Beauty Mark
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The American Health Care System... sucks =[ (Sicko, Michael Moore)
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MxAxC-_ATTACK
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This sounds like your boyfriends grandpa has an "Hmo"
My grandmother had that. She got cancer, they didn't get the "OK" to operate until it was too late. If Health care was free in the united states this would be the case for EVERYONE.
Originally Posted by xbeatofangelx
My boyfriend's grandpa is completely covered by his insurance. Yesterday he had to go to the emergency room because of a low blood count, failing kidneys, enlarged prostate, etc. etc. He had to wait 4 hours in ER before the doctors were able to see him. When he got a room, it took the nurses another 3 hours to get him blood. He has been waiting for prostate surgery for almost a year. The truth is, there are long lines in our health care system. We do have waiting periods for surgery. Americans have to wait as well. |
This sounds like your boyfriends grandpa has an "Hmo"
My grandmother had that. She got cancer, they didn't get the "OK" to operate until it was too late. If Health care was free in the united states this would be the case for EVERYONE.
user79
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Well those people are sheep, making up your own mind about something should be a requisite to anything you see on TV...
| Originally Posted by MxAxC-_ATTACK
I don't agree. I don't think he pushes people to think for themselves, and if he Trys to, He doesn't do a very good job of it..A lot of people believe what they see on T.V or in movies, and they all (at least the people I know who like him) believe what he says, and don't do any research on their own. At least that is my personal experience. |
Well those people are sheep, making up your own mind about something should be a requisite to anything you see on TV...
MAC_Whore
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I personally can't stand Michael Moore or his methods. Most often he only sees and presents what he wants to see. Not an unbiased opinion. He is, IMO, selfish and self-serving in that manner. However, these documentaries prompt dialougue, so they serve a decent purpose in that sense. God, did I just compliment that douche? Wow....I am going to go slam my fingers in a door or something.
On a wider scale...yes, our system is broken. We need to change it. Though I am thankful for what it does offer, (there are places in this world that are most definitely worse off). The reality is though that any health care system cannot acheive perfection and pat themselves on the back and remain static. There is too much fluidity in the whole process. A health care system must constantly change to accomodate health care "trends"/needs. The answer is not working towards perfection, but in creating a system that responds to change and teaching people to recognize those needs that require changes.
On a wider scale...yes, our system is broken. We need to change it. Though I am thankful for what it does offer, (there are places in this world that are most definitely worse off). The reality is though that any health care system cannot acheive perfection and pat themselves on the back and remain static. There is too much fluidity in the whole process. A health care system must constantly change to accomodate health care "trends"/needs. The answer is not working towards perfection, but in creating a system that responds to change and teaching people to recognize those needs that require changes.
MxAxC-_ATTACK
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I COMPLETELY agree! Unfortunately.. there are far toooo many sheep around here.
| Originally Posted by MissChievous
Well those people are sheep, making up your own mind about something should be a requisite to anything you see on TV... |
I COMPLETELY agree! Unfortunately.. there are far toooo many sheep around here.
xiahe
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i've never seen the movie but i definitely agree about how the american health care system sucks...everything does, really. i'd much rather pay extra in taxes and get free health care and go to school for a much lower cost than they are now, if not free versus dropping thousands for health insurance and like, approximately $80,000 just for me to go to school for 4 years. everything is always about money and people need to understand that not everyone can afford everything...
Dizzy
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Honest question: How does 'everything suck'? I work hard for everything I have, and I've reaped all the benefits of said work. The American system demands that nobody expect anything for 'free'- you reap what you sow. Our current healthcare, for better or for worse, is yet another mirror of that mentality.
And you can definately go to school for under $80K. It might not be your absolute top school, but you can do it. I'm in my third year, have transferred to four different schools (1private, 3 state), and have worked full time the entire time. I have less than $3K in debt right now (which will be paid off for my next semester by working all summer for it), which will be paid off before the end of my fall semester. I'm graduating a semester early, and have managed to keep above a 3.0 GPA. I get no money from my parents whatsoever,no financial aid, no grants, 2 scholarships (both academic). Is my case typical? No, but don't tell me that it can't be done- if you . Once again it's a 'reap what you sow' situation.
I'm just shocked that so many people would trust our government, in particular, with their healthcare. Maybe I see it differently, but I definately do not want the people who run our DMVs to run my healthcare.
| Originally Posted by xiahe
i've never seen the movie but i definitely agree about how the american health care system sucks...everything does, really. i'd much rather pay extra in taxes and get free health care and go to school for a much lower cost than they are now, if not free versus dropping thousands for health insurance and like, approximately $80,000 just for me to go to school for 4 years. everything is always about money and people need to understand that not everyone can afford everything... |
Honest question: How does 'everything suck'? I work hard for everything I have, and I've reaped all the benefits of said work. The American system demands that nobody expect anything for 'free'- you reap what you sow. Our current healthcare, for better or for worse, is yet another mirror of that mentality.
And you can definately go to school for under $80K. It might not be your absolute top school, but you can do it. I'm in my third year, have transferred to four different schools (1private, 3 state), and have worked full time the entire time. I have less than $3K in debt right now (which will be paid off for my next semester by working all summer for it), which will be paid off before the end of my fall semester. I'm graduating a semester early, and have managed to keep above a 3.0 GPA. I get no money from my parents whatsoever,no financial aid, no grants, 2 scholarships (both academic). Is my case typical? No, but don't tell me that it can't be done- if you . Once again it's a 'reap what you sow' situation.
I'm just shocked that so many people would trust our government, in particular, with their healthcare. Maybe I see it differently, but I definately do not want the people who run our DMVs to run my healthcare.
MxAxC-_ATTACK
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Exactly! Totally Agree.
| Originally Posted by Dizzy
I'm just shocked that so many people would trust our government, in particular, with their healthcare. Maybe I see it differently, but I definately do not want the people who run our DMVs to run my healthcare. |
Exactly! Totally Agree.
xbeatofangelx
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I feel like it takes more qualifications to run a hospital than register someone's cars - though I do get the metaphor!
MxAxC-_ATTACK
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thats true. However, Would you want to spend 7 + years in Medical School to work for the low pay of the Government? I wouldn't even waste my time.
That means Having doctors who are less serious about what they do.
| Originally Posted by xbeatofangelx
I feel like it takes more qualifications to run a hospital than register someone's cars - though I do get the metaphor! |
thats true. However, Would you want to spend 7 + years in Medical School to work for the low pay of the Government? I wouldn't even waste my time.
That means Having doctors who are less serious about what they do.
TRUEFASHIONISTA
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Wow. Interesting thread; interesting responses!
banjobama
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I haven't seen Sicko but I can speak from experience working in a pharmacy for a year. I grew to resent Medicaid recipients so much that I quit my job. The thing is, they (Medicaid) barely pay the doctors or the pharmacy, and a lot of providers are no longer going to be taking state Medicaid. You have to see a certain doctor and have all your meds in a certain order or nothing gets paid for. I'm not sure what kind of universal healthcare the US may or may not eventually get, but if it's anything like Medicaid, I'll pass. I'd rather spend a couple hundred dollars a year on a checkup to get seen by any doctor I want any time I want, and cross my fingers I don't need to go to the ER.
I just got really tired of people paying $30 on Cheetos, Pepsis, magazines, and other crap but refusing to pay $30 a month for birth control.
The thing is, the Medicaid patients complained the most about everything: the long lines, the drive through being closed, their prescription not being ready. I want to shout: "It's free!! You're getting it free!! It's not the BEST, or the FASTEST, it's just FREE!! so stop complaining." I really hated that job.
I just got really tired of people paying $30 on Cheetos, Pepsis, magazines, and other crap but refusing to pay $30 a month for birth control.
The thing is, the Medicaid patients complained the most about everything: the long lines, the drive through being closed, their prescription not being ready. I want to shout: "It's free!! You're getting it free!! It's not the BEST, or the FASTEST, it's just FREE!! so stop complaining." I really hated that job.
xbeatofangelx
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You have a point. a very good one. Some people just don't want to pay for anything. So sad =[
Dark_Phoenix
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I so, totally agree with you here. Like, if it is your money then you have the right to spend it exactly how you want instead of letting the feds take it.
Aren't all rights not reserved for the Federal Government supposed to be delegated to the states?
Maybe this issue of healthcare needs to be handled at the state level...
| Originally Posted by Tash
Universal healthcare reminds me very much of a socialist government, which is why I love America. I'm sorry, but I shouldn't have to pay for your medical care. I bust my ASS for my money, so why should I have to give it to other people? Jobs that offer some kind of insurance aren't that hard to find. Hell, these days a lot of places offer insurance, even Walmart. |
I so, totally agree with you here. Like, if it is your money then you have the right to spend it exactly how you want instead of letting the feds take it.
Aren't all rights not reserved for the Federal Government supposed to be delegated to the states?
Maybe this issue of healthcare needs to be handled at the state level...
eighmii
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While I am a supporter of universal healthcare, I have to agree.
I work at freakin Chilis.. you have to have what? 2 years of experience and pass a personality test to get a job there.. and theres even ways around that. They offer insurance right off the bat. In fact, you HAVE to sign up for it the first 31 days of being employed with them or you have to wait for open enrollment thats in like January. Its $97/month.. which I dont like.. plus it doesnt cover my bc.
So I get it from Planned Parenthood and its only $20/month.. instead of $50.
I heard Starbucks offers insurance also.. and I KNOW its not hard to get a job there.
| Originally Posted by Tash
Jobs that offer some kind of insurance aren't that hard to find. Hell, these days a lot of places offer insurance, even Walmart. |
While I am a supporter of universal healthcare, I have to agree.
I work at freakin Chilis.. you have to have what? 2 years of experience and pass a personality test to get a job there.. and theres even ways around that. They offer insurance right off the bat. In fact, you HAVE to sign up for it the first 31 days of being employed with them or you have to wait for open enrollment thats in like January. Its $97/month.. which I dont like.. plus it doesnt cover my bc.
So I get it from Planned Parenthood and its only $20/month.. instead of $50.
I heard Starbucks offers insurance also.. and I KNOW its not hard to get a job there.
Beauty Mark
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Most places do offer insurance. The quality of the insurance varies greatly; I'm temping, and I actually get decent insurance.
While I am a proponent of universal health care, I think maybe we should demand better quality private insurance.
While I am a proponent of universal health care, I think maybe we should demand better quality private insurance.
redambition
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to all those who think that you should only be entitled to receive a decent level of education or health care if you can pay for it yourself, please wake up.
a good grassroots (basic level) of free and/or subsidised health care and education available to all (with a tandem private system available to those who want to and can pay extra) can only help improve the quality of life in society.
health care (and education) are vitally important to a society. why restrict the availability of it to those who are privileged enough to afford it?
universal healthcare is not totally perfect (yes, there are waiting lists, things can take longer, the quality of care may not be as good as private), but it sounds like it would be an improvement to alot of people out there who may not be able to afford it now.
(by the way, in case anyone is interested, yes, i live in a country with a public health care system. i also have my own private health insurance, and the GPs i see work in a private clinic. i happily pay the gap in fee between the public-funded portion of my GP fee and what they charge because i prefer the level of care i receive from that particular clinic. i still, however, do not begrudge those who may not be able to afford what i can access to health care on my tax dollars. i have been in a position before where i couldn't afford private health care or visiting a private GP clinic, and god knows i may one day end up there again. i'd like to have the public system to fall back on. it may not be perfect, but at least you can still get treatment without the compounded issues of large debts at the end of it.)
a good grassroots (basic level) of free and/or subsidised health care and education available to all (with a tandem private system available to those who want to and can pay extra) can only help improve the quality of life in society.
health care (and education) are vitally important to a society. why restrict the availability of it to those who are privileged enough to afford it?
universal healthcare is not totally perfect (yes, there are waiting lists, things can take longer, the quality of care may not be as good as private), but it sounds like it would be an improvement to alot of people out there who may not be able to afford it now.
(by the way, in case anyone is interested, yes, i live in a country with a public health care system. i also have my own private health insurance, and the GPs i see work in a private clinic. i happily pay the gap in fee between the public-funded portion of my GP fee and what they charge because i prefer the level of care i receive from that particular clinic. i still, however, do not begrudge those who may not be able to afford what i can access to health care on my tax dollars. i have been in a position before where i couldn't afford private health care or visiting a private GP clinic, and god knows i may one day end up there again. i'd like to have the public system to fall back on. it may not be perfect, but at least you can still get treatment without the compounded issues of large debts at the end of it.)
Beauty Mark
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A lot of people think universal health care is a bad idea because it'll be poorly run. There are also those who don't like seeing their money spent on something they won't use. I also think for some people, it's because it'll be a big change. Perhaps if had been implemented a hundred years ago, there wouldn't be such upset for some.
I don't think we should go about things Robin Hood style, but I think it's one of those things we should do. I think besides being nice, it'll probably benefit society. I don't have the article off hand, but in MA, they argued that having everyone be insured is going to be cheaper somehow. That's why everyone has to be on insurance or they get fined. I'm not sure what the right solution is or how to go about the stuff with taxes, but I think there has to be a way to make it all work.
I don't think we should go about things Robin Hood style, but I think it's one of those things we should do. I think besides being nice, it'll probably benefit society. I don't have the article off hand, but in MA, they argued that having everyone be insured is going to be cheaper somehow. That's why everyone has to be on insurance or they get fined. I'm not sure what the right solution is or how to go about the stuff with taxes, but I think there has to be a way to make it all work.
