Black MAC Barbie?

asnbrb

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It would be nice to have more than a Caucasian doll, but I honestly doubt it. Not only would they have shown it by now to drum up sales, but it would cost X amount of dollars MORE to mass produce a black or an Asian Barbie. This is an offshoot product- something more collector than not, not an actual product that has commercials during the cartoons. That's just like how they have the designer's Barbies (Zac Posen or Dooney and Burke, for example) and how they usually don't have another choice in race/hair color- just the collector doll.

btw: let me just say that it was very disheartening as an Asian girl growing up to find out that the "Asian" doll had purple or blue eyes.
 

Raerae

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btw: let me just say that it was very disheartening as an Asian girl growing up to find out that the "Asian" doll had purple or blue eyes.

You mean people in Asia dont have Anime Hair and eyes? I've been so decieved!
 

asnbrb

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You mean people in Asia dont have Anime Hair and eyes? I've been so decieved!

yup! And our boobs usually aren't the size of our heads either. Sorry to burst your bubble!!


heeheeheeheehee
 

oddinary

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Originally Posted by Raerae
You mean people in Asia dont have Anime Hair and eyes? I've been so decieved!

I know!
Reminds me Sailor Moon and all those other japanese cartoons - they would always have super big eyes that are coloured these fancy colours! I mean, most Asians are the opposite, they have small eyes opposed to BIG HUGE eyes with super long lashes! (most Asians, I refer to the Chinese, Japanese, Korean)
 

MxAxC-_ATTACK

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thats because most anime, isnt drawn with asians in mind. Its drawn with americans in mind. hence the large eyes. and breasts.
 

Raerae

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thats because most anime, isnt drawn with asians in mind. Its drawn with americans in mind. hence the large eyes. and breasts.

Thats just one style of anime... There are lots of very realistically drawn styles. And all things considered, that style of anime has been around for a much longer time than American's have been exposed to it. Wasn't that style originally adopted from Disney cartoons? Like the big animated feature movies? I used to watch a lot of anime in Highschool lol... And some of the people i knew were huge Otaku's or however you spell it LOL!

But i highly doubt the Asian's are drawing for an American audiance, considering most anime isn't even avail in the united States. You have to special order it and have it shipped into the states. Probably less so now, compared to 10 years ago anyways. It was really rare back then.
 

Indigowaters

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Wait a minute. How did this turn into a discussion about Asians and anime? No offense to my Asian sisters, but I thought this was about the discussion of if an African-American Barbie was coming out? Correct me if I'm wrong.
 

kimmy

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i haven't seen or heard anything about an African American Barbie to be released by/with the MAC collection. however, i think that contrary to popular belief it isn't a race issue, i think it's a fiscal issue. it costs hundreds of thousands of dollars to produce and package a doll, so from a fiscal stand point, the wise choice is to produce only one. especially since it's only a limited thing.

and i don't really think that any MAC or Barbie consumers of different ethnicities should feel alienated by that, because i just...don't feel like it's a race thing at all. just a money thing.
 

MAC_Whore

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters
Wait a minute. How did this turn into a discussion about Asians and anime? No offense to my Asian sisters, but I thought this was about the discussion of if an African-American Barbie was coming out? Correct me if I'm wrong.

I think because both races have the common issue of identifying with what pop culture produces and just the natural flow of conversation.
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In reading this thread, I think that some of the confusion over the comments is stemming from some people looking at Barbie as a "person"/charecter and others are looking at Barbie as a brand.

In all honesty, I don't see why it would be all that hard to produce Barbies in different races. It would fit MAC's creed. In all fairness, if they were to do that, then there should be black, asian, latina, eastern indian, native american, middle eastern, aboriginal, pacific islander, macanese, etc. barbies.
 

geeko

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I agree with The Anthem that there's mostly likely to be only the white barbie because of fiscal issues too. However much i'd like my race to be represented (i'm a asian), i understand that there are certain monetary constraints that M.A.C faces

I'm lookin forward to see the actual barbie IRL though...
 

Silent

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I think the reason that the Barbie doll released with this collection is a white one is primarily because "Barbie" (the character) is white. While there were lots of dolls from other races released under the Barbie brand name, these were usually "friends and family" of the original doll. If MAC were to release a series of different skintones they would probably have to give them different names.

This is taken from wikipedia, there is a lot more information on there if you want to read it.

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Barbie's full name is Barbara Millicent Roberts, and over the years she has been given many companions, the best known being her beau Ken (Ken Carson), who made his debut in 1961. Like Barbie, Ken shares his name with one of Ruth Handler's children. Barbie and Ken have a famous on-off relationship and they announced a split in 2004 which seems to have been only temporary. Other longstanding friends in Barbie's ethnically diverse social circle include Hispanic Teresa, African American Christie and Steven (Christie's boyfriend), and Kayla.
 

Shimmer

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MAC isn't the one responsible for the production of the Barbie doll.
MAC contracted Mattel to create a collector's doll for this specific collection.
BARBIE is, was, and always will be blond.
Barbie's FRIENDS are of a multitude of ethnicities. Barbie is the doll, but Barbie is also the brand.
 

Shimmer

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Please read the thread before commenting. *Ugh*

I believe I can choose to do whatever I want to with my money without checking with someone first to see if it offends them. When you saw the title, what was your first thought? “I’m going to come on here and start something or give them a piece of my mind”? It may be ridiculous to you, but I want something that represents me and my culture and if you don’t like it, oh well.

I just wonder why is it that whenever people of an ethnic background on this board express a want or need for something that reflects them or their culture, do people choose to get offended? Usually these are people in the minority, because I don’t think everyone feels that way. But if they did, this would be a very boring country with no diversity.


You're, of course, entitled to do as you wish with your own money.
I think the reason the reply was made to your comment was because you said that if there was a black Barbie you might be interested in this collection...and that *sounds like* you're saying that if there's NOT a black doll, you aren't interested in it.

Personally, I don't understand your position. Quite honestly, Barbie as a doll is just that...a doll. It/she means nothing, other than slick packaging and smooth marketing. MAC and Mattel have a PRIME market here w/the collectors of both brands.
Mattel has put Barbie in positions most women in the world have only dreamt of being. She's been a fairy, she's been a doctor, a veterinarian, an astronaut, a big sister, a girlfriend, a rock star, an American Idol contestant, WNBA player, a multi sport Olympian, cheerleader, dentist, nurse, pediatrician, surgeon, officer in the US Army, Navy, and Marine Corp, a pilot, USAF Thunderbird, United States President, Presidential Candidate, UNICEF summit Ambassador, Ambassador for World Peace, firefighter, police officer, a FREAKING MOUNTIE!!!, flight attendant, NASCAR driver, paleontologist, a cowgirl, a chef, the list goes on. Barbie has done more on the "equalization of women" front than ANY toy out there...and she's done it while maintaining a smile and looking good doing it.

Our daughters don't need women of a specific race to look up to and emulate. Our daughters need WOMEN to look up to and emulate, regardless of race.
I don't care if Oprah's black, I want my daughter to see that she's worked DAMN HARD to get where she's at and Oprah gives back. I don't like or respect much of what Angelina Jolie does, but I want my daughter to see that by being a person who gives to people who have never had, she's a better person for it, regardless of her race.

It's not about race. It's not about identifying with race. You know what the difference between me and a black, asian, latin, or indian woman is? Not a damn thing other than what we do with our lives and the choices we make.

I'd a whole hell of a lot rather my daughter identify with a woman for who she is rather than what she looks like or what her ethic background is listed as on the census paperwork.
 

Beauty Mark

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I would normally agree with that idea, but hasn't Mattel made a black Barbie that is identical to the white Barbie except in skin color and hair color? I mean, same outfit, same everything. They never made it known that the doll was not Barbie herself but Barbie's friend.

The Barbie and friends idea is a good idea and makes sense. I don't think that they make it all that clear. The only people I knew existed in Barbie's world were Barbie, Ken, and Skipper.
 

Shimmer

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I remember Kyra the Hawai'an (I think?) friend, and Teresa.
The dolls are all sold under the Barbie brand, but they are all named differently.
 

little teaser

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im not going to buy the doll because im not a doll collector
so if you ladies are really disapointed about not haveing a black barbie, this collection will have a t-shirt you could get instead of the doll that's what im going to buy and from the pics i saw of the shirt i think it's a outline of barbie not full feature(if that makes sense) so in the shirt there really isnt a race, i will try and find the pic and post if i can
 

Shimmer

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Just an aside here.
When I was in second grade we did a project where we sat in front of a projector, and our teacher traced our shadows onto paper she'd hung on the chalkboard.
My momma put my hair in a ponytail EVERY DAY and my outline resembled the Barbie outline to a really really spooky degree
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Raerae

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
I would normally agree with that idea, but hasn't Mattel made a black Barbie that is identical to the white Barbie except in skin color and hair color? I mean, same outfit, same everything. They never made it known that the doll was not Barbie herself but Barbie's friend.

The Barbie and friends idea is a good idea and makes sense. I don't think that they make it all that clear. The only people I knew existed in Barbie's world were Barbie, Ken, and Skipper.


Thats incorrect... You have to go to the other thread though... I posted many links to barbie's of different races that used different head molds than the white barbie.
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by little teaser
ok this is the pic that i found hope that helps

Where is the t-shirt with the barbie head outline filled in, in white, and not black? I dont think i'll be interested in this collection if they dont have a t-shirt that I can identify closer with.
 
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