Well Saddam is finally dead

[GreekChick]

In this particular context, it is hate that drives anyone to the extent of wanting to watch someone die. In my opinion, killing or gaining pleasure out of watching someone die is something you do to feel relieved, avenged. I'm not going to sit here and defend Saddam---twisted monster that he was, he deserved the most horrible punishment ever created. To me, death wasn't it. If anything, you're freeing him --- I mean, so you're killing him? So what? Is that going to undo all the bad things he's done? He took many lives, but what right do you have to take one now? Aren't you the bigger person here?

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by quandolak To me it seems bizarre or even sick in the head to want to watch someones death however horrible that person was. To gain joy out of it however is just screwed up.

I totally agree with you on this. I think it's totally F'd up that they even taped it. And I'm even more disturbed that it's probably going to be one of the more popular U-Tube's. Sadam or not, taking joy from the death of another person is wrong. Two wrongs dont make a right.

I'm not surprised it's on U-Tube though, i was joking about it with my friends that it would be on the interned within 24-hours when they mentioned that they were going to tape it.

 

[Raerae]

I had a texas joke to throw in this thread, but it'll just get modded =P

 

[ilovexnerdsx]

someone please correct me if i'm wrong, but raerae i believe the reason they taped it is so the iraqi people would believe that he was finally dead. other than video, we could just tell them anything.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by quandolak To me it seems bizarre or even sick in the head to want to watch someones death however horrible that person was. To gain joy out of it however is just screwed up.

More like relief, and possibly belief.
Had film not been shown, people would not believe it, even if they saw the body later, and would claim it was a double.

 

[MxAxC-_ATTACK]

Technically couldn't they claim that the man Killed was a double?

( I mean I wouldn't put it past them )

 

[Shimmer]

there are groups in, I believe, Turkey, who already are.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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Originally Posted by ilovexnerdsx someone please correct me if i'm wrong, but raerae i believe the reason they taped it is so the iraqi people would believe that he was finally dead. other than video, we could just tell them anything.

Yeah. I think some news people also claim that the Iraqi people wouldn't believe it until they saw it.

I might be wrong on this, but I don't think the gov't of Iraq expected the footage to be up on YouTube or that people would record it on their camera phones

 

[Shimmer]

there's been an arrest made in connection...so...there is that.

 

[MxAxC-_ATTACK]

oooooo.. I bet someone is really IN for it now!

 

[amoona]

I was just reading online a few minutes ago (Yahoo) that the video was muted out to make it look like they killed him in a dignified manner. In reality they were taunting him before they killed him.

I know the vast majority of you hate Saddam and are glad to be rid of him. Don't get me wrong I'm not a fan and there are evil people I wish would be hung to death (Ariel Sharon being the first) but governments are supposed to be humane right? Especially DEMOCRATIC governments. That's why so many people are pissed about his death ... it's not the fact that he died it's the fact that he was killed on a religious holiday (and the Iraqi government actually postponed the start of this religious holiday so they can kill him) and it wasn't the type of death you'd expect from a government. I know Iraqi Shiites who hate him and are pissed he was killed, it's not a matter of respect for him it's a matter of respect for the country and it's people and their religious beliefs.

I just find it odd that they're post-poning his co-defendants deaths until Thursday (I believe) before of Eid but they couldn't post-pone his death. But once again, he's dead there's nothing anyone can do about it now. It's sad that this had to fuel more fighting between Iraqis, especially during the holidays.

 

[Shimmer]

I think the US asked that it be postponed because of the holidays... I believe I read that somewhere, but I don't remember where, unfortunately.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer I think the US asked that it be postponed because of the holidays... I believe I read that somewhere, but I don't remember where, unfortunately.

They asked Saddam's death to be postponed or his co-defeandents deaths to be postponed?

In my opinion they should have postponed all executions until after the holiday ... he's already locked up four days isn't gonna hurt. Yes his supporters would have still been pissed off but you wouldn't have the entire Muslim world pissed about it.

 

[lemurian]

It is my understanding that Iraq is in charge of the actual executions, i.e. when and how they happen. American forces have nothing to say about it, right? So this amounts to yet another example of how ill-prepared the new Iraqi government is to cope with.. eh, just about anything!

It is very sad, I agree totally with amoona. The Iraqi people have my sympathy, I just don't know what can be done for them at this point

 

[amoona]

Yea from what I know the Iraqi government is in charge. But they're already corrupt. I know this sounds odd to say but Saddam was the ONLY Arab leader that wasn't corrupt. By this I mean in terms of him allowing other countries to run his and stuff ... not meaning him being a "good guy" or anything.

The new government is a bunch of morons with their heads in their ass that have no clue what's going on. I honestly don't think they know what they got theirselves into.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona They asked Saddam's death to be postponed or his co-defeandents deaths to be postponed? In my opinion they should have postponed all executions until after the holiday ... he's already locked up four days isn't gonna hurt. Yes his supporters would have still been pissed off but you wouldn't have the entire Muslim world pissed about it.

That Saddam's execution be postponed...Rueters has the story.

And, it was 15 days they wanted to delay it...

 

[Beauty Mark]

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Originally Posted by lemurian It is my understanding that Iraq is in charge of the actual executions, i.e. when and how they happen. American forces have nothing to say about it, right? So this amounts to yet another example of how ill-prepared the new Iraqi government is to cope with.. eh, just about anything! It is very sad, I agree totally with amoona. The Iraqi people have my sympathy, I just don't know what can be done for them at this point

Here's another link about the US not being involved with the execution

 

[lemurian]

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Originally Posted by amoona The new government is a bunch of morons with their heads in their ass that have no clue what's going on. I honestly don't think they know what they got theirselves into.

That much is obvious. It is such an awful situation, and for me the significance of Saddam's execution is the affirmation that there is no end in sight. If deposing Saddam was the purpose of us invading, well.. it's done and yet it seems as though we both (Americans and Iraqis) face more problems than before. I can't see any good coming from US troops either staying or withdrawing, other than perhaps fewer American soldiers being killed, but then wouldn't the Iraqi casualties go up? Gah.. .my head is spinning.

I cannot see Saddam Hussein's death as anything positive no matter how much I want to. Everyone likes to see a bad guy go down, but in this case it seems to have come with such a high cost

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by lemurian That much is obvious. It is such an awful situation, and for me the significance of Saddam's execution is the affirmation that there is no end in sight. If deposing Saddam was the purpose of us invading, well.. it's done and yet it seems as though we both (Americans and Iraqis) face more problems than before. I can't see any good coming from US troops either staying or withdrawing, other than perhaps fewer American soldiers being killed, but then wouldn't the Iraqi casualties go up? Gah.. .my head is spinning. I cannot see Saddam Hussein's death as anything positive no matter how much I want to. Everyone likes to see a bad guy go down, but in this case it seems to have come with such a high cost

Yea I hear ya! The thing with me is that yes I am opposed to the war because I think it is being fought for alternative reasons. However if the US government had a plan and had a genuie care for the Iraqi people like they claim to now then I would understand. At this point in time all we can hope for is that everything falls into place ... as unrealistic as that seems.

 

[Shimmer]

Amoona - the only thing I can say is that the Iraqi people (the ones who are there) must be willing to help themselves.
It truly DOES NOT benefit anyone when on Monday the soldiers are defending a village from a group of native people, then on Wednesday, the military (ours and theirs alike) is called in to defend the people they were fighting two days before...and fight the people they were defending.