Photo Retouching vs the Real Picture

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by glam8babe EURGHH!!!! she looks rotton! like anorexic ewwww i dont see why they dont put abit of meat on them and be curvy like real women not fuckin stick thin like a male child - yeh she actually looks like an 8 yr old boy

Curvy like real women?

I wasn't aware that having hips, or not haveing hips was a requirement to being a women. Just because she doesn't share your body type, doesn't make her any less attractive.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by ms.marymac Just look at some of the replies in this thread and you have your answer. BTW, not everyone can be blessed with an hour glass figure. Some of us skinny minnys would like to have curves!

And some of us skinny minny's like not haveing huge hips. Size 0 is where it's at =p

I think the important thing those photo's show, is that there isn't any specific standard of beauty. Looking at celebs just shows that there is beauty in all body types. Whether you look like J.Lo, Beyonce, or Posh.

 

[Shimmer]

yes size zero is where it's at.
Let me go barf my high protein and complex carb lunch now, so I won't have the energy to walk my dog, chase my kids, or climb the ceiling tonight so I can fit into your ideals of beauty.
In doing so, I'll go ahead and ruin my hair, my skin, and my nails, because the lack of nutrition will take its toll, because hey, size zero is where it's at right? And, having an athletic body that's actually USEFUL for something besides being a clothes hanger is obviously not attractive.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer yes size zero is where it's at. Let me go barf my high protein and complex carb lunch now, so I won't have the energy to walk my dog, chase my kids, or climb the ceiling tonight so I can fit into your ideals of beauty. In doing so, I'll go ahead and ruin my hair, my skin, and my nails, because the lack of nutrition will take its toll, because hey, size zero is where it's at right? And, having an athletic body that's actually USEFUL for something besides being a clothes hanger is obviously not attractive.

I never said being Sporty Spice wasn't attractive Shimmer. I thought it was pretty clear that all body types can be attractive.

Yah, i have pride in mine. Just like you have pride in yours. But i'm not making fun of the fact that you dont have a mani/pedi because you choose to climb rocks for fun.

And not everyone is ana/mia. You were born with a bubble butt, I wasn't. Don't blame me for not being able to fit in a small pair of pants. The Applebottom's are on the other rack though.

 

[righteothen]

Thank you for linking that. I have to show that to a lot of people that I know. It's amazing the amount of processing some of them went through. Kind of made me feel a little better, though, because a lot of them had real bodies before, so not all of them are not eating ^_^.

The sort of things the media will do to make more money...

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Punkinpot, I never said I didn't wear a small pair of jeans, and if you think the definition of self comes from the rack in the store, you've got a lot more maturation to go.

At least I'm not piling on the self loathing because I can't get the button closed, and have to ask the lady helping in the dressing room to get a larger size.

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I just hope while you're doing it, the enamel on your teeth can hold up to the strain.

I get perfect reports from the dentist thanks. I dont even have any fillings.

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My point was the hypocrisy of the post in that your personal statement directly contradicted the statement you made in the post before.

Perhaps if the tone of voice used by the plus sized community wasn't so negative, you wouldn't get that type of a response. Hate more?

 

[Shimmer]

LOL
So basically, through saying 'Size 0 is where it's at', and intimating that anyone larger than a 0 is piling on self loathing because they can't get the button closed, you're saying that anyone larger than a 0 is a 'plus size' and a member of the 'plus sized community'?

Have you considered seeking help for Body Dysmorphic Disorder?

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer LOL So basically, through saying 'Size 0 is where it's at',

Nothing wrong with haveing self esteem Shimmer. And being happy with your weight, instead of worrying about what fad diet to do next, or how much downtime getting lipo will be.

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and intimating that anyone larger than a 0 is piling on self loathing because they can't get the button closed

After working in womens retail clothing, and hearing the comments women make to themselves in the dressing room when they don't fit the size they want. Or the tone of voice they use when they had to ask me to get a bigger size, I think i'm pretty spot on with that one.

And being the one that had to clean up the dressing rooms, you get pretty tired of seeing women carry in the small size with the medium, or the medium and the large, when it's pretty obvious the smaller size was "wishful thinking."

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you're saying that anyone larger than a 0 is a 'plus size' and a member of the 'plus sized community'?

Your words not mine. I never mentioned clothing size in that post.

I'm sorry you can't accept the fact that there are LOTS of women who are a size 0 w/out dieting, purgeing, excessive exercise. And we do get tired of the acidic responses/comments that anyone who is obviously not a zero needs to use to make themselves feel better. But hey, whatever helps you sleep better at night.

 

[Marielle001]

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you get pretty tired of seeing women carry in the small size with the medium, or the medium and the large, when it's pretty obvious the smaller size was "wishful thinking."

So I get that you have extra stuff to clean up, but what do you care if somebody else is wishingfully thinking they can fit a smaller size? So what.

The bottom line is that beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Some people are naturally skinny, some naturally curvy, etc. You can be a size 0 without having an eating disorder, etc. Everybody has their own preference. The photo retouching only proves that trying to fit ONE IDEAL for everyone is ridiculous. All of those models/actors/actresses have imperfections, but they are still (in general) attractive people.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae At least I'm not piling on the self loathing because I can't get the button closed, and have to ask the lady helping in the dressing room to get a larger size. I get perfect reports from the dentist thanks. I dont even have any fillings. Perhaps if the tone of voice used by the plus sized community wasn't so negative, you wouldn't get that type of a response. Hate more?

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[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae I'm sorry you can't accept the fact that there are LOTS of women who are a size 0 w/out dieting, purgeing, excessive exercise. And we do get tired of the acidic responses/comments that anyone who is obviously not a zero needs to use to make themselves feel better. But hey, whatever helps you sleep better at night.

What's cute is you think people are actually jealous of you or your size, or specifically, that I am.
What's even cuter is that you think that naturally I'm a heavy person.
What's even cuter than that is that you think you manage to keep me up at night worrying about whether I can fit in your clothes or not...or who's skinnier...or whatever. That's the cutest part of it all.

Actually, I'm going to call you out, because not one single time have I ever, since I've been on this site, seen you post a picture of yourself, at all. I really doubt you are who and what you say you are. Too many times you've sat and posted and railed on and on and on about "i'm a size 0!" "I don't have hips and that's sexxxxxy!!11!" "I'm tall and skinny, just like models!" etc. Of course, you say you won't do that because the internet is getting smaller and someone might take your pictures and do who knows what with them, which is a legitimate thought, I won't argue.
But, I'm also going to say that for all the barking you do about how skinny you are, how pale your skin is, how well you take care of yourself, you've never proven it. Do you have anything to prove? Not per se...except that we can all claim to be five foot nine and 100 lbs naturally with blond hair and pale skin, and never back it up. Your contribution is continually to stir up problems and issues within the site, and then to retreat and complain to the staff that you perceive you were treated unfairly. It's like watching TIVO on loop. Repetitive and redundant.

So, I really don't think you are who you say you are, and I don't think your much vaunted self esteem is what you say it is, and in short, I think the lady doth protest too much.

 

[xsnowwhite]

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Originally Posted by Raerae And being the one that had to clean up the dressing rooms, you get pretty tired of seeing women carry in the small size with the medium, or the medium and the large, when it's pretty obvious the smaller size was "wishful thinking."

Or maybeeee instead of "wishful thinking" they're on the borderline of sizes, because alot of people can easilly wear a different size of shirt depending on the style/store, ect...

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by xsnowwhite Or maybeeee instead of "wishful thinking" they're on the borderline of sizes, because alot of people can easilly wear a different size of shirt depending on the style/store, ect...

No way, that's just not possible. Really?

 

[MiCHiE]

The Kelly Clarkson "transformation" is really too much. The girl is stacked and is constantly cut in half via photoshop.

 

[Shimmer]

Yes! Check out the Faith Hill transformation a mag recently did for its over, and Faith, in person, is beautiful. They took pounds, inches, and lines off that really didn't HAVE to be removed.

 

[d_flawless]

this is neat! beyonce looks fine either way though, but i already figured

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer What's cute is you think people are actually jealous of you or your size, or specifically, that I am. What's even cuter is that you think that naturally I'm a heavy person. What's even cuter than that is that you think you manage to keep me up at night worrying about whether I can fit in your clothes or not...or who's skinnier...or whatever. That's the cutest part of it all.

I've never once said you were jealous of my size, were all aware that you think being athletic is the pinacle of female beauty. I'm glad that works for you.

I've also never in this thread said you were heavy. Those are your assumptions (again), not my words. You automatically associate any comment i make to you with being extremely heavy, thats your perception, not my words.

And I highly doubt any of us spends much time worrying about the other. Thats really reaching. Guess we can be cute together.

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Actually, I'm going to call you out, because not one single time have I ever, since I've been on this site, seen you post a picture of yourself, at all.

Not all of us need to post photo's to get a self esteem boost Shim. The internet has been out for a while, i went through that phase already years ago.

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I really doubt you are who and what you say you are. Too many times you've sat and posted and railed on and on and on about "i'm a size 0!" "I don't have hips and that's sexxxxxy!!11!" "I'm tall and skinny, just like models!" etc. Of course, you say you won't do that because the internet is getting smaller and someone might take your pictures and do who knows what with them, which is a legitimate thought, I won't argue. But,

I'll give you a photo after i'm done getting the bump removed from my nose. Bug me in September. You've waited this long, you can wait a few more weeks.

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I'm also going to say that for all the barking you do about how skinny you are, how pale your skin is, how well you take care of yourself, you've never proven it.

All i've ever done Shim is given the same tone back to people who feel the need to be nasty about thin people. Your going to honestly tell me saying that someone looks "rotten" is an acceptable thing? I know I"m not the only person who has a body like Eva's in that photo who didn't appreciate that comment.

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Do you have anything to prove? Not per se...except that we can all claim to be five foot nine and 100 lbs naturally with blond hair and pale skin, and never back it up.

I'm 5'6" actually I wish i was 5'9" though. With Brown hair, not blonde. And while I do have pale skin, I've never said being casper white was attractive. And i'm not 100 today, closer to 105. Hardly up to par with regards to the SoCal beauty standards of blond, tan, and busty. Nice try though.

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Your contribution is continually to stir up problems and issues within the site, and then to retreat and complain to the staff that you perceive you were treated unfairly. It's like watching TIVO on loop. Repetitive and redundant.

Problems? Issues? Haveing an alternate opinion is hardly a problem Shimmer.

Because posting comments like this:
"yes size zero is where it's at.
Let me go barf my high protein and complex carb lunch now, so I won't have the energy to walk my dog, chase my kids, or climb the ceiling tonight so I can fit into your ideals of beauty.
In doing so, I'll go ahead and ruin my hair, my skin, and my nails, because the lack of nutrition will take its toll, because hey, size zero is where it's at right? And, having an athletic body that's actually USEFUL for something besides being a clothes hanger is obviously not attractive."

Is such a contribution.

You posted that with the intent of starting something. Not to mention several other blatently inflamatory comments to me in this thread alone, some of which are no longer present in this thread. You play the same games I do Shim. You've done it too many times to pretend it's all me.

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So, I really don't think you are who you say you are, and I don't think your much vaunted self esteem is what you say it is, and in short, I think the lady doth protest too much.

A photo doesn't change anything, but like I said, bug me in Sept.

And more realistically, I've been very open about my flaws, and things i hate about myself, and the shape/size of my body. So while you love painting this picture that I believe I'm perfect, thats hardly true. I'm the first person to point out my own flaws, and to post about them.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by xsnowwhite Or maybeeee instead of "wishful thinking" they're on the borderline of sizes, because alot of people can easilly wear a different size of shirt depending on the style/store, ect...

If it's obvious it's not going to fit, i really doubt their borderline.

Anyone who's worked women's clothes in retail would understand. It's just another "go back" you have to waste your time with after they leve it in the dressing room.

 

[righteothen]

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Originally Posted by xsnowwhite Or maybeeee instead of "wishful thinking" they're on the borderline of sizes, because alot of people can easilly wear a different size of shirt depending on the style/store, ect...

I happen to be borderline, but I actually put the clothes back (something I wish more people would do, because I often get into a room with clothes still in it). It's all in the cut. I might be the larger size in one pair of pants, and the smaller in another, all based on how they cut the thighs alone.

I agree with others on this thread. Changing the entire image of a person just to fit a single ideal is just crazy. I've known plenty of people, and one in specific, who have been what the media would call "overweight," but who were just drop dead gorgeous. Attitude matters more than anything.

 

[Beauty Mark]

If photos were never subjected to all this doctoring, I wonder if people would make a big fuss about stars out and about (the celebs without makeup photos) without the aid of computer retouching?

I think it's kind of sad that the general standard of beauty isn't even real. It's mostly fiction.