Small rant: The Beauty Review Bandwagon
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user79
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Well, first of all I read all the threads in Chatter because I'm a moderator assigned to this area. I read all threads that have the potential to get ugly - especially when it's a hot topic, I read the thread. And no, I don't just close the thread and move on if it's bringing a general negative vibe to Specktra - that's bad moderating. It's not really a good look for Specktra to have a thread dedicated to ranting on another beauty community online.
The content annoys me mainly because of the general negativity that brings nothing new to the table. What is the point in trying to knock down people? I guess it's always easier to tear things down than to build up. I'm not saying people can't have those opinions, but I think it might be more productive to come up with solutions if there is an issue at hand.
Sure, anyone can complain about anything in this world, but what does it achieve? Nothing. Instead of people just sitting around complaining and ranting on others, maybe it might be more productive to make a positive change. It kind of reminds me about people who don't bother to vote, but then go on to complain about the politics....lol.
The content annoys me mainly because of the general negativity that brings nothing new to the table. What is the point in trying to knock down people? I guess it's always easier to tear things down than to build up. I'm not saying people can't have those opinions, but I think it might be more productive to come up with solutions if there is an issue at hand.
Sure, anyone can complain about anything in this world, but what does it achieve? Nothing. Instead of people just sitting around complaining and ranting on others, maybe it might be more productive to make a positive change. It kind of reminds me about people who don't bother to vote, but then go on to complain about the politics....lol.
LeeleeBell
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As I think I have said before...I DO stop watching once I realize it is the same info again. Sometimes it takes a few seconds to find out. Regardless, I think it's an annoying trend, even if I don't watch every single one. Just like I ignore/skip over infomercials, but still find them irritating when I come across them and there's nothing else on tv to watch
And I just wanted some vidmakers to read this and think "ya it's overkill...I need to do something else"....because I actually enjoyed watching vids once upon a time and want to enjoy watching them again.
Interestingly, you don't like rants on the topic yet you read this one and responded. Why? Because you thought your voice needed to be lent to the discussion at hand. (And you had a right to do so). Not everyone loves the trends in videomaking or every video that comes out and we don't have to pretend that we do... whether it's agreeable or not...Why can't we discuss our opinions on the topic without being accused of being negative people or people who can't just "skip over" the stuff we dislike?
Originally Posted by rbella
^^^Absolutely, I agree with that statement. I was just using it as an example as to how you can simply stay away from something if you feel it isn't giving you what you need. I, too would be annoyed with the mass quantities of vids and blogs stating how great everything is, but, I just stay away from the ones I don't particularly care for. Much like the Colour Threads. |
As I think I have said before...I DO stop watching once I realize it is the same info again. Sometimes it takes a few seconds to find out. Regardless, I think it's an annoying trend, even if I don't watch every single one. Just like I ignore/skip over infomercials, but still find them irritating when I come across them and there's nothing else on tv to watch
Interestingly, you don't like rants on the topic yet you read this one and responded. Why? Because you thought your voice needed to be lent to the discussion at hand. (And you had a right to do so). Not everyone loves the trends in videomaking or every video that comes out and we don't have to pretend that we do... whether it's agreeable or not...Why can't we discuss our opinions on the topic without being accused of being negative people or people who can't just "skip over" the stuff we dislike?
LeeleeBell
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Hi Julia, Let me just clear something up right off the bat: I never had intention of telling people what to review. I just noticed a VERY predominant trend right now that I wanted videomakers to know...I don't like seeing. And I said so. Why is it negative to give feedback about my dislikes as a viewer? That doesn't equal dictating to anyone about what videos should be made....it means there is some content "trends" that have bugged me lately. And I think they are so obvious to most of us out there watching/reading.
I simply *thought* and I guess I was wrong??, that videomakers do take their audience into account. I guess I will correct my way of thinking and just skip over any videos from here on out about products that I have seen reviewed before. Shame on me for expecting different people to have different/new things to say?
As I said from the OP: I TOTALLY understand how hard it is to make vids and I COMPLETELY appreciate the hard work that goes into it. Furthermore, I know that you and other youtubers give honest reviews and I said from the beginning that I appreciate that...And that what bugged me was the copycat vids that came after. I am sorry you took that as an offense to you personally.
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How do I know that its the same content and review again before I watch it? Its not like the vids usually come with a "plot summary" attached to them. I have definitely scaled back my viewing thanks to the trend and I actually tend to skip all product review vids in general now.
I am not sure that's something most vid makers want to happen though, after all the hard work they put into making these reviews.
And btw I put "rant" in the subject line so that anyone who has a problem with reading complaints could avoid this thread. I was trying to be considerate. But I do think I have a right to expressing an opinion about what I have watched/seen. Otherwise whats the point of this board? Just to praise every product and critique and vid out there? We are all giving constructive, honest opinions about products/reviews/trends etc. Whether others agree or not, I think that it's kind of "selfish" for anyone to expect us to just "shut up" if we have a negative reaction to something we come across.
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I think if you read this thread from beginning to end you can see that I and others said repeatedly that we appreciate what goes into vidmaking, that a lot of us appreciate what you do in particular Julia. I can tell you are honest in reviews. You are one person in a very large group of reviewers. I don't have a sense of entitlement as a viewer. My reply about "expecting videomakers to take the audience into account" etc was merely a sidenote in reply to something someone said. The OP and every post of mine before that said I simply dislike the trend toward repetitiveness. I don't dictate what anyone does and I don't expect you to do what I say. I can and do often skip videos that I am not interested in. That doesn't mean I am going to pretend that I love redundancy either. And I am going to say when something I watch bugs me.
I too have sense a sort of "entitlement" from people...an attitide of "well just skip it then"...As if I didn't think of that already? There was a time when I liked watching vids and now I don't because of the redundancy. I was merely saying that...quite simply. Is it wrong to say I wish things were different so I can watch/enjoy vids again? Final note here: I don't know why people take things so personally or take it to heart. I have an opinion that is not unpopular...And it's not about one person's reviews. It's about a trend on blogs and youtube in general.
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I thought that's what I was doing when I posted this thread. That's how I intended it anyway. But people, like you, are making it personal and taking it as an insult instead of taking it as constructive criticism of a TREND (not about you) which is how it was intended.
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Honestly, I think you are the one taking it as a personal insult and getting on the defensive, when that's not what this is. And actually that bothers me Julia because I have a lot of respect for you, your opinion and what you do in your vids.
I feel like everything I have said is being taken in the negative instead of being taken as a review about something I genuinely hoped I could change.
Another day, another lesson....No honesty allowed on Specktra. Sorry, I am relatively new here and still learning the ropes.
| Originally Posted by MissChievous
Well yes, it is selfish because a video maker can make any video he or she pleases - we aren't some makeup robots that are making videos purely for the entertainment of others. It's a hobby for most of us, and while we do try to keep the audience in mind, we make videos about things that hold our own interest. So, as a viewer, you really have no "right" to dictate to anyone what a videographer can or can not make a video about. If you don't like what someone is doing, then just don't watch their videos. But, you really have no right to tell them what they should, in your mind, be doing on their own channels. Giving a suggestion is one thing, but the tone of your msg sounds like you're dictating to others what they should be doing, for your sole entertainment. |
Hi Julia, Let me just clear something up right off the bat: I never had intention of telling people what to review. I just noticed a VERY predominant trend right now that I wanted videomakers to know...I don't like seeing. And I said so. Why is it negative to give feedback about my dislikes as a viewer? That doesn't equal dictating to anyone about what videos should be made....it means there is some content "trends" that have bugged me lately. And I think they are so obvious to most of us out there watching/reading.
I simply *thought* and I guess I was wrong??, that videomakers do take their audience into account. I guess I will correct my way of thinking and just skip over any videos from here on out about products that I have seen reviewed before. Shame on me for expecting different people to have different/new things to say?
As I said from the OP: I TOTALLY understand how hard it is to make vids and I COMPLETELY appreciate the hard work that goes into it. Furthermore, I know that you and other youtubers give honest reviews and I said from the beginning that I appreciate that...And that what bugged me was the copycat vids that came after. I am sorry you took that as an offense to you personally.
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| So - just don't watch those videos? I mean what's the point on complaining about it? Just watch something else. There's enough video footage on YT to prob last anyone a lifetime. And even if you might not like those videos, thousands of others do, and watch those types of videos in the hundreds of thousands. That is their preference. |
How do I know that its the same content and review again before I watch it? Its not like the vids usually come with a "plot summary" attached to them. I have definitely scaled back my viewing thanks to the trend and I actually tend to skip all product review vids in general now.
I am not sure that's something most vid makers want to happen though, after all the hard work they put into making these reviews.
And btw I put "rant" in the subject line so that anyone who has a problem with reading complaints could avoid this thread. I was trying to be considerate. But I do think I have a right to expressing an opinion about what I have watched/seen. Otherwise whats the point of this board? Just to praise every product and critique and vid out there? We are all giving constructive, honest opinions about products/reviews/trends etc. Whether others agree or not, I think that it's kind of "selfish" for anyone to expect us to just "shut up" if we have a negative reaction to something we come across.
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| I'm really getting this utter sense of entitlement from some responses in this thread. Like, we're the viewers so you gurus should just do what we want you to do. Um, no. Also, keep in mind, filming a good quality tutorial, editing it, uploading it, creating a product list, blog entry for it, resizing pics, etc - honestly, it's a loooong process. Some videos have taken me upwards of 6 hours in total to create. Versus a haul or review video which might take an hour. So it's pretty darn egotistical to just sit there and say "make more tutorials". People have no idea how much time goes into it. |
I think if you read this thread from beginning to end you can see that I and others said repeatedly that we appreciate what goes into vidmaking, that a lot of us appreciate what you do in particular Julia. I can tell you are honest in reviews. You are one person in a very large group of reviewers. I don't have a sense of entitlement as a viewer. My reply about "expecting videomakers to take the audience into account" etc was merely a sidenote in reply to something someone said. The OP and every post of mine before that said I simply dislike the trend toward repetitiveness. I don't dictate what anyone does and I don't expect you to do what I say. I can and do often skip videos that I am not interested in. That doesn't mean I am going to pretend that I love redundancy either. And I am going to say when something I watch bugs me.
I too have sense a sort of "entitlement" from people...an attitide of "well just skip it then"...As if I didn't think of that already? There was a time when I liked watching vids and now I don't because of the redundancy. I was merely saying that...quite simply. Is it wrong to say I wish things were different so I can watch/enjoy vids again? Final note here: I don't know why people take things so personally or take it to heart. I have an opinion that is not unpopular...And it's not about one person's reviews. It's about a trend on blogs and youtube in general.
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| Also, here's a thought - instead of just coming on Specktra to complain about other online communities, saying what you don't like about it, why not do something to make it better? I'm not sure how many of the responders here make videos themselves on YT, but it's always easier to be negative and complain, rather than getting off your butt, putting some energy and positivity into something and improving something you feel needs improvement. |
I thought that's what I was doing when I posted this thread. That's how I intended it anyway. But people, like you, are making it personal and taking it as an insult instead of taking it as constructive criticism of a TREND (not about you) which is how it was intended.
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| I'm just sick of these threads - honestly. Like someone said, it seems to have just turned into a "hate on another beauty community thread". Funny, when other communities have created threads as such being negative towards Specktra, the members here were outraged. But now to see everyone doing the same thing here is very disappointing. I always feel like Specktra is a positive place - all this hating and complaining is really not a very positive vibe. There have been some interesting responses that I enjoyed reading but yeah, now it's just turned into a hate thread. |
Honestly, I think you are the one taking it as a personal insult and getting on the defensive, when that's not what this is. And actually that bothers me Julia because I have a lot of respect for you, your opinion and what you do in your vids.
I feel like everything I have said is being taken in the negative instead of being taken as a review about something I genuinely hoped I could change.
Another day, another lesson....No honesty allowed on Specktra. Sorry, I am relatively new here and still learning the ropes.
user79
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Sorry my comments were not directed exclusively at you, I'm not taking this personally and I appreciate that people are saying they are not referring to my channel, even though I never felt that way in the first place. I never felt myself personally attacked. I'm sorry if I've come across as brusque, that was not my intent. Reading back on my comments, I think I probably did come across as a little harsh - lol! It's sometimes hard to say exactly what I mean.
Don't get me wrong, I have read many of the comments here and agree with some things that have been said. I do agree that sometimes the marketing stuff gets to be too much - but some of it is also very good for the community. There's a lot of great products and such that I would never have tried out or totally loved if it hadn't been to YT and people talking about these small brands that have virtually no money for advertising so resort to "gung ho Youtube product placement" methods. LOL For example Sigma, yeah ok they do seem to be everywhere now, but according to the thread on Specktra, lots of people also seem to be really happy about those brushes so I'd say their incessant campaigning was only a good thing, even if the videos do get repetitive and a bit samey. Customers got cheap but good brushes and are (mostly happy), a small business was able to make some money, it created jobs - everyone's happy. What's the big problem? I'd say that's a pretty good thing, all in all.
But it's also frustrating when you go from being a "viewer" to actually becoming an active member of the community so you see both sides of the coin, and as much as you try to explain "the other side" to people, people just make assumptions and assume that everything is fake, or people have no integrity. (Again, not referring to myself, just in general.)
I just think that the best way to improve something that you feel needs to be improved upon is to take action - if anyone feels so strongly about YT going down the drain so to speak, there's nothing stopping anyone from starting to make their own videos. That is the best way to encourage change, that's all I'm saying.
Anyway, I think you brought up some good points, I just felt before like the discussion was going way downhill and being negative just for the sake of being negative without any suggestions being made.
Don't get me wrong, I have read many of the comments here and agree with some things that have been said. I do agree that sometimes the marketing stuff gets to be too much - but some of it is also very good for the community. There's a lot of great products and such that I would never have tried out or totally loved if it hadn't been to YT and people talking about these small brands that have virtually no money for advertising so resort to "gung ho Youtube product placement" methods. LOL For example Sigma, yeah ok they do seem to be everywhere now, but according to the thread on Specktra, lots of people also seem to be really happy about those brushes so I'd say their incessant campaigning was only a good thing, even if the videos do get repetitive and a bit samey. Customers got cheap but good brushes and are (mostly happy), a small business was able to make some money, it created jobs - everyone's happy. What's the big problem? I'd say that's a pretty good thing, all in all.
But it's also frustrating when you go from being a "viewer" to actually becoming an active member of the community so you see both sides of the coin, and as much as you try to explain "the other side" to people, people just make assumptions and assume that everything is fake, or people have no integrity. (Again, not referring to myself, just in general.)
I just think that the best way to improve something that you feel needs to be improved upon is to take action - if anyone feels so strongly about YT going down the drain so to speak, there's nothing stopping anyone from starting to make their own videos. That is the best way to encourage change, that's all I'm saying.
Anyway, I think you brought up some good points, I just felt before like the discussion was going way downhill and being negative just for the sake of being negative without any suggestions being made.
LeeleeBell
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I agree. I even did a separate thread to thank specktra members, youtubers, bloggers etc for introducing me to some amazing products that I never would have known about if not for the great information out there. That's been SO beneficial in so many ways. So I am very grateful and aware of the beneficial effect of reviews/blogs/youtube vids. That's why I come here/other boards and why I watched vids in the first place. But there is a current trend to "overfeaturing" and overdoing the product reviews: of the same products...that is true also IMO. Both things can coexist: the good and the bad of it all. I brought it up in hopes that other people might read it and decide to change things on their channels.
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I am very glad I learned about Sigma brushes. I didn't need to hear about them from 55-65 different vid makers and who knows how many blogs though...But again, that is me. That's *my* response to it and I don't expect anyone to care or change unless THEY want to listen and be aware. Just expressing my own personal opinion...
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I didn't assume that ever and I honestly don't think most of the people in this thread did. I am aware that *some* people do make vids to get free stuff...hence the reason for "copycat vids". That annoys me, what can I say. To each her own.
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I have to disagree with you...I am somewhat of a novice and I don't watch vids by novices. I don't get anything out of that. I like to watch people who know what they are doing, and have some wisdom to impart. I also don't have good camera equipment and I know very little about doing that anyway. Also, I am very uncomfortable around a camera....in general. Some of us aren't meant to be in front of the camera, or can't do it naturally. One more videomaker in a sea of others isn't going to make much of a difference either. I posted the opinion here because I know a lot of YT videomakers would read this and perhaps at least consider what I was saying/take it to heart. That's how I hoped to make a difference. Instead it seems like it's being taken as a "jab" or a personal attack against videomakers.
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I think a lot of good suggestions were made....but yes, there are a lot of people who are upset at various things and probably used this thread as a way to vent about certain aspects/trends. And I honestly didn't see any of it as stuff that should be taken personally or taken as an insult. It's just different perspectives and POVs....
JMO for what it's worth.
| Originally Posted by MissChievous
Don't get me wrong, I have read many of the comments here and agree with some things that have been said. I do agree that sometimes the marketing stuff gets to be too much - but some of it is also very good for the community. There's a lot of great products and such that I would never have tried out or totally loved if it hadn't been to YT and people talking about these small brands that have virtually no money for advertising so resort to "gung ho Youtube product placement" methods. |
I agree. I even did a separate thread to thank specktra members, youtubers, bloggers etc for introducing me to some amazing products that I never would have known about if not for the great information out there. That's been SO beneficial in so many ways. So I am very grateful and aware of the beneficial effect of reviews/blogs/youtube vids. That's why I come here/other boards and why I watched vids in the first place. But there is a current trend to "overfeaturing" and overdoing the product reviews: of the same products...that is true also IMO. Both things can coexist: the good and the bad of it all. I brought it up in hopes that other people might read it and decide to change things on their channels.
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| LOL For example Sigma, yeah ok they do seem to be everywhere now, but according to the thread on Specktra, lots of people also seem to be really happy about those brushes so I'd say their incessant campaigning was only a good thing, even if the videos do get repetitive and a bit samey. Customers got cheap but good brushes and are (mostly happy), a small business was able to make some money, it created jobs - everyone's happy. What's the big problem? I'd say that's a pretty good thing, all in all. |
I am very glad I learned about Sigma brushes. I didn't need to hear about them from 55-65 different vid makers and who knows how many blogs though...But again, that is me. That's *my* response to it and I don't expect anyone to care or change unless THEY want to listen and be aware. Just expressing my own personal opinion...
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| But it's also frustrating when you go from being a "viewer" to actually becoming an active member of the community so you see both sides of the coin, and as much as you try to explain "the other side" to people, people just make assumptions and assume that everything is fake, or people have no integrity. (Again, not referring to myself, just in general.) |
I didn't assume that ever and I honestly don't think most of the people in this thread did. I am aware that *some* people do make vids to get free stuff...hence the reason for "copycat vids". That annoys me, what can I say. To each her own.
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| I just think that the best way to improve something that you feel needs to be improved upon is to take action - if anyone feels so strongly about YT going down the drain so to speak, there's nothing stopping anyone from starting to make their own videos. That is the best way to encourage change, that's all I'm saying. |
I have to disagree with you...I am somewhat of a novice and I don't watch vids by novices. I don't get anything out of that. I like to watch people who know what they are doing, and have some wisdom to impart. I also don't have good camera equipment and I know very little about doing that anyway. Also, I am very uncomfortable around a camera....in general. Some of us aren't meant to be in front of the camera, or can't do it naturally. One more videomaker in a sea of others isn't going to make much of a difference either. I posted the opinion here because I know a lot of YT videomakers would read this and perhaps at least consider what I was saying/take it to heart. That's how I hoped to make a difference. Instead it seems like it's being taken as a "jab" or a personal attack against videomakers.
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| Anyway, I think you brought up some good points, I just felt before like the discussion was going way downhill and being negative just for the sake of being negative without any suggestions being made. |
I think a lot of good suggestions were made....but yes, there are a lot of people who are upset at various things and probably used this thread as a way to vent about certain aspects/trends. And I honestly didn't see any of it as stuff that should be taken personally or taken as an insult. It's just different perspectives and POVs....
JMO for what it's worth.
SakurasamaLover
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Wow seriously this is going in a strange place and reminds me that people are more and more selfish as the years/generations pass (medias are doing their job well it seems). These people are doing it out of their time, you don't pay them and if you don't like what you see don't look at it. There's enough stuff out there for you to get new reviews and stuff. If you already seen something and don't wanna see it again - skip it. But no.. ME MYSELF and I is more important, so I can say that people getting free stuff sucks (even if the people saying that would shit themselves to get free stuff too) and they don't wanna just use their own judgment on those thing, even if they already did obviously, with the complaining post they just made.
Oh and sorry but if you saw all the reviews and hauls video on youtube and you are bored.. maybe get a life ?
Yay one more point for humanity.
Just my 2 cents
The point is: someone lost your thrust cause he seems just like a little copycat ? Well don't listen to him/her anymore !?!?!?
Welcome to reality : some people rocks some sucks.
/rant over
Oh and sorry but if you saw all the reviews and hauls video on youtube and you are bored.. maybe get a life ?
Yay one more point for humanity.
Just my 2 cents
The point is: someone lost your thrust cause he seems just like a little copycat ? Well don't listen to him/her anymore !?!?!?
Welcome to reality : some people rocks some sucks.
/rant over
LeeleeBell
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^^ Ya that is a very incorrect and negative summary of what my intentions and posts were about, and your interpretation was sincerely off the mark. But if that's how you want to read/see it, so be it. Perception vs. intention. We all have a right to our own POV. It makes the world go round. If you don't want to see that, then I suggest not reading message boards.
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Whoa really? I had no idea.
If you read my posts at all (big assumption on my part), I am well aware that its possible to skip reviews/videos etc and I have exercised that ability a lot lately. But I will let you go back and read at your leisure.... Because frankly I am not sure you're even paying attention to this post either.
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What irony.You entered a thread that said "rant" in the title to complain about people complaining. Why didn't you do as you're advising me....skip this thread if complainers bother you so? You are also here insulting me because i have the audacity to have an opinion unlike your own, twisting my words and intentions, and telling people what they have a right to post about...and being quite unkind and rude in doing so. Perhaps you should listen to your own advice and stop preaching to others.
BTW "me myself and I" have a right to post an opinion/thought (positive or negative) as much as you/yourself and the better-than-thou, judgmental attitude you expressed in here.
Just my two cents.
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| The point is: someone lost your thrust cause he seems just like a little copycat ? Well don't listen to him/her anymore !?!?!? Welcome to reality : some people rocks some sucks. |
Whoa really? I had no idea.
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| Oh and sorry but if you saw all the reviews and hauls video on youtube and you are bored.. maybe get a life ? |
What irony.You entered a thread that said "rant" in the title to complain about people complaining. Why didn't you do as you're advising me....skip this thread if complainers bother you so? You are also here insulting me because i have the audacity to have an opinion unlike your own, twisting my words and intentions, and telling people what they have a right to post about...and being quite unkind and rude in doing so. Perhaps you should listen to your own advice and stop preaching to others.
BTW "me myself and I" have a right to post an opinion/thought (positive or negative) as much as you/yourself and the better-than-thou, judgmental attitude you expressed in here.
Just my two cents.
CellyCell
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I'm not a fan of Youtube as I once was but I don't think it's fair to hate on them for getting people to subscribe to their stuff and placing contest or whatever... oh em gee, they're giving away free stuff in place of your subscription. What a bunch of horrible assh*les.
But I do agree a lot is redundant...
I dunno how folks trust/or hype the opinion of very few w/out doing a bit more research. Thank Jebus for forums like MUA.
I hella LOL'd at the whole "another I hate YT thread" comment.
But I do agree a lot is redundant...
I dunno how folks trust/or hype the opinion of very few w/out doing a bit more research. Thank Jebus for forums like MUA.
I hella LOL'd at the whole "another I hate YT thread" comment.
sunshine16
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Honestly, i would understand people being annoyed if you received a magazine which repeated itself constantly.
You payed for a product and therefore you have a right to expect a certain quality of articles etc.
However considering youtube is free i don't feel like anyone owes anyone anything. It's the same as when someone posts a thread asking a question and they wont get replies within 24 hours and they'll post again saying "ANYONE?! NOONE CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION?!"
There may be someone reading your question with a pHd on the topic who simply doesn't want to answer and that is their right. They do not owe you an answer just because they have the information. Same as a guru doesn't owe anyone a tutorial because they have the skills and equipment to do so.
I guess what i'm trying to say is, the internet is a very convenient resource for many different things however if the information you need/want is not available then you need to search elsewhere.
For example LeeLeeBell expressed disappointment at lack of tutorials on youtube, as an alternative she could buy a makeup book or take a class at a makeup counter or even play around herself (this is how many gurus learnt to start with anyway) because at the end of the day, it's not a guru's responsibilty to teach you how to apply makeup if they'd rather show you what they bought that day.
Just sayin'...
You payed for a product and therefore you have a right to expect a certain quality of articles etc.
However considering youtube is free i don't feel like anyone owes anyone anything. It's the same as when someone posts a thread asking a question and they wont get replies within 24 hours and they'll post again saying "ANYONE?! NOONE CAN ANSWER MY QUESTION?!"
There may be someone reading your question with a pHd on the topic who simply doesn't want to answer and that is their right. They do not owe you an answer just because they have the information. Same as a guru doesn't owe anyone a tutorial because they have the skills and equipment to do so.
I guess what i'm trying to say is, the internet is a very convenient resource for many different things however if the information you need/want is not available then you need to search elsewhere.
For example LeeLeeBell expressed disappointment at lack of tutorials on youtube, as an alternative she could buy a makeup book or take a class at a makeup counter or even play around herself (this is how many gurus learnt to start with anyway) because at the end of the day, it's not a guru's responsibilty to teach you how to apply makeup if they'd rather show you what they bought that day.
Just sayin'...
rbella
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Thank you for deciding this for me, however, I never said I don't like "rants" on the topic. I said: I can see how members would be annoyed with constant "hyping" of products, but just move on. It's a free friggin' world and the information you get on the internet, for the most part, is free. For God's sake, are we going to bitch and complain about everything on the internet? These people are providing a service to you and also doing something they are passionate about. Who cares if it doesn't meet your criteria of perfection?
Also, to be honest, you seem to enjoy the debating of this topic, which is fine, but when doing so, don't assume what others are feeling/thinking. When I have a problem with "rants on this topic", trust me, I will have no problem letting you know. If you are unable to respond without diagnosing my words and looking for hidden meanings, that is your issue, but please do not insert your "incorrect observations" of me.
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**Pulls on Lara's Piggy Tails**
| Originally Posted by LeeleeBell
Interestingly, you don't like rants on the topic yet you read this one and responded. Why? Because you thought your voice needed to be lent to the discussion at hand. (And you had a right to do so). Not everyone loves the trends in videomaking or every video that comes out and we don't have to pretend that we do... whether it's agreeable or not...Why can't we discuss our opinions on the topic without being accused of being negative people or people who can't just "skip over" the stuff we dislike? |
Thank you for deciding this for me, however, I never said I don't like "rants" on the topic. I said: I can see how members would be annoyed with constant "hyping" of products, but just move on. It's a free friggin' world and the information you get on the internet, for the most part, is free. For God's sake, are we going to bitch and complain about everything on the internet? These people are providing a service to you and also doing something they are passionate about. Who cares if it doesn't meet your criteria of perfection?
Also, to be honest, you seem to enjoy the debating of this topic, which is fine, but when doing so, don't assume what others are feeling/thinking. When I have a problem with "rants on this topic", trust me, I will have no problem letting you know. If you are unable to respond without diagnosing my words and looking for hidden meanings, that is your issue, but please do not insert your "incorrect observations" of me.
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| Originally Posted by lara
This has been an interesting and insightful thread, so let's refrain from descending into the internet version of pulling each other's piggytails. |
**Pulls on Lara's Piggy Tails**
rbella
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And, the bloggers and youtubers have the right to post what the heck they want to on their OWN SITES. Interesting.
| Originally Posted by LeeleeBell
BTW "me myself and I" have a right to post an opinion/thought (positive or negative) as much as you/yourself and the better-than-thou, judgmental attitude you expressed in here. Just my two cents. |
And, the bloggers and youtubers have the right to post what the heck they want to on their OWN SITES. Interesting.
LeeleeBell
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Yes they do as I said before in my posts
I am not dictating, just saying my preference for what I watch.
| Originally Posted by rbella
And, the bloggers and youtubers have the right to post what the heck they want to on their OWN SITES. Interesting. |
Yes they do as I said before in my posts
LeeleeBell
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I will just say that post was in reply to someone else's direct comments, not to you rbella. That said, I have expressed multiple times (even in this thread) how much I appreciate the hard work and MOST videos. I am not sure why you have skipped over those comments and points in this very thread, and decided that all I have done is complained?? I don't think that's fair and I don't accept that criticism. That is not true about me. I was talking about one trend that I don't like viewing and I have a right to post my thoughts on that one trend.
I can also talk about what I love in youtube vids and i have done that constantly too. PS where did I assume what people were feeling and thinking?? I talked about my feelings and then saw that in this thread a lot of people seemed to agree.
I don't pretend to tell people what to review or what to do. I am saying why I don't enjoy product reviews anymore and why i am not watching them at the moment. I just hoped that the trend could change. I truly don't see why some are so "taken aback" by me expressing an opinion. No one has to agree and no one has to change anything. And it's as easy to ignore my opinions here as it is to tell me to "skip" watching videos (which I have done).
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I can also talk about what I love in youtube vids and i have done that constantly too. PS where did I assume what people were feeling and thinking?? I talked about my feelings and then saw that in this thread a lot of people seemed to agree.
I don't pretend to tell people what to review or what to do. I am saying why I don't enjoy product reviews anymore and why i am not watching them at the moment. I just hoped that the trend could change. I truly don't see why some are so "taken aback" by me expressing an opinion. No one has to agree and no one has to change anything. And it's as easy to ignore my opinions here as it is to tell me to "skip" watching videos (which I have done).
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| Originally Posted by rbella
Thank you for deciding this for me, however, I never said I don't like "rants" on the topic. I said: I can see how members would be annoyed with constant "hyping" of products, but just move on. It's a free friggin' world and the information you get on the internet, for the most part, is free. For God's sake, are we going to bitch and complain about everything on the internet? These people are providing a service to you and also doing something they are passionate about. Who cares if it doesn't meet your criteria of perfection? Also, to be honest, you seem to enjoy the debating of this topic, which is fine, but when doing so, don't assume what others are feeling/thinking. When I have a problem with "rants on this topic", trust me, I will have no problem letting you know. If you are unable to respond without diagnosing my words and looking for hidden meanings, that is your issue, but please do not insert your "incorrect observations" of me. **Pulls on Lara's Piggy Tails** |
ForgetRegret
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ForgetRegret
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^^
Sure thing, I've got a nice big tub.... *shares*
