Wow, this is RIDICULOUS. (Take II)

[amoona]

They didn't call 911 they called campus police ... I attend two different college campuses, they don't have dispatchers to their police office. One is a community college the other is a UC. I know this because we deal with the police all the time because our organization has been given death threats.

kaliraksha, the guy was on his way out when he was attacked. And I agree that many young people in this country do not respect the police. BUT from what everyone is saying this kid did nothing of the sort. He was on his way out when he got attacked. Just because these cops may have had experience in the past with students disrespecting them, it doesn't give then the justification to attack another student.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Ladybug10678 London? Not violent? Someone is obviously NOT reading the news. Violence levels in the UK aren't low. London today is more violent thatn it was when I left it for the last time 6 years ago. Violence is everywhere, spearheaded by youths.

ok seriously it's not that serious! it has nothing to do with the topic. i made a sidenote to someone. get over it people! wtf does everyone have against london and the uk?!

 

[kaliraksha]

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Originally Posted by little teaser i dont know exactly what happen and im not saying what they did wasnt wrong but being cautious has nothing to do with being racist, after 911 the us has every right to be suspicious and cautious of people and after all those school shootings and deaths police has every right to be cautious i think there train to take control of a situation befor it gets out of hand or deadly in a situation like that they dont sit there and scracth there heads and try to figure what his intentions are it only takes one second for it to turn bad so if the police ask him to do something he should of cause argueing with them is gonna make things turn ugly

I agree with precaution, however... out of curiosity, don't most expensive nice libraries such as UCLA have metal detectors? Hence, preventing the idea that this kid could be more dangerous than them?

 

[Shimmer]

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are you serious?

 

[MAC_Whore]

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Originally Posted by amoona ok seriously it's not that serious! it has nothing to do with the topic. i made a sidenote to someone. get over it people! wtf does everyone have against london and the uk?!

She is someone who has lived there and was pointing out the reality of violence in London. I don't think it was a disparaging comment. Just stating a reality.

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Originally Posted by amoona ...I know this because we deal with the police all the time because our organization has been given death threats...

What college organization was that? Death threats? Got me curious.

 

[MAC_Whore]

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Originally Posted by ♥MiCHiE♥ I think the main problem with police officers nowadays is the fact that they don't know what the hell they're doing.

I feel that is a really broad and unfair statement. Unless you have served on several police forces throughout the US, I really don't feel that you have grounds to say that. They do a truly difficult, highly necessary and usually thankless job.

 

[MAC_Whore]

Here is my take:

First of all, IMO a true opinion about the whole situation cannot be formed from the poor audio and barely existent / shakey footage taken from one angle. What we are looking at does not include what transpired before the police arrived.

What I observed:

The student was being verbally abusive to the police and non-complient. They used non-lethal force to try to gain control over the student. It would have been unsafe to the police officers and the student to try to drag him down the concrete stairs in the state he was in.

They asked him to get up before they tazed him. He declined to obey. The student's behaviour continued to elevate. They warned him to obey or face getting tazed again. He declined and continue to antagonize the police. His muscles had enough time to recover from the tazing and get up if he had wanted to do so.

The police saw a young man being non-complient and increasingly angry. They had to consider the fact that this student could pose a danger to himself and other students. Until they could contain him, cuff him and stand him up, they could not accurately assess whether or not the student was armed in any way. The police have to err on the side of caution.

If the student had been armed, had bad intentions and the police had failed to control him, there would have been a lot of dead kids on their hands. Then most likely everyone would be mad at the police for failing to control the situation.

The police where outnumbered and the students were becoming increasingly aggressive in their words and their movement towards the police. Which brings me to my only bit of criticism about the police behaviour. At the point where the students became quite verbally upset and closed in their proximity to the police, the police perhaps should have reevaluted the change in situation, weighed the risks and attempted to carry/drag the student down the stairs. Continuing to taze the student at that point was just working up the other students and possibly creating a more dangerous situation.

 

[kimmy]

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Originally Posted by amoona They didn't call 911 they called campus police ... I attend two different college campuses, they don't have dispatchers to their police office. One is a community college the other is a UC. I know this because we deal with the police all the time because our organization has been given death threats.

i am well aware that they did not call 911. BUT, by regulation all calls must go through a central call station, where it goes through a dispatcher.

trust me. i'm in the final stages of being hired with a law enforcement agency and the first step was to learn these procedures and regulations.

i'm not saying they did it properly though, because i don't know. but, if it was done properly, it had to go to a central call station. and no, colleges do not have their own dispatchers, the call is sent to the city or county's central call station.

 

[little teaser]

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Originally Posted by kaliraksha I agree with precaution, however... out of curiosity, don't most expensive nice libraries such as UCLA have metal detectors? Hence, preventing the idea that this kid could be more dangerous than them?

maybe he was or wasnt, i dont know and oviously no one else knew that answer either.. but to answer your question about the metal detectors thats like saying that if some one goes through metal detectors at a airport then the plane is safe and no one could be dangerous

 

[amoona]

MAC_Whore - I'm a part of two college student organizations. One is at San Francisco State University called GUPS - General Union of Palestine Students and the other is at UC Berkeley called SJP - Students for Justice in Palestine.

As far as her living in London and putting her two cents in ... who cares?! It wasn't a comment towards the actual subject. It was a side comment and my personal opinion and from what I have heard from people who live in London. It's not something for people to get butthurt off of when I wasn't directed it at them and it wasn't on topic!

kaliraksha - I actually didn't think about the metal detectors but now that I think about it the community college I went to had metal detectors in their library haha. It would be pretty sad is UCLA couldn't afford them but my old community college could.

 

[MAC_Pixie04]

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Originally Posted by Raerae America is Violent? You do read the news right? =P I think there are plenty of places that would LOVE to be as violent as the United States. I hear Iraq is beautiful in the spring time...

I do have to agree that america is pretty violent, statistically speaking. We have more violent, intentional deaths than most countries. But that's irrelevant and not an excuse. And it also doesn't mean we're more or less violent than other countries, but we have more recorded statistics that say so, if you wanna base it on that.

That's got nothing to do with this incident though.