just as valid as your own.
Shimmer
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No worries.
That said:
Trust me. You wouldn't rather be raped.
Those things...they're replacable.
Those 'memories'? You can make new ones.
Your memories and your soul are part of you, of your essence. Houses can be rebuilt, new pictures taken, new memories created and savored.
The dignity one loses due to rape? It never comes back.
The guilt one feels? It never goes away.
The shame? It's always there.
No, trust me. You wouldn't rather be raped.
| Originally Posted by kymmilee
yes, rape is a terrible crime, so is arson, and robbery. i'm sorry, but last time i checked, they didn't get the death penalty. and you can say rape is worse, but personally, i'd rather be raped than lose all of my belongings, house, and memories to someone who thought it'd be cool to play with fire. oh god, i can already see the replies i'll get for saying "i'd rather be raped." and i'm done now. like shimmer said, i'd rather all of this stay civil, and i don't feel like i can be nice at this point, so that's it from me. i'm sorry, shimmer, if i was out of line. |
No worries.
That said:
Trust me. You wouldn't rather be raped.
Those things...they're replacable.
Those 'memories'? You can make new ones.
Your memories and your soul are part of you, of your essence. Houses can be rebuilt, new pictures taken, new memories created and savored.
The dignity one loses due to rape? It never comes back.
The guilt one feels? It never goes away.
The shame? It's always there.
No, trust me. You wouldn't rather be raped.
*Stargazer*
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There are no words for how stunned and disturbed I am.
eighmii
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I saw this on the news. I live in West Palm Beach. A guy I work with lives in that neighborhood. Hes moving back in with his mom though cause he hates it there.
The sad thing is it is West Palm-y. Theres a lot of bad neighborhoods around here. Especially a little north where that place is. When you think of Palm Beach you dont think of stuff like this. But theres more ghetto people here than rich people.
I dont think they should get the death penalty.. but I do think they need to stay in jail for life. People are in and out of juvi and jail so much here. They dont learn anything. They need to be there for the rest of their lives.
The sad thing is it is West Palm-y. Theres a lot of bad neighborhoods around here. Especially a little north where that place is. When you think of Palm Beach you dont think of stuff like this. But theres more ghetto people here than rich people.
I dont think they should get the death penalty.. but I do think they need to stay in jail for life. People are in and out of juvi and jail so much here. They dont learn anything. They need to be there for the rest of their lives.
giz2000
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I cannot believe you wrote this...I really hope and pray, from the bottom of my heart, that you never experience rape. I would rather BURN MY OWN HOUSE DOWN than be violated like that...belongings are crap...you can replace belongings...memories are in your mind and heart...you can take those with you. But your sense of security and safety? I really hope you were kidding.
| Originally Posted by kymmilee
personally, i'd rather be raped than lose all of my belongings, house, and memories to someone who thought it'd be cool to play with fire. oh god, i can already see the replies i'll get for saying "i'd rather be raped." |
I cannot believe you wrote this...I really hope and pray, from the bottom of my heart, that you never experience rape. I would rather BURN MY OWN HOUSE DOWN than be violated like that...belongings are crap...you can replace belongings...memories are in your mind and heart...you can take those with you. But your sense of security and safety? I really hope you were kidding.
flowerhead
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Try not to take it to heart darlin, everyone on forums has conflicting views.
| Originally Posted by kymmilee
thanks for clarifying, hon. i just saw everyone jumping on me, and jumped to conclusions |
Try not to take it to heart darlin, everyone on forums has conflicting views.
