California - Prop 8 - PASSED

[banjobama]

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Originally Posted by MAC_Pixie04 1. Those heterosexual blabbermouths cheating on their spouses and having affairs behind theirlovers backs; how could they forget that that's one of the 10 commandments, since they wanna lean so hard on the bible. 6. The out-of-wedlock baby boom! It's fantastic; I don't knock people for having babies out of wedlock, I don't give a shit what you do. But don't be so self-righteous that you wanna deny homosexual couples the right to marry and adopt children who need homes while you run around and breed like there's no tomorrow without even half a thought about marriage.

They can do what they want as long as they repent on their deathbed, or whatever. Yeah, as long as you tell Jesus you're sorry in the end, you can live your life however horribly you want. BS!!

And having children out of wedlock, or having children she can't afford, is a woman's "right." You have to support her lifestyle choice to have kids she doesn't need, because she's a woman and having children is a right and blah blah blah. It makes me mad too! You want to have a kid once you can provide a good life, not just because you want to or you can.

 

[Shimmer]

YouTube - MSNBC Keith Olbermann on Prop 8, Marriage and more!

 

[MAC_Pixie04]

I now have extremely warm passionate feelings for Keith Olbermann

 

[zeroxstar]

I've been so upset about this passing since it happened last week. I was up most of Tuesday night refreshing the page as the votes came in. Living in Cali it's easy to think people are open, especially if you live around the bay area... but you drive 40-50 min down the freeway in any direction and there are alot of conservative cities who are still very closed-minded about these issues, and base it all on religion (though why people think they can pick and choose what to follow in the Bible is beyond me).

When I got to school the next day the first thing one of my friends did was pass me a note saying "I can't marry... I'm so sad, Cali is my home, but I'll have to move if I want to get married" I was so sad I almost cried again.

No matter how people "feel" about gay marraige, it's not anybody's right to vote on somebody's ELSE's marriage... I mean, how would we feel if somebody had to vote to decide if we could get married?? More importantly, how are two gay people getting married going to affect YOUR marraige??

It's so funny how we treat marraige like it's this sacred institution in our country, when divorce chances are at about 50% and you can get married drunk off your ass at 2 am.... but God forbid a same-sex loving committed couple can get married. Ugh..makes me sick!

/rant

 

[Dice1233]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer YouTube - MSNBC Keith Olbermann on Prop 8, Marriage and more!

This is excellent.

 

[AdlersMommy22]

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Originally Posted by banjobama And having children out of wedlock, or having children she can't afford, is a woman's "right." You have to support her lifestyle choice to have kids she doesn't need, because she's a woman and having children is a right and blah blah blah. It makes me mad too! You want to have a kid once you can provide a good life, not just because you want to or you can.

whao wait. That's ridiculous. I had my child out of wedlock and I had him because from the SECOND I found out I was pregnant I loved him. I didnt have him just because i was like "hey... cool. I'm pregnant.. Im going to have tons of babies out of wedlock and live on the state and sit on my deadbeat ass and hope that someday someone will provide my child with a good life besides me."... thats insane.

My decision to have my child is just as much my right in this country as it is to not have had my child. do NOT knock my decision or other women's decisions to have their children out of wedlock. I find that extreamly offensive.

I truley hope that im misunderstanding what you're saying here.

ETA- I want to go on record to say that i find it sad that women do NOT work their hardest to provide a good life for their children that they do chose to have. I work my ass off to provide for my son and he has an AMAZINGLY good life. The kid does not go without at all. Im not condoneing that women go out with no form of birth control and just constantly get pregnant. That's ridiculous. But accidents DO happen.

I have a cousin who has had 8 kids. 8. Sometimes I just want to look at her and go "Jenny- do you know that they sell the pill??"

But thenagain I was on the pill and used a condom and still got pregnant. So shit happens. You deal with it. And my decision was to keep my child and provide the best life for him as possible. Do I agree with abortions? No. But Ive learned to respect the women who chose to get them and respect their decision, so I expect the same respect for my decision to keep my child.

 

[Debbie]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark Damn. That's a huge rain cloud. I don't understand CA, though. They're a "blue" state, yet Schwarzenegger is the governor and now they do this.

Oddly enough, he was against Prop 8 as well. This was one of the propositions that was truly a testament about one's feeling towards homosexuality. This proposition united liberals and conservatives alike on BOTH sides of the Prop. I know many Democrats or liberals that voted Yes, as well as conservatives/Republicans that voted no.

I'm starting to like Arnold =)

 

[abbyquack]

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Originally Posted by AdlersMommy22 whao wait. That's ridiculous. I had my child out of wedlock and I had him because from the SECOND I found out I was pregnant I loved him. I didnt have him just because i was like "hey... cool. I'm pregnant.. Im going to have tons of babies out of wedlock and live on the state and sit on my deadbeat ass and hope that someday someone will provide my child with a good life besides me."... thats insane. My decision to have my child is just as much my right in this country as it is to not have had my child. do NOT knock my decision or other women's decisions to have their children out of wedlock. I find that extreamly offensive. I truley hope that im misunderstanding what you're saying here.

Well I can't speak for banjobama, but what I *think* the message being conveyed was is that many people's excuse for why gay marriage is bad is for the "sanctity" of marriage and how if gay people get married all of a sudden marriage won't be sacred anymore. However, many (not all) heterosexuals therefore go on to disprove their point by a) abusing or cheating on their spouse or b) do things that are religiously thought of as "marriage" practices. Let's be honest, most hardcore religious fanatics (most of the YES on 8 ppl) would think that marriage is about having children, therefore a child born out of wedlock could be construed as anti-tradtional marriage, yes? So it's just hypocritical of people to say gay marriage is wrong but it's okay to have a child out of wedlock. Why should I or anyone else judge what people do in their personal lives? If someone has a child out of wedlock or a gay couple wants to be married, it's all good. The alternative lifestyles have to be accepted because naturally not everyone is going to fit into just one kind. Hell there are tons of people who neither fit in the straight nor the gay lifestyle. I hope this makes sense!

 

[TISH1124]

Yeah I took it as ...No sin is greater than the other ...which is according to the bible and as long as you repent for what is deemed a sin you will be forgiven. But that's IMO of what it was saying...

 

[AdlersMommy22]

Thanks guys that makes more sense- I hope that's what she was saying

Tish- I also might add that according to the bible you also have to be truley sorry for what you are repenting for

I think its funny that a lot of people who repent and are forgiving think "well.. I did "x" .. but if I ask God's forgivness for it he'll give it to me..." and then turn right back around and do "x" again. Blah that annoys me too.

Lol ACTUALLY. That reminds me of my son's father. When I told him that *i* considered abortion to be a sin and refused to have one- he told me "thats what confession is for".. I said "so I get to do what I consider is killing my own child and then go confess it and everything's all good? I dont think that's how that works." LOL

I suppose- I dont get to say "Im going to go rob a bank and kill 3 people.. but afterwards I'll be a swing by my ole church and confess my sins.. then I'm cool." haha.

I dont believe that a gay person should have to "repent" for being gay. If they dont consider it a sin then that's their thing. I think a lot of people consider some things a sin while other people consider them not a sin.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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Originally Posted by Debbie Oddly enough, he was against Prop 8 as well. This was one of the propositions that was truly a testament about one's feeling towards homosexuality. This proposition united liberals and conservatives alike on BOTH sides of the Prop. I know many Democrats or liberals that voted Yes, as well as conservatives/Republicans that voted no. I'm starting to like Arnold =)

I'm not sure how I feel about him, but he earns more respect for me for that. I don't think it's necessarily a testament of how you feel about homosexuality, unless it's that they're people too and deserve same results. I know many people, who are against homosexuality for religious reasons yet support gay marriage because of it not being a religious decision

 

[ohnna-lee]

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Originally Posted by AdlersMommy22 Thanks guys that makes more sense- I hope that's what she was saying Tish- I also might add that according to the bible you also have to be truley sorry for what you are repenting for I think its funny that a lot of people who repent and are forgiving think "well.. I did "x" .. but if I ask God's forgivness for it he'll give it to me..." and then turn right back around and do "x" again. Blah that annoys me too. Lol ACTUALLY. That reminds me of my son's father. When I told him that *i* considered abortion to be a sin and refused to have one- he told me "thats what confession is for".. I said "so I get to do what I consider is killing my own child and then go confess it and everything's all good? I dont think that's how that works." LOL I suppose- I dont get to say "Im going to go rob a bank and kill 3 people.. but afterwards I'll be a swing by my ole church and confess my sins.. then I'm cool." haha. I dont believe that a gay person should have to "repent" for being gay. If they dont consider it a sin then that's their thing. I think a lot of people consider some things a sin while other people consider them not a sin.

I thought you were married...

 

[AdlersMommy22]

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Originally Posted by ohnna-lee I thought you were married...

huh? Nope. Not even close lol. My fiance left me when he found out I was pregnant and I wouldnt get an abortion. No marriage for me.

 

[kariii]

what makes me mad is that our residents of California believe animals should have more rights than us as humans? There are already laws being implemented to regulate the welfare of animals in farms but WHY must you take our rights away from us as human beings and go as far as changing our constitution.


I love animals and all, but I believe it's screwed how uneducated people are before they vote. The Mormons and their commercials about children being educated about gay marriages in school and then coming back home like they just caught a case of herpes. WHATEVER! I really hope it gets re-appealed.

 

[abbyquack]

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Originally Posted by kariii I love animals and all, but I believe it's screwed how uneducated people are before they vote. The Mormons and their commercials about children being educated about gay marriages in school and then coming back home like they just caught a case of herpes. WHATEVER! I really hope it gets re-appealed.

If I might, I'd like to remind everyone not to blame Mormons for Prop 8 passing - I am Mormon (probably not what you consider a typical one though) and I am VERY against Prop 8. I fight tooth and nail for equal rights, and was absolutely heartbroken to see a lot of Mormons be bigoted. In fact, my aunt is one of these people who would go to "yes" rallies in San Diego every weekend, and I don't know if I will ever be able to look at her in the face again. I'm irritated that my church got involved, especially when a lot of the information they used was deceptive, but I don't think people realize how many Mormons are supportive of gay marriage. Every day I find more and more mormon people who are for gay rights. TONS, a lot more than one would ever imagine, it's amazing how many mormons are level-headed. Also, consider that sure, the members donated a lot of money to "yes", but it's up to the individual voter to make a decision, and even if the all the 2% of Mormons in cali voted yes, it wouldn't have made a difference. So please please don't target mormons because there are lots of us that are exhausting our efforts towards changing minds. ok done ranting!

 

[AdlersMommy22]

Omg has anyone seen this? I just ran across it on one my friend's pages on facebook.. it's great!

"Prop 8 - The Musical" starring Jack Black, John C. Reilly, and many more... from FOD Team, Jack Black, Craig Robinson, John C Reilly, and Rashida Jones

 

[OfficerJenny]

totally random but since this thread was bumped i wanted to ask

how can someone be yes on 8, but say they have gay friends who they love and treat them the same as all their other friends.

that's something i've heard so so much throughout the election and I can't comprehend how it could ever make sense ever.

 

[Dice1233]

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Originally Posted by AdlersMommy22 Omg has anyone seen this? I just ran across it on one my friend's pages on facebook.. it's great! "Prop 8 - The Musical" starring Jack Black, John C. Reilly, and many more... from FOD Team, Jack Black, Craig Robinson, John C Reilly, and Rashida Jones

OMG, this made my day! I'm studying for finals and national boards and that was just the break I needed - thanks for posting this!

 

[ohnna-lee]

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Originally Posted by OfficerJenny totally random but since this thread was bumped i wanted to ask how can someone be yes on 8, but say they have gay friends who they love and treat them the same as all their other friends. that's something i've heard so so much throughout the election and I can't comprehend how it could ever make sense ever.

I think people like to pick and choose what they feel is right. Especially religious people, I feel if you are going to judge anyone, then you are not a true follower of god... at least not with the religions I am familiar with. People are hypocrites and stand behind their religion to be outright bigots not even trully realizing that it is way out of line with being in harmony with nature. Believe me, if it wasn't meant to be Adam and Steve somewhere down the line he would have made men inexcessable to other men...

wow it fits! AND MAN DOES IT FEEL GOOD! If sex was for breeding only then it wouldn't have been made to feel good for both sexs. Sex is about the coupling up of partners, it has never been about the opposite sex... this is something that society has labeled it, not the human form.

Those who sin like to cast the first stone, I think this is the major downfall of people, no one has the right to judge and I think it is pure hypocrisy to stand there and say you are against two people securing a life just because it isn't your ideal. There are many religious folk that cheat and do it before getting married and have kids out of wedlock and have unpure thoughs and yada yada yada, waah get over it, not everyone wants your type of normalcy. Not everyone is the same, and you have to be welcoming of change and difference. We are human, and I am glad you raised this question.

I probably could have put it more eloquently, but people as a whole suck and like to pick on that which is different. People are meant to thrive and prosper... I don't think we are running out of people any time soon, we do have many babies that would adore a loving home, how anyone would deny that to a child when they are so far and few today is beyond me. People are people no matter the background or situation you can find good and bad in everyone of them. They have come out of the closet and have been liberated, I think it is a damned shame to take steps backwards now. It's the time to advance and grow. Gay couples are here to stay and have been here since the beginning of time, just because it is against some people's morals or standards does not mean it is wrong.

 

[cupcake_x]

50% of marriages end in divorce anyway, what's the big deal if two people of the same people get married? (as long as it's two consensual adults of course...)

What ever happened to seperation of church and state?