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DirtyPlum

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Originally Posted by GlamYOURUs
Ugh I hate my people sometimes.

But I kind of don't blame them. Its where they come from, how they were brought up by their families, the media, and their Fair & Lovely bleaching cream commercials are pure hilarity
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Its sad that we can have such ignorant ideals but thats the way the world turns. People come in all colors, shapes and sizes, there is no perfect woman or man. It also boils down to personal preferences.


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Its the same when fair ppl say "I look so pale and pasty, you have such lovely warm skin, I hate my skintone, I cant wear colours like that" - who said so???
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ThePerfectScore

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OKay LuvSic, and whoever else cares. I grew up in a small suburban town near Stone Mountain in Georgia. So for all y'all who don't know Stone Mountain is a recreational park that has an emphasis on nature. The most notable aspect of this park is well the granite moutain. And the most notable aspect of this mountain are the carvings of 3 Confederate soldiers from the American Civil War: Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Stone Wall Jackson. The land Stone Moutain lays upon is owned by the Klu Klux Klan, and is just "rented" out to the state of Georgia for public use. In fact up until recently one of the stipulation of the lease was to allow for yearly Klan rallies at the moutain.

Anyway my town was filled of Affluent middle and upper class caucasian Americans. It was an exclusive area in which North of Stone Mountain were whites and South of Stone Mountain were blacks. The unofficial color divider was HWY 78. My brother who is now 24, was the first black child to go to the local elementary school which was built in 1966. When we moved into the neighbor there was serious White Flight in which many families moved out. We were just one family...College educated Upper middled class family of four we were like the Huxtables no threat to anyone. We lived in neighborhood of retired folks many of which had grown up in these parts and were former Klans members.

So my childhood was not a tramatic experience of racism. In fact it was quite the opposite. I was called Nigger once in my life, but that didnt affect me. My family made a great impression on the neighborhood. Both me and my brother were gifted students in school. My mother was the president of the PTA. We were upstanding citizens. We lived in the neighborhood for 18 and half years.. I am now 20. This was my home. Even our former klan neighbors are now considered really great family friends. My mother and some of my neighbors a couple of years ago had an honest and open talk about how our family changed their misconceptions of blacks and they appologized for snubbing us for the first couple of years we lived there.

Anyway.. So my experience in a all white neighborhood to some extented has tainted my relationship with other blacks. I never feel threated by the beauty of white girls because I was always the exotic one. No one else looked like me and many of my friends equate black culture as pop culture so I was instantly the authority on all things cool. I was a very popular child and confident child.

The times when my insecurities about my beauty as an African American came about when more blacks moved into our community within the last 5 years.. (literally as a result of our undefeated Football and other sports teams. The coaches were actually "unethically" recruiting black atheltics to our school. Pretty much exploitation) The legacy of our sports program can be seen by Jeff Francoeur the former HS football and baseball star turned Atlanta Braves player. Another pull for blacks and other minorites into our area were our top rated public schools which far exceded the education received at black metro atlanta schools.

Anyway my insecruites as a black woman came when I was confronted with other beautiful black women. Before my being exotic automatically put me in a league of my own and I didn't compete with the other [white] girls, but when I was confronted with other black girls I was finially being compared. This time the mixed girls (most notably the 1/2 black 1/2 japanese girl) and the other fairer skinned black girls were getting more attention for how pretty their hair was and how slender their nose was. They were the ones being voted on the homecoming court instead of me. Even now that I'm in college I find it hard to befriend other black girls for fear they will be the prettier "token" black girl. And just interacting with my race as a whole since I grew up in a white area, I "talk like a white girl". I may not be as in touch with things steortypically applied as "black culture". I even find myself being more attracted to white men than I do black men, not b/c I find white men so much better, it's just what I am used to seeing on a daily basis. When I was in school the boys all the girls had crushes on were white and so I didn't really have an altarnative when I was formulating my standards of attraction. All my exes have been white men and now that I have ventured out of my all white community and am in college most of the guys I'm being hit on by are black. And one of my suitors who is a dark skinned black man thinks I won't date him b/c he's black. And there might be some underlying truth to that because I won't date him b/c I am not attracted to him. He doesn't give me the butterfly in my tummy feeling like my Italian ex did. I just tend to be attracted to more caucasian features in men, but that is certainly not to say I won't date a fine black brother.. Lord knows I have seen quite a bit of them in Atlanta! Also as crazy as it seems culturally I feel like I relate better to white people given that I grew up around them and had basically the same childhood experiences and privilages.

Anyway.. I have just been yacking away.. Gave you a whole history of Stone mountain. haha
 

TISH1124

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^^^ Girl tell your story this is Black History Month....Just j/k

That was very enlightening!! Now we know all about you and where you are coming from when you speak....Thanks for writing this it really was good to read and very interesting
 

ThePerfectScore

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Originally Posted by TISH1127
^^^ Girl tell your story this is Black History Month....Just j/k

That was very enlightening!! Now we know all about you and where you are coming from when you speak....Thanks for writing this it really was good to read and very interesting



ha thanks! It was really therapeutic to write... I'm a double major in psychology and sociology so I totally understand how environment and childhood experiences affect our perception of beauty and reality. I know I am not immune from racist thoughts and prejudices... we all are a lil racist haha. We all are the result of our cultural biases.
 

nazneen372

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Wow, this is such an interesting thread.

I've had a lot of experience of the South Asian preference for fair skin. I'm Bangladeshi and an NC45 but my mum is really light-skinned. All my life members of our community (and my extended family!) have commented on the difference, and sometimes people have outright said "how can you two be related?" In Bengali the word most commonly used to "beautiful" (sundor) is actually the same word for "fair" - so technically you can only be beautiful if you're fair. This really sucked as a child - I was just convinced I wasn't, and couldn't ever be, beautiful.

I can list instances and instances of people telling me I'd be pretty if I wasn't so dark, or the old lady who wanted to know why I was still so dark even though I lived in England (as if I could somehow absorb its whiteness!) but it just makes me feel disappointed in my community. I have since learnt to love my skin colour, and myself, but I feel like there's such a way to go before dark skinned women in South Asia start to be Bollywood heroines, for example, and it makes me sad to think of other girls like my younger self, who are made to feel unpretty because of this stupid prejudice.

It seems like the original poster's friend has internalised all this stuff to a seriously unhealthy degree, perhaps once she is a bit older she will start to feel happier in her own skin. She'd really think I was the bottom of the heap as I'm both dark-skinned and seriously curvy!
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I might come back and post again tomorrow but I'm really tired, but I wanted to say thanks to everyone who has posted for all the contributions and stories - real food for thought.
 

ThePerfectScore

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Originally Posted by nazneen372
Wow, this is such an interesting thread.

I've had a lot of experience of the South Asian preference for fair skin. I'm Bangladeshi and an NC45 but my mum is really light-skinned. All my life members of our community (and my extended family!) have commented on the difference, and sometimes people have outright said "how can you two be related?" In Bengali the word most commonly used to "beautiful" (sundor) is actually the same word for "fair" - so technically you can only be beautiful if you're fair. This really sucked as a child - I was just convinced I wasn't, and couldn't ever be, beautiful.

I can list instances and instances of people telling me I'd be pretty if I wasn't so dark, or the old lady who wanted to know why I was still so dark even though I lived in England (as if I could somehow absorb its whiteness!) but it just makes me feel disappointed in my community. I have since learnt to love my skin colour, and myself, but I feel like there's such a way to go before dark skinned women in South Asia start to be Bollywood heroines, for example, and it makes me sad to think of other girls like my younger self, who are made to feel unpretty because of this stupid prejudice.

It seems like the original poster's friend has internalised all this stuff to a seriously unhealthy degree, perhaps once she is a bit older she will start to feel happier in her own skin. She'd really think I was the bottom of the heap as I'm both dark-skinned and seriously curvy!
greengrin.gif


I might come back and post again tomorrow but I'm really tired, but I wanted to say thanks to everyone who has posted for all the contributions and stories - real food for thought.



Haha.. If you could absorb a places whiteness I would be albino coming from where I was raised!

and I'm really surprised my thread took off as much as it did.. it just proves we need to HUG each other as women we all are placed to unfair standards!
 

luvsic

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Originally Posted by ThePerfectScore
OKay LuvSic, and whoever else cares. I grew up in a small suburban town near Stone Mountain in Georgia. So for all y'all who don't know Stone Mountain is a recreational park that has an emphasis on nature. The most notable aspect of this park is well the granite moutain. And the most notable aspect of this mountain are the carvings of 3 Confederate soldiers from the American Civil War: Jefferson Davis, Robert E. Lee, and Stone Wall Jackson. The land Stone Moutain lays upon is owned by the Klu Klux Klan, and is just "rented" out to the state of Georgia for public use. In fact up until recently one of the stipulation of the lease was to allow for yearly Klan rallies at the moutain.

Anyway my town was filled of Affluent middle and upper class caucasian Americans. It was an exclusive area in which North of Stone Mountain were whites and South of Stone Mountain were blacks. The unofficial color divider was HWY 78. My brother who is now 24, was the first black child to go to the local elementary school which was built in 1966. When we moved into the neighbor there was serious White Flight in which many families moved out. We were just one family...College educated Upper middled class family of four we were like the Huxtables no threat to anyone. We lived in neighborhood of retired folks many of which had grown up in these parts and were former Klans members.

So my childhood was not a tramatic experience of racism. In fact it was quite the opposite. I was called Nigger once in my life, but that didnt affect me. My family made a great impression on the neighborhood. Both me and my brother were gifted students in school. My mother was the president of the PTA. We were upstanding citizens. We lived in the neighborhood for 18 and half years.. I am now 20. This was my home. Even our former klan neighbors are now considered really great family friends. My mother and some of my neighbors a couple of years ago had an honest and open talk about how our family changed their misconceptions of blacks and they appologized for snubbing us for the first couple of years we lived there.

Anyway.. So my experience in a all white neighborhood to some extented has tainted my relationship with other blacks. I never feel threated by the beauty of white girls because I was always the exotic one. No one else looked like me and many of my friends equate black culture as pop culture so I was instantly the authority on all things cool. I was a very popular child and confident child.

The times when my insecurities about my beauty as an African American came about when more blacks moved into our community within the last 5 years.. (literally as a result of our undefeated Football and other sports teams. The coaches were actually "unethically" recruiting black atheltics to our school. Pretty much exploitation) The legacy of our sports program can be seen by Jeff Francoeur the former HS football and baseball star turned Atlanta Braves player. Another pull for blacks and other minorites into our area were our top rated public schools which far exceded the education received at black metro atlanta schools.

Anyway my insecruites as a black woman came when I was confronted with other beautiful black women. Before my being exotic automatically put me in a league of my own and I didn't compete with the other [white] girls, but when I was confronted with other black girls I was finially being compared. This time the mixed girls (most notably the 1/2 black 1/2 japanese girl) and the other fairer skinned black girls were getting more attention for how pretty their hair was and how slender their nose was. They were the ones being voted on the homecoming court instead of me. Even now that I'm in college I find it hard to befriend other black girls for fear they will be the prettier "token" black girl. And just interacting with my race as a whole since I grew up in a white area, I "talk like a white girl". I may not be as in touch with things steortypically applied as "black culture". I even find myself being more attracted to white men than I do black men, not b/c I find white men so much better, it's just what I am used to seeing on a daily basis. When I was in school the boys all the girls had crushes on were white and so I didn't really have an altarnative when I was formulating my standards of attraction. All my exes have been white men and now that I have ventured out of my all white community and am in college most of the guys I'm being hit on by are black. And one of my suitors who is a dark skinned black man thinks I won't date him b/c he's black. And there might be some underlying truth to that because I won't date him b/c I am not attracted to him. He doesn't give me the butterfly in my tummy feeling like my Italian ex did. I just tend to be attracted to more caucasian features in men, but that is certainly not to say I won't date a fine black brother.. Lord knows I have seen quite a bit of them in Atlanta! Also as crazy as it seems culturally I feel like I relate better to white people given that I grew up around them and had basically the same childhood experiences and privilages.

Anyway.. I have just been yacking away.. Gave you a whole history of Stone mountain. haha


Wow, thanks for sharing your story....it was really interesting to hear about this..and

As for me, I think I am kind of like you - I was never called racist names in my life, really, I lived in Michigan until I was 10 and race there never seemed to be relevant to anything..when I came down to the South, I never really encountered that much racism either, except maybe in the sorority thing, but that wasn't even outright/direct racism. I am mostly attracted to white men too, like you, because I have grown up around mostly white people all of my life...I mean, not to say I'll never like an Asian man, but most of the guys I've gone on dates before have been white. My sister always told me that cute white guys will only like white girls, and not an Asian girl. That really hurt me deep down, and made me not only angry, but I developed a lot of self hatred for myself after she said that.

I guess you can say I feel a little torn between my culture and American culture...my parents are quite westernized now but still hold onto Chinese traditions and values a lot. So, although I had mostly white friends, I still didn't feel 100% white-washed, because my parents very much held onto our Chinese culture. I was confused for a lot of my life and resented being Asian because it made me different, and in my eyes, a bad way. On the contrary, I was pretty unpopular at my school, there were other Asians, but we were mostly known for just being "smart kids" and nothing more, really. And I was always shy and pretty insecure. The transition to college was not smooth at all, and I found myself completely lost, especially with all of this new exposure to so many Asian kids.

But it is interesting/cool how you never felt like you had to conform to white beauty standards...cause I definitely did growing up, and it killed me. Anyway thanks again for sharing your story...
 

ThePerfectScore

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No problem for sharing my story... Even though I never felt like I had to conform to white standards of beauty I did resent other African American girls who did because to other's they were deemed more beautiful.. I just hated the competition.
 

cupcake_x

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That's a really unfortunate story.. Although you're never really gonna convince her otherwise. I've noticed the skinniness is really popular in North and South Asia. I go to a Chinese restaurant and the woman who works there can't be over 100 pounds- and she says she's fat!

I see how your friend must feel, because the Western culture seems to stress you have to be 95-100 pounds with a C-D bra cup size with blonde hair to be considered "beautiful" is certainly hard. Of course, not everyone here thinks that, might just be the part of the country I'm living in, but that's just my general experience.

I'm the only younger Latina around here, and I get so many "Uh, wow.. Your butt is REALLY huge..." or "Oh wow, your skintone is really crazy."

I say eff it. I don't care if people think my thighs are a little too big, or if I'm too short. As much a cliche as it is, the best thing about someone is self-confidence.
 

Lapis

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Originally Posted by ThePerfectScore
so my question is... How do I get this girl to see that she is beautiful as a woman of color? That she is beautiful as a woman? That she is beautiful as a human being?

well I haven't read this whole thread but I think you don't get her to see this, it's a realization she must come to on her own her beauty, her self worth, her draw that a man would pick her above all others.

As the anti idea of the perfect woman, fat, black and nappy, I didn't have a man settle for me, and truthfully if that is how she thinks how can she ever be happy with a partner always thinking that there is a "perfect" woman who is his ideal and he wants more?
 

ThePerfectScore

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Originally Posted by Lapis
well I haven't read this whole thread but I think you don't get her to see this, it's a realization she must come to on her own her beauty, her self worth, her draw that a man would pick her above all others.

As the anti idea of the perfect woman, fat, black and nappy, I didn't have a man settle for me, and truthfully if that is how she thinks how can she ever be happy with a partner always thinking that there is a "perfect" woman who is his ideal and he wants more?


Haha this thread has exploded so reading it all would take a while... but everyone has told me the same thing...it's on her to see the truth.
 

Belini

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I used to think like this girl but I got over it but sometimes the insecurity comes back especially when I am feeling down about myself. When I was younger I would ask guys out and I would get the following comments:

"Sorry you're too dark"
"You're not blonde"
" I only go out with fair girls"
" I find brown eyes and black hair boring"

and thats just to name a few. Now that I am older and i see women around me pay money to tan or sunbake to make themselves darker, I wonder if men still think like this. I have a friend who is very light skinned and when we used to go out, she would always get asked out. I'd always get the wing man. Anyway I'm working on it, I'm alot better than I used to be thats for sure. But I had to do it on my own. So I started eating better, exercising and looking after myself mentally and physically and I attracted the most amazing man who loves me for ME!
 

ThePerfectScore

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Originally Posted by Belini
I used to think like this girl but I got over it but sometimes the insecurity comes back especially when I am feeling down about myself. When I was younger I would ask guys out and I would get the following comments:

"Sorry you're too dark"
"You're not blonde"
" I only go out with fair girls"
" I find brown eyes and black hair boring"

and thats just to name a few. Now that I am older and i see women around me pay money to tan or sunbake to make themselves darker, I wonder if men still think like this. I have a friend who is very light skinned and when we used to go out, she would always get asked out. I'd always get the wing man. Anyway I'm working on it, I'm alot better than I used to be thats for sure. But I had to do it on my own. So I started eating better, exercising and looking after myself mentally and physically and I attracted the most amazing man who loves me for ME!


that's what I'm looking for!!!! The italian guy I dated, I swear he had a black fetish and just wanted me to fulfill his sexual fantasies. Sure we had some good times out of the bedroom, but he never put in the effort to communicate or truly get to know me as a person. After our two year stand (A one night stand that lasted way too long--which sums up they dynamics of our relationship) I finially can accept the fact that to him my physical attributes, his lust and my young naivety were the only things keeping our relationship together. So It's not true that men are only attracted to white girls. But I need a man who's desire for me goes beyond what I look like and the fact that I'm black.
 

iadoremac

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Originally Posted by ThePerfectScore
that's what I'm looking for!!!! The italian guy I dated, I swear he had a black fetish and just wanted me to fulfill his sexual fantasies. Sure we had some good times out of the bedroom, but he never put in the effort to communicate or truly get to know me as a person. After our two year stand (A one night stand that lasted way too long--which sums up they dynamics of our relationship) I finially can accept the fact that to him my physical attributes, his lust and my young naivety were the only things keeping our relationship together. So It's not true that men are only attracted to white girls. But I need a man who's desire for me goes beyond what I look like and the fact that I'm black.


I second that..............Its hard to find a man thats interested in me as a person and not my looks
 

ThePerfectScore

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I second that..............Its hard to find a man thats interested in me as a person and not my looks

Yes! Men really screw over a good thing when they have it. "So you like the way I am physically but could you please respect the person that I am and value my personality, my wit, my charm, and intelligence." I don't know what he wanted from me besides sex. He never ever acted like he cared about me or what was going on in my life. Yet I extended that courtesy to him. I genuinely loved and cared for that man regardless of what he looked like.
 

Curly1908

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I think beauty is very subjective so what I think you meant is that true love is when people don't seek others' approval concerning the physical beauty of their significant other.
 
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