2008 Presidential election - poll
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ShugAvery2001
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We can disagree about wedge issues... you know 'moral issues' and even taxes. Although..paying taxes has never put an american in the poor house or took them from middle class to say lower middle class....
when i say positive change.. i'm talking about matters of war and peace, torture, image, protection of civil liberties, transparency and things of that nature.
I can only hope.
but anyways i think you'll be surprised at the number of republicans obama appoints to his cabnet. forget the uber liberal claim cause thats false.
What do you think about the great number of republicans that endorsed Obama.
Who would you have liked to see on the republican ticket
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Originally Posted by purrtykitty
And I understand that, but positive changes in one person's eyes may be a negative change in another's. All I'm saying is the country is not going to be united like it was after 9/11, no way, no how. |
We can disagree about wedge issues... you know 'moral issues' and even taxes. Although..paying taxes has never put an american in the poor house or took them from middle class to say lower middle class....
when i say positive change.. i'm talking about matters of war and peace, torture, image, protection of civil liberties, transparency and things of that nature.
I can only hope.
but anyways i think you'll be surprised at the number of republicans obama appoints to his cabnet. forget the uber liberal claim cause thats false.
What do you think about the great number of republicans that endorsed Obama.
Who would you have liked to see on the republican ticket
TISH1124
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It's your vote...you can vote for whomever you want...It's your choice....
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| Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
My candidate is not going to win. I've been avoiding a lot of real life discussion about whom I voted, simply because I've been yelled at for voting Green party. Even though I'm registered to vote in MA and I feel that Obama doesn't fit my beliefs. Do people who vote Libertarian get themselves in hot water for not voting Republican? I really don't like the accusations that voting for another party could ruin it for Obama |
It's your vote...you can vote for whomever you want...It's your choice....
*Stargazer*
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I tell people that they are delusional if they think that me voting Libertarian means that I took a vote from McCain or Obama. If there hadn't been a third party option(s), I wouldn't have voted at all. I certainly wouldn't have cast a vote for either of those tickets.
People make the erroneous assumption all the time that all those Nader voters cost Gore the 2000 election. Many of them wouldn't have voted for Gore if they had to pick between Gore and Bush and it's a very arrogant assumption to believe otherwise without actually asking someone.
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| Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
Do people who vote Libertarian get themselves in hot water for not voting Republican? I really don't like the accusations that voting for another party could ruin it for Obama |
I tell people that they are delusional if they think that me voting Libertarian means that I took a vote from McCain or Obama. If there hadn't been a third party option(s), I wouldn't have voted at all. I certainly wouldn't have cast a vote for either of those tickets.
People make the erroneous assumption all the time that all those Nader voters cost Gore the 2000 election. Many of them wouldn't have voted for Gore if they had to pick between Gore and Bush and it's a very arrogant assumption to believe otherwise without actually asking someone.
ShugAvery2001
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you voted mckinney?
good for you. I wish we had more competition by third parties in this country.
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| Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
My candidate is not going to win. I've been avoiding a lot of real life discussion about whom I voted, simply because I've been yelled at for voting Green party. Even though I'm registered to vote in MA and I feel that Obama doesn't fit my beliefs. Do people who vote Libertarian get themselves in hot water for not voting Republican? I really don't like the accusations that voting for another party could ruin it for Obama |
you voted mckinney?
good for you. I wish we had more competition by third parties in this country.
Beauty Mark
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Not only does she fit my beliefs more, but also I hope that next election another party is getting some airplay. I find it really sad that people have to really hunt for the other parties.
I basically asked this because I not only get flack from random people, but I also have gotten it from friends who think I'm somehow helping the McCain campaign by not voting Obama. I was also curious, because I know Nader got a lot of flack in 2000, but I never heard about the Republicans getting on someone else's case for running. I imagine it happened, but I wasn't sure
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| Originally Posted by ShugAvery2001
you voted mckinney? good for you. I wish we had more competition by third parties in this country. |
Not only does she fit my beliefs more, but also I hope that next election another party is getting some airplay. I find it really sad that people have to really hunt for the other parties.
I basically asked this because I not only get flack from random people, but I also have gotten it from friends who think I'm somehow helping the McCain campaign by not voting Obama. I was also curious, because I know Nader got a lot of flack in 2000, but I never heard about the Republicans getting on someone else's case for running. I imagine it happened, but I wasn't sure
PMBG83
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Heck yeah girl youre right. Squash all that talk...Ill be happy as all hell for Obama to win. Youre too nice b/c I wasnt disappointed with bushs election and reelection I was down right pissed the first time and livid with his reelection. The hope in his eyes does singal a better tomorrow for me!
You still didnt get back to me on my rap, wuz up?
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| Originally Posted by ShugAvery2001
Well... you can never 'please' everyone. I'm not really saying that. I know i was pissed in 2000 and 2004. I will never forget those elections. Hopefully, the new administration will be able to make some positive changes. substantive changes. |
Heck yeah girl youre right. Squash all that talk...Ill be happy as all hell for Obama to win. Youre too nice b/c I wasnt disappointed with bushs election and reelection I was down right pissed the first time and livid with his reelection. The hope in his eyes does singal a better tomorrow for me!
You still didnt get back to me on my rap, wuz up?
ShugAvery2001
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uhhhhhhhh
keep ya day job
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| Originally Posted by PMBG83
Heck yeah girl youre right. Squash all that talk...Ill be happy as all hell for Obama to win. Youre too nice b/c I wasnt disappointed with bushs election and reelection I was down right pissed the first time and livid with his reelection. The hope in his eyes does singal a better tomorrow for me!
You still didnt get back to me on my rap, wuz up? |
uhhhhhhhh
keep ya day job
*Stargazer*
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This is something else I hate about this system. We should not let politicians campaign the way they do. The amount of money spent in these races is abhorrent. Two consistently corrupt parties shouldn't have the strangehold that they do.
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| Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
I find it really sad that people have to really hunt for the other parties. |
This is something else I hate about this system. We should not let politicians campaign the way they do. The amount of money spent in these races is abhorrent. Two consistently corrupt parties shouldn't have the strangehold that they do.
PMBG83
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Yeah Mccain didnt get me in a tizzy so much as Palin. Mccain actually beat out the more conservative nominees which I was happy about.
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| Originally Posted by TISH1127
Agreed...I was disappointed with Bush's win ...But oh well the majority voted and he was the choice of the majority...So everyone had to accept and deal... No difference... I truly have no problems with McCain...My main concern was Palin...for my own personal reasons. |
Yeah Mccain didnt get me in a tizzy so much as Palin. Mccain actually beat out the more conservative nominees which I was happy about.
Shimmer
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The Irreverent Homemaker Magazine | Outdoors
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| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
This is something else I hate about this system. We should not let politicians campaign the way they do. The amount of money spent in these races is abhorrent. Two consistently corrupt parties shouldn't have the strangehold that they do. |
The Irreverent Homemaker Magazine | Outdoors
purrtykitty
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But, the point is, for some the issues you highlighted are also wedge issues. War, general Constitutional issues, etc...are just as personal as the issue of taxes and 'moral issues'.
I do hope that Obama can see past his own party and choose persons for his cabinet that are best suited for that position. What concerns me most is having an entirely Democratic-run government. There would be no checks and balances. I certainly hope that Obama and the Dems will see their election as being the result of a country fed up, rather than necessarily falling in line with the core Democratic ideals. I hope that the Dems won't take advantage of having such a powerful position, because the very thing that killed the Republicans this time around could happen in four years.
McCain as the choice of the Republicans was fine with me. His choice of Palin bothered me, but hind-sight is 20/20. McCain got a lot of flack for not being close enough to the core ideals of the party, so he chose a VP candidate that was...and that choice clearly backfired. Looking at it now, Romney would've been a much better choice.
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| Originally Posted by ShugAvery2001
We can disagree about wedge issues... you know 'moral issues' and even taxes. Although..paying taxes has never put an american in the poor house or took them from middle class to say lower middle class.... when i say positive change.. i'm talking about matters of war and peace, torture, image, protection of civil liberties, transparency and things of that nature. I can only hope. but anyways i think you'll be surprised at the number of republicans obama appoints to his cabnet. forget the uber liberal claim cause thats false. What do you think about the great number of republicans that endorsed Obama. Who would you have liked to see on the republican ticket |
But, the point is, for some the issues you highlighted are also wedge issues. War, general Constitutional issues, etc...are just as personal as the issue of taxes and 'moral issues'.
I do hope that Obama can see past his own party and choose persons for his cabinet that are best suited for that position. What concerns me most is having an entirely Democratic-run government. There would be no checks and balances. I certainly hope that Obama and the Dems will see their election as being the result of a country fed up, rather than necessarily falling in line with the core Democratic ideals. I hope that the Dems won't take advantage of having such a powerful position, because the very thing that killed the Republicans this time around could happen in four years.
McCain as the choice of the Republicans was fine with me. His choice of Palin bothered me, but hind-sight is 20/20. McCain got a lot of flack for not being close enough to the core ideals of the party, so he chose a VP candidate that was...and that choice clearly backfired. Looking at it now, Romney would've been a much better choice.
darkwater_soul
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I personally loved Nader... and I would vote for him if I thought he'd have a snowball's chance in he** of winning, but I went for Obama, because he closely resembles my views, with just a few off. Technically, it doesn't hurt the GOP, because it's looked upon as either GOP or other party, unfortunately. But, it is your vote! Vote for whom you choose, for whatever reason, and no one elses!
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| Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
Not only does she fit my beliefs more, but also I hope that next election another party is getting some airplay. I find it really sad that people have to really hunt for the other parties. I basically asked this because I not only get flack from random people, but I also have gotten it from friends who think I'm somehow helping the McCain campaign by not voting Obama. I was also curious, because I know Nader got a lot of flack in 2000, but I never heard about the Republicans getting on someone else's case for running. I imagine it happened, but I wasn't sure |
I personally loved Nader... and I would vote for him if I thought he'd have a snowball's chance in he** of winning, but I went for Obama, because he closely resembles my views, with just a few off. Technically, it doesn't hurt the GOP, because it's looked upon as either GOP or other party, unfortunately. But, it is your vote! Vote for whom you choose, for whatever reason, and no one elses!
*Stargazer*
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Oh my, that is so spot on to what I think about the system.
I'll tell you what else bugs me. These people lose races and frequently WALK AWAY from the money they owe people who provided services for their campaigns. Only politicians can get away with that kind of theft.
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| Originally Posted by Shimmer
The Irreverent Homemaker Magazine | Outdoors |
Oh my, that is so spot on to what I think about the system.
I'll tell you what else bugs me. These people lose races and frequently WALK AWAY from the money they owe people who provided services for their campaigns. Only politicians can get away with that kind of theft.
TISH1124
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So True...I was just listening to that today...Companies talking about how they are left holding the debt for enormous light bills, supplies etc...
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| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
Oh my, that is so spot on to what I think about the system. I'll tell you what else bugs me. These people lose races and frequently WALK AWAY from the money they owe people who provided services for their campaigns. Only politicians can get away with that kind of theft. |
So True...I was just listening to that today...Companies talking about how they are left holding the debt for enormous light bills, supplies etc...
*Stargazer*
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And very, very frequently they are small businesses who can't easily absorb the loss of income.
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| Originally Posted by TISH1127
So True...I was just listening to that today...Companies talking about how they are left holding the debt for enormous light bills, supplies etc... |
And very, very frequently they are small businesses who can't easily absorb the loss of income.
TISH1124
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Right...They should all be on a pay up front basis due to the history of the businesses being left holding the bill.
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| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
And very, very frequently they are small businesses who can't easily absorb the loss of income. |
Right...They should all be on a pay up front basis due to the history of the businesses being left holding the bill.
kaliraksha
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Seems CNN predictions believe Obama is our next president. 297 electoral votes predicted, only 270 needed to win... more state's votes still processing.
President - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
Seems CNN predictions believe Obama is our next president. 297 electoral votes predicted, only 270 needed to win... more state's votes still processing.
President - Election Center 2008 - Elections & Politics from CNN.com
