2008 Presidential Candidates Comparison ( Side By side)... DOn't know what to think.

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TISH1124

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Originally Posted by Shadowy Lady
I watched and enjoyed the debate even as a non-American and someone that doesn't really support either party. I think pretty much all Republicans will say that Obama was rude for calling McCain "John" and Democrats will say that McCain was rude for not looking at Obama in the face.

I doubt the debate contents and how the candidates behaved will change any of the supporters' minds.

Looking forward to the VP debate now
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I have an early flight Friday morning but I'll still try and watch it.


I think this is the most REAL comment I have read on this entire post.

I think voting is a personal choice and it should be a personal decision. Just because two people do not support or agree on the same candidate does not make either one of their points of views right or wrong. That is why everyone is given an individual vote.. to vote for the candidate of their OWN choosing...not Mary's, Kathy's or John's choice. How kids address their parents, teachers etc is based on how they are raised at home according to their own parents personal beliefs. Just because my son says yes sir and no sir to all adults I do not fault another child because he merely says yes or no.
There are so many other ways of disrespect that we as adults do on a daily basis...because we are human and we have faults...Some of us forget that the Presidential Candiates are also human and they have faults...We are not voting for the perfect person...Because God is not running for President.
 

florabundance

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Originally Posted by Shimmer
For the same reason it's wrong for a child to call a parent by first name, or a teacher by first name. Even as an adult, I don't call my old teachers by name. It's disrespectful and displays a lack of consideration for their position.
Why is simple respect hard to extend?


I think that simple respect can be shown in ways other than the name with which you address a person. And Obama has shown great respect toward his opposition throughout his campaign.
 

TISH1124

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My Mother had my sister when she was 15 and me when she was 17...She was made to get married at 15 because she was pregnant. My Dad was drafted to go into the military and was killed when he was 19. My sister I were for the most part raised in whole by my grandparents so that my mom could back to high school and get her diploma. In that raising I knew my mom was my mother but I called my grandma, Mommy because my mom did and called my grandpa, Daddy because my mom did...My mom was called by her nickname because in the late 60's that is all I new and that was all I was taught.
My mother graduated HS, worked to help provide for us and then went to college while we continued to stay home with my grandparents. After college she got a good job and re-married my now step-father (whom I love dearly) and we moved in with them until we graduated college and moved out on our own.
My mom is my Mother, My bestfriend and the most wonderful person I know and I respect her more than any person that has ever walked this earth for what she has been through and statistically overcome in her lifetime. My Grandma was my Mother and my grandma and I loved her until the day she died. However, I still to this day refer to my mom by her nick-name and I call her Mom at times too but not a lot..But calling her by her nickname is 100% not out of disrespect or out of been raised in a bad way. I consider myself very lucky...Because I had two women who loved me & they were both my moms...Maybe not in name-calling...But in love and in respect. No one knows what children go through and what they deal with on a day to day basis that cause them to call their mothers or fathers by their first name...Everyone did not grow up in a "Leave It To Beaver or Good Times" type household. Some kids are lucky just to know their mom or dad. So please know that all kids do not grow up as lucky as those that grew up having a family...Some kids do not even know what the word family means they can only hope to be a part of one. There are many forms of disrespect but to say that this is one..Is being quite judgemental of people and personal situations that we probably have no clear personal knowlegde as to why they call their parents by their first name.
The Presidential debate has nothing to do with what or how kids refer to their parents. If you guys feel it was disrespectful for him to refer to him as John...just say that...why bring other kids and how they refer to their parents into the equation. Totally not relevant IMO.

What is considered wrong and direspectful in YOUR opinion does not make it the rule or fact.
 

M.A.C. head.

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Originally Posted by red
Well if they were at a White House barbecue than its cool to call each other in a more informal manner ;-)

But this is a presidential debate on national television, where you defend your position that you’re the best person to do the job. Part of this, as future head of state, is to be able to address people using the correct protocols under every circumstance. Obama lacks this “filter” mechanism, and probably thought by calling McCain “John” would somehow make him seem more as his equal or peer … but had the opposite effect. This “familiarity” was not correct in these circumstances, that’s all.
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Did you not see that I already agreed to disagree?

It's called an opinion, and I'm allowed to have one too, even if it's not the same as yours.
 

valabdalnabi

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Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
So when someone grants an interview to Fox News, the entire article is false? Do you see that the article is sourced from someone other than Fox News and that the actuarial firm ran these numbers on their own impetus?



Here you go. An article from a month and a half ago that says the exact same thing and makes no mention of Fox News. From the AJC.



Atlanta actuarial firm: McCain has 8.4 "healthy" years left, and Obama has 21.9 | Political Insider | ajc.com


And just in case that's not non-Fox News-y enough, here's ANOTHER article from a different paper where a DIFFERENT statistician reaches a similar conclusion.



Actuary: John McCain a survivor - BostonHerald.com


...thats fine but the articles you posted got their information only from actuaries. What about his future mental clarity? It is natural for people to lose their mental sharpness as they age. ...anways here is some info. on an article I found in reponse:

But no one really knows. Actuaries like Brooks make statistical calculations for insurance companies, based on numbers culled from large databases. No matter how sophisticated, they can't predict anyone's future.
"There a randomness to it that we don't know," said Ron Gebhardtsbauer, who directs the actuarial science program at Penn State's Smeal College of Business.





.....I seriously don't really think people will base their decisions just on Mccains current and future age, health and mental clarity trust me....but it is a concern-considering all his health problems. Palin definately isnt qualified to become president- but that's my opinion- Im entitled to have one too. I am waiting to see her debate with BIDEN on Thursday. People will probly really think about what is important to them personally and for their families future...what ever that may be. I know my reasons.
 

valabdalnabi

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Originally Posted by elegant-one
First of all, the fundamentals of the economy are we the people, the everyday hard working tax paying people & business owners. That's part of what McCain was referring to.

Second, McCain does understand full well about a very basic & necessary fact that the tax cuts must be made permanent, lower tax rates grow the economy & help families & businesses.

Again, Obama wants to grow an already bloated Government with more & more programs & entitlements (he listed them in his speech).The government does not create wealth or grow the economy - they only spend.


Thats not in my opinion what McCain was referring to"we the people"-but go ahead and believe it if you want to but he doesnt fool me. A decade ago McCain voted for legislation to "deregulate" the banking and insurance systems-- voting to sweep aside rules that were put into place since the great depression to try and protect "we the people" from another financial crisis like another depression happening NOW!!!. This deregulation he supported and passed let financial markets run wild...and now look where that got us..."We the people"" get stuck with the tab. And now As the Bush administration desperatley tries to fix the collaspe of our economy that they- helped destroy -now Mcain is now desperatley trying to change his role into the savior...and changing his position as a deregulator into a regulator.

"I'm always for less regulation," he told the Wall Street Journal in March. Then said: "I'd like to see a lot of the unnecessary government regulations eliminated."

I am tired of listening to all this garbage when all his "experience" helped to get us in this mess we are all in today. We need to start from the bottom up this time.
 

Shimmer

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Originally Posted by valabdalnabi
...thats fine but the articles you posted got their information only from actuaries. What about his future mental clarity? It is natural for people to lose their mental sharpness as they age. ...anways here is some info. on an article I found in reponse:

But no one really knows. Actuaries like Brooks make statistical calculations for insurance companies, based on numbers culled from large databases. No matter how sophisticated, they can't predict anyone's future.
"There a randomness to it that we don't know," said Ron Gebhardtsbauer, who directs the actuarial science program at Penn State's Smeal College of Business.





.....I seriously don't really think people will base their decisions just on Mccains current and future age, health and mental clarity trust me....but it is a concern-considering all his health problems. Palin definately isnt qualified to become president- but that's my opinion- Im entitled to have one too. I am waiting to see her debate with BIDEN on Thursday. People will probly really think about what is important to them personally and for their families future...what ever that may be. I know my reasons.





Jesus Christ.
If the actuaries had said "Dude. We elect McCain and he runs a strong risk of a heart attack by next winter" you'd be ALL. OVER. IT.
You'd be touting it as latest research and development and a strong reason to avoid the candidate. You'd be telling us fact and figure why these companies know their stuff.

But they didn't.

So now their information is irrelevant to you.


Awesome.
 

TISH1124

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The information is only relevant if it favors your candidate of choice...If it does not favor your candidate of choice it is irrelevant. We all listen to what we want to hear and believe the sources that we want to believe if they seem in our best interest at the time. My grandmother swore by the "Globe" magazine...which in my opinion is Tabloid Trash...but she was entitled to read, believe and trust in what she wanted to..."Freedom of Choice" prevails in most situations....and fortunately we all have a choice on which candidate we want to vote for...Thanks to "Change" all citizens in the US do have the right to vote if they are of legal age and not convicted of a felony. There was a time when this privilege was not a choice for all US citizens.

Again politics goes back to personal choice and personal opinions.
Opinions are like a$$holes...we all have one...some small, some large and some are down right stank to the core but their ours. My only problem with opinions are when they go past an opinion and become personal attacks of character. Thats when I tend to want to forget My "Mama's" raised me right.

This will certainly be my last post on Politics unless I feel someone is making it personal about "me" because people need to honestly AGREE to DISAGREE and move around.

And I am sure my Director would like me to do some work today and get my a$$ off Specktra
 

MAC_Whore

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MSNBC.com
PBS’ Ifill dismisses questions of partisanship
‘They can watch the debate ... make their own decisions,’ moderator says

The Associated Press
updated 5:02 p.m. ET, Wed., Oct. 1, 2008


PBS journalist Gwen Ifill, moderator of the upcoming vice presidential debate, dismissed conservative questions about her impartiality because she is writing a book that includes material on Barack Obama.

Ifill said Wednesday that she hasn’t even written her chapter on Obama for the book “The Breakthrough: Politics and Race in the Age of Obama,” which is to be published by Doubleday on Jan. 20, 2009, the day a new president is inaugurated.

“I’ve got a pretty long track record covering politics and news, so I’m not particularly worried that one-day blog chatter is going to destroy my reputation,” Ifill said. “The proof is in the pudding. They can watch the debate tomorrow night and make their own decisions about whether or not I’ve done my job.”

The day before the Joe Biden-Sarah Palin debate, columnist Michelle Malkin wrote in the New York Post about Ifill’s book, saying, “She’s so far in the tank for the Democratic presidential candidate, her oxygen delivery line is running out.”

John McCain, though, spoke highly of the reporter in an interview with FOX News Channel. “I think Gwen Ifill is a professional and I think she will do a completely objective job because she is a highly respected professional,” he said Wednesday.

In its online description of the book, Doubleday says that Ifill “surveys the American political landscape, shedding new light on the impact of Barack Obama’s stunning presidential campaign and introducing the emerging young African American politicians forging a bold new path to political power.”

Ifill said Obama’s story, which she has yet to write, is only a small part of the book, which discusses how politics in the black community have changed since the civil rights era. Among those subjects is Colin Powell, secretary of state in the Bush administration.

The host of PBS’ “Washington Week” and senior correspondent on “The NewsHour” said she did not tell the Commission on Presidential Debates about the book. The commission had no immediate comment when contacted by The Associated Press. A spokeswoman for John McCain’s campaign did not immediately return phone and e-mail messages.

Ifill’s resume includes jobs at The New York Times, the Washington Post and NBC News. She moderated the 2004 vice presidential debate between Dick Cheney and John Edwards.

She said it was the publisher, not herself, who set the Inauguration Day release date. It will be released then whether Obama wins or loses.


Although Malkin raised the topic of Ifill’s impartiality the day before the debate, the PBS journalist said that Time magazine noted she was writing a book in August, and that it has been available for pre-sale on Amazon.com. The book also is mentioned in a Sept. 4 interview she gave the Washington Post.

Ifill questions why people assume that her book will be favorable toward Obama.

“Do you think they made the same assumptions about Lou Cannon (who is white) when he wrote his book about Reagan?” said Ifill, who is black. Asked if there were racial motives at play, she said, “I don’t know what it is. I find it curious.”
 

purrtykitty

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If Ifill comes across as favoring the Democratic party and Palin is able to hold her own, I think that will change a lot of minds about Palin. Up until now, McCain has kept close tabs on Palin, so this will be her first real test. I really hope that Ifill is able to keep her personal opinions/biases to herself and let the candidates debate the issues.

I'll be watching, but probably more to see if Biden can get both feet in his mouth.
 

rbella

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^^^I think she did very well. I wasn't offended at all. I think both parties were treated equally.
 

PuterChick

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I don't think it comes down to whom calls whom what!!

I want a President that can get the U.S. out of this predicament that we are in. In the past 8 years, I've had friends/family businesses close down, lose jobs, etc.

I will say this, when Clinton was in office, things were really good for me than they are now, the country was in the black. Since G. Dubya has been in office, the country tanked. Before becoming President, he drove many businesses down the crapper and now he is doing it with our country. I myself want a Democrat back in office, I want Obama so bad that I am volunteering my time to get him elected. It will probably take Obama a long time to get us back to where we were before Bushie took office.
 

user79

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Sarah Palin comes off as such a huge airhead, I can't believe she might be VP, or even President, seeing McCain's health condition and old age. I really have to ask myself if McCain comes into office...
 

SparklingWaves

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~ A bit off topic ~

Regarding the V.P. debate, my deaf kitty was really interested in the monitoring system used by the focus group during the debate. In fact, I would say he was truly obsessed with it and got a great deal of exercise by constantly attacking my television set. I tried putting him in another room and he screamed like crazy and threw himself at the door repeatedly.
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So, needless to say, I let him out again and back he went at the lines that were moving on the television set. GRRR! I really wanted to take that darn monitoring system off of my television set.
 

SparklingWaves

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I have NEVER seen Chancy act this way. It was insane. I kept seeing the back of his little head, ears, paws, and half of his body going up and down at my television set. GRRR!
 
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