2008 Presidential election - poll

[aleksis210]

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Originally Posted by couturesista I respect eveyone's opinions and views. I just encourage everyone to vote regardless of who u vote for!

I agree, just make sure you do your research and vote for who you think represents you the most! I vote for Angelina Jolie! Oh she's not running? oh..

..um.

 

[TISH1124]

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Originally Posted by aleksis210 I agree, just make sure you do your research and vote for who you think represents you the most! I vote for Angelina Jolie! Oh she's not running? oh.. ..um.

I think AJ should be forced to trade lips with me..Thats all though because as much as I love kids...I would be even more

than I already am if I had to deal with that many in almost the same age ranges.

 

[ShugAvery2001]

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Originally Posted by *Stargazer* Which would make the 7 years she's speaking about the war in Afghanistan.

right... I just wanted to provide everyone some clarity around the years. It is easy to forget because both wars get relatively low media coverage.

 

[lizardprincesa]

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Originally Posted by TISH1127 Again, IMHO.... Isn't this basically the SAME thread that was closed, just reworded? As adults, Do we not all honestly feel there has been enough controversy on this board regarding this particular topic...

Tish, the thread you speak of didn't begin with exactly the same premise,
and commenced much earlier on.

I'm acquainted with a few people who were
"on the fence" earlier, & have recently changed their minds.

As for controversy, won't controversy always emerge
when politics are discussed?

Politics is all about *people.*
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It is obvious that there is no happy medium when it comes to this issue..so why rehash it?

I think it has been reopened so anybody who may have felt shy or timid about posting in the aforementioned thread,
can hopefully have his/her say now.

Now a person who may feel timid can simply cast an anonymous vote.
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I truly hope every person who has an opinion can voice his/her feelings without feeling intimidated.
(I hope I didn't intimidate anyone in the "other" thread. If so, I do apologize.)

I see only 2 Parties' candidates were mentioned. I don't know if the OP can go in & change that;
if not, perhaps anyone who wishes to vote for someone who isn't mentioned
can post here....

Please vote, everybody who can, even if you don't do so here on Specktra.

Peace & HeartVibes,
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CherylFaith
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[yodagirl]

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I've done my research on all of the Presidental hopefuls this year (McCain, Obama, Nader, Barr, Baldwin, McKinney) to know, without a shadow of a doubt, that I'll be able to vote confidently in the November election. Who I vote for is my business and mine alone, but I won't have any reservations that I made the right decision in the end.

 

[rbella]

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa Now a person who may feel timid can simply cast an anonymous vote. ​

I guess I don't see how casting an anonymous vote on a makeup forum is a way of "voicing" your opinion if you were so intimidated before. Going to vote in the actual election will be voicing your opinion. If one is too intimidated to speak on this board, simply casting a vote doesn't mean that they have "overcome" the "intimidation" you speak of. This simply seems like a way to say "hey, look! all these people agree with me, so we must be right and you other guys must be wrong." It's quite childish, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa I truly hope every person who has an opinion can voice his/her feelings without feeling intimidated. (I hope I didn't intimidate anyone in the "other" thread. If so, I do apologize.)

I hope you mean that because your actions and words kept me from posting quite a bit in the other thread because of your irritation with me over something as minute as your username. If you get upset with me over that, how will you will respond when I disagree with your opinions on politics?

For the record, I cast my ballot here, and it was undecided. However, I can honestly say that this particular thread is not exactly making want to be an Obama supporter.

 

[AlarmAgent]

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Originally Posted by rbella For the record, I cast my ballot here, and it was undecided. However, I can honestly say that this particular thread is not exactly making want to be an Obama supporter.

Is that due to some personal acrimony with members of this forum who DO support Obama, or is it because you don't like his platform? No one on this thread has really gone into the latter, and I just hope it isn't the former, because that is no reason to not vote for a person.

edit: I didn't participate in the last thread, mostly because I was unaware it existed. I haven't read it, so I have no stake/opinion on that matter.

 

[rbella]

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I don't particularly like his platform and yes, personal acrimony has something to do with it. I have yet to see opinions rise from particular posters in both threads that change my mind and, unfortunately, the actions of those same posters make me wonder about the kind of person that would vote for him.

However, I do keep in mind that there are several posters on here that do support him (TISH, Aleksis and ShugAvery comes to mind) who make concise, clear and fair arguments and not arguments based on childish behavior.

That being said, I also believe that there have been childish arguments based on support for McCain. I just feel that this thread was not intended to be used as a place for open and honest debate. I feel it is very one-sided and unfortunate.

 

[AlarmAgent]

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Originally Posted by rbella I don't particularly like his platform and yes, personal acrimony has something to do with it. I have yet to see opinions rise from particular posters in both threads that change my mind and, unfortunately, the actions of those same posters make me wonder about the kind of person that would vote for him. However, I do keep in mind that there are several posters on here that do support him (TISH comes to mind) who make concise, clear and fair arguments and not arguments based on childish behavior. That being said, I also believe that there have been childish arguments based on support for McCain. I just feel that this thread was not intended to be used as a place for open and honest debate. I feel it is very one-sided and unfortunate.

I'm sorry to hear that, in regards to personal acrimony for people other Barack Obama getting in your way of voting for him. However, if it is his platform you don't much agree with, that is perfectly understandable. We all have different values. What exactly does he stand for that you disagree with? Perhaps we could discuss it, there have been a lot of misconceptions about the Democratic platform.

McCain has supporters who both think that Obama is a dangerous Muslim, and that somehow if he WAS Muslim, that would mean he is dangerous. McCain has some supporters who would be voting for Obama if he was completely white. I don't begrudge every McCain supporter the albatross of those voters. If they have chosen to support McCain due to alignment with his issues, that is fine, and I wouldn't make them answer for the other representatives of their party.

Really, the kind of people that support Barack Obama are your neighbors, your co-workers, and in any other everyday people you might see. One or two experiences with supporters that you find childish shouldn't color your opinion of around 50 percent of America's population who consider themselves Democrats, just as one or two bad apples in the Republican party don't color my opinion of everyone who considers themselves conservative.

As for this thread's intention, I have no idea. I don't know anything of the political history of this board.

 

[rbella]

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Originally Posted by AlarmAgent I'm sorry to hear that, in regards to personal acrimony for people other Barack Obama getting in your way of voting for him. However, if it is his platform you don't much agree with, that is perfectly understandable. We all have different values.

Just so we are on the same base here, I do not agree with the majority of what his changes will be once he gets in office. The comment regarding disdain for certain posters was strictly because they are so deadset on "changing" the minds of those "on the fence". I am "on the fence" and their methods would sway me the opposite direction. Their arguments are not arguments based on anything other than childishness.

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Originally Posted by AlarmAgent McCain has supporters who both think that Obama is a dangerous Muslim, and that somehow if he WAS Muslim, that would mean he is dangerous. McCain has some supporters who would be voting for Obama if he was completely white. I don't begrudge every McCain supporter the albatross of those voters. If they have chosen to support McCain due to alignment with his issues, that is fine, and I wouldn't make them answer for the other representatives of their party.

I'm sure McCain does have supporters like that. Which is ridiculous. However, I'm sure that Obama has supporters that think McCain is a "murderer" because he is not for ending the war as fast as Obama supporters think we should or that McCain is an "evil money grubber". Both sides have supporters who are out of their damned minds, doesn't mean that all supporters are the same.

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Originally Posted by AlarmAgent Really, the kind of people that support Barack Obama are your neighbors, your co-workers, and in any other everyday people you might see. One or two experiences with supporters that you find childish shouldn't color your opinion of around 50 percent of America's population who consider themselves Democrats.

As are McCain's supporters. As I said before, I think both sides are being childish in a myriad of ways in both threads. However, I don't agree with this conjured up notion that all Obama supporters are just "everyday people like you and me". I don't support either, but my mother supports McCain and is about as much of an everyday human being you could come across.

I agree that bad experiences with a few posters shouldn't color my opinion. I was mostly trying to make the statement that if this thread was intended in anyway to gain support for Obama, it did not succeed for me.

 

[AlarmAgent]

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Originally Posted by rbella I agree that bad experiences with a few poster shouldn't color my opinion. I was mostly trying to make the statement that if this thread was intended in anyway to gain support for Obama, it did not succeed for me.

Alright then, if that was the intention of the thread, it didn't accomplish what it set out to do. However, I'm not sure that was the intent. I don't think any of us can be.

I agree that McCain supporters can be anyone as well, I wasn't trying to suggest that they're some seperate, "non-everyday" group. I was just saying, since you questioned what kind of people support Obama, that they can be anyone. No one questioned who could support McCain, so I didn't address that.

Perhaps the posters that want so fervently to change the minds of those on-the-fence feel that this election is very important, which it is. When people declare themselves as "undecided", they're almost asking to be informed, either way. How else are you going to come to a decision, if you're not receiving information? Perhaps looking it up yourself, but the assumption is that has already been done, and you still aren't sure.

 

[rbella]

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^^^It might be beneficial to read the other thread to see where I'm coming from. The original poster as well as another active poster in this particular thread made it clear that they felt opinions were "stifled". The thread was shut down because of personal attacks made by the original poster and then she re-opens the issue with this thread. The whole thing is ridiculous and seems like nothing more than a waste of time and a way to be argumentative. If people who are on the fence are truly on the fence and need guidance, I would suggest getting that information elsewhere than from personal opinions posted on a makeup board.

 

[AlarmAgent]

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Originally Posted by rbella ^^^It might be beneficial to read the other thread to see where I'm coming from. The original poster as well as another active poster in this particular thread made it clear that they felt opinions were "stifled". The thread was shut down because of personal attacks made by the original poster and then she re-opens the issue with this thread. The whole thing is ridiculous and seems like nothing more than a waste of time and a way to be argumentative. If people who are on the fence are truly on the fence and need guidance, I would suggest getting that information elsewhere than from personal opinions posted on a makeup board.

Hm, I see. It's a huge thread, and I'm not going to read it, but because of that, I'll also abstain from commenting on the more personal aspects of this thread. Disregard what I said above, because like I said, no idea of the history of this forum. I'll just come in when things get strictly political.

I also am in total agreement with people who are undecided getting their information from somewhere other than a makeup forum.

May I suggest OnTheIssues.org - Candidates on the Issues to anyone still not sure; it is a very non-partisan, fact-oriented website that just lists the candidates positions on popular and important issues. It also includes third-party candidates of all stripes.

 

[rbella]

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^^^I understand not wanting to read it. It is looonnnggg!! Thanks for talking this out in a nice, non-condescending manner! It was nice talking to you and I appreciate your opinions.

 

[kimmy]

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do we really need to go through this again?

at least let's keep personal attacks out of it this time and keep it ON TOPIC.

 

[missworld]

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Originally Posted by TISH1127 Again, IMHO.... Isn't this basically the SAME thread that was closed, just reworded?

No, it is not.
The other thread was started with anti-Obama propaganda and quickly degenerated into a partisan battle.

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Originally Posted by TISH1127 As adults, Do we not all honestly feel there has been enough controversy on this board regarding this particular topic...

The point of this poll is everyone gets to have their voice heard without fear of personal attack or offending the grandees of the board.
You will note at this point more people have 'voted' than the total of all of the protagonists in the thread you refer to.


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Originally Posted by TISH1127 the 100 page thread that had to be closed mainly due to the back and forths of this topic.. that has begun again. Why?

I am not going to get into debate in this thread, that was never this threads purpose.

Peace

missworld

 

[missworld]

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Originally Posted by yodagirl I've done my research on all of the Presidental hopefuls this year (McCain, Obama, Nader, Barr, Baldwin, McKinney) to know, without a shadow of a doubt, that I'll be able to vote confidently in the November election. Who I vote for is my business and mine alone, but I won't have any reservations that I made the right decision in the end.

The force is strong with this one!

missworld

 

[TISH1124]

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Originally Posted by lizardprincesa Tish, the thread you speak of didn't begin with exactly the same premise, and commenced much earlier on. I'm acquainted with a few people who were "on the fence" earlier, & have recently changed their minds. As for controversy, won't controversy always emerge when politics are discussed? ​ Politics is all about *people.*​ I think it has been reopened so anybody who may have felt shy or timid about posting in the aforementioned thread, can hopefully have his/her say now. Now a person who may feel timid can simply cast an anonymous vote.​

Let me Respectively respond

I am not real sure how the other thread initially began....But I am 100% sure how it ended. I am 100% sure how this one began...and I see that it to has taken a path in accordance with the last thread.
I don't personally feel a person should be considered timid simply because they choose not to voice who they are voting for. Voting to some people is a private thing and that should be totally respected. It however speaks nothing about whether they are timid in any manner. It simply says to me they are probably taking the stance of.....I don't care to get in a political battle on a make-up forum or with people I don't know or with people who are biased or with people who are argumentative or with people whose opnions don't mean squat to me AND mainly because their vote is their own business.

I don't talk about politics either...Yes I have an Obama avatar, so everyone knows who I am supporting...However, those words have not been voiced here because I don't care to debate or justify my decision...My Choice, My Vote.
I am not going to tell people why I feel one Candidate is better suited to be President than the other...Why, because everyone needs to make their own informed choice on who they want to vote for based on their own personal situation and their own educated research..Not based off information provided from people you don't even personally know or based off the fact you heard it on a makeup forum. Not to say there are not a lot of educated people on here..I can tell there are many...simply by the way they write and word their responses...However this does not alter how I think nor should my words alter theirs.
I like people for who they are..not for who they are voting for.
I don't like certain animals...does that mean no one else should? No, it just means it is my preference and I am entitled to like or dislike the animals of my choice.
It is also very obvious that there are quite a few people on here that like to jerk on others strings in a roundabout way with their backhanded remarks. They jump all over people who seem to favor the candidate that they don't in such a demeaning manner....I think that is immature and totally unnecessary. How do we preach peace when we are constantly disturbing the peace.
I try to practice what I preach...that is what makes me a good friend, a good mother, a good wife and mainly a good Christian. In keeping my share of the peace... .I will not be responding further to this thread or any other thread regarding Obama/Biden or McCain/Palin. Just because people make different choices than I do does not make their choice right or wrong...It makes it freedom of choice. I would have no friends if we all agreed on the same issues....We choose our battles and we make personal decisions on what exacty is worth discussing..and what will only cause unnecessary conflict.

Now...what new items from MAC are you anxious to try?

 

[civicbabe627]

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Obama has my vote as well.

 

[couturesista]

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^^^TISH, XOXOXOX^^^ Im dying to get the Holiday Brush Sets!