California - Prop 8 - PASSED

[AdlersMommy22]

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Originally Posted by *Stargazer* Californians Against Hate - Fighting for marriage equality - Proposition 8 Note the number of religious organizations on the list who funded support for Proposition 8. Starting with... The Knights of Columbus. Or the US Conference of CATHOLIC BISHOPS.

i dont know the us conference of catholic bishops but i know for sure that the knights of columbus is not 100% supported by the catholic church. My grandfather is a head knight for the KoC

 

[Shadowy Lady]

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Originally Posted by FullWroth I'm also totally up for ferrying gay people over to Canada to get married. I will be your underground rainbow, er, railroad! Canada's only 45 minutes away!

lol, that's exactly what I was gonna post. I invite all gay couples to come and get married here

 

[amelia.jayde]

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Originally Posted by NutMeg I agree with what you're saying, but I have to point out that this case the law would say nothing about a Catholic priest (I think that was what you were saying) wanting to perform a gay marriage, but the Catholic Church would have a hell of a lot to say about it. It's not a matter of what an individual priest believes, if he's catholic he's going to have to follow their rules. And I don't think that should be regulated by law in any way shape or form.

i see what you're saying. someone said that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed in the catholic church. i guess i'm just kind of confused about it and how it ties into this thread. i just think the law should allow gay people to get married, in general, and other than that, it should be up to the church/priest/minister/whoever's in charge to decide whether or not they want to be a part of it... i guess i just gave a bad/misinformed example, haha.

 

[AdlersMommy22]

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Originally Posted by amelia.jayde i see what you're saying. someone said that gay marriage shouldn't be allowed in the catholic church. i guess i'm just kind of confused about it and how it ties into this thread. i just think the law should allow gay people to get married, in general, and other than that, it should be up to the church/priest/minister/whoever's in charge to decide whether or not they want to be a part of it... i guess i just gave a bad/misinformed example, haha.

I think that was my bad for bringing up the church aspect... I was confused and assumed that a gay marriage being legalized included the church aspect... but I wasn't thinking about the seperation between church and state .... haha

But I get it now.

lol

 

[MAC_Pixie04]

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Originally Posted by FullWroth For the eternal optimists in the group, Prop 8 hasn't actually been officially passed yet, it seems. According to unconfirmed sources, I'm being told that because there are so many absentee and provisional ballots still being counted (they're estimating 3-4 MILLION), they haven't officially called it yet - the press has. They're now saying they won't know for sure until freakin' DECEMBER whether or not Prop 8 has passed. How's THAT for a nail-biter?

As of the news this morning, they said 100% of precincts have reported, but there are a lot of absentee ballots that got mailed ON 11/4 so they may not have been counted yet. But given all the propaganda, I've resigned to the fact that it's passed. Even after they take those other votes into consideration, there was enough bullshit on tv and in the paper to sway people.

And as if it already being declared "passed" wasn't enough, the radical sons of bitches in my town are still out in the streets with signs. Voting is over dammit, go back into your home and celebrate your bigotry without involving every other motorist in San Diego.

 

[jessica hart]

A quick Q from the UK, if I may, on a topic I've more than a passing interest in.

When its said Prop 8 bans gay marriage is that based upon the same marriage ceremony / status / rights as straight marriage? And following on from that is there any kind of other recognised union allowed, straight or gay?

In the UK same sex marriage isn't allowed per se, but so called "civil partnerships" are which give all the same rights - legal, financial, etc - to the couple.

Would be interested to know. I'm really disappointed in the result, its a step back in time, and one that others elsewhere, including over here, will seize as some kind of validation for their own bigotry.

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by jessica hart A quick Q from the UK, if I may, on a topic I've more than a passing interest in. When its said Prop 8 bans gay marriage is that based upon the same marriage ceremony / status / rights as straight marriage? And following on from that is there any kind of other recognised union allowed, straight or gay? In the UK same sex marriage isn't allowed per se, but so called "civil partnerships" are which give all the same rights - legal, financial, etc - to the couple. Would be interested to know. I'm really disappointed in the result, its a step back in time, and one that others elsewhere, including over here, will seize as some kind of validation for their own bigotry.

Marriage is a status given by each individual state in the US. Some states have civil unions which bear all the legal and financial hallmarks of a legal marriage. The federal gov't does not recognize them, which means federal level rights and benefits are out of the question, and no other state has to recognize the union, either.

I believe that California has a domestic partnership law that is pretty broad, but lacks the full protections that marriage affords.

Massachusetts is currently the only state in the US where gays can get married in the exact same manner as straight couples. I believe that Connecticut will be the second state when their new rules go into effect sometime in the very near future.

 

[MxAxC-_ATTACK]

I just want to include that it is Arizona, Florida and California that all have banned gay marriage.

Just to make sure that its not just cali bein called the assholes

This bill was poorly written and it became extremely confusing , and I am not talking about the Is it Yes Or no part because that part was pretty self explanatory. "Ban gay marriage YES Or NO"

it was the articles and stuff written about it, A few had stated that churches were going to lose their tax exempt status others thought their children were going to be taught about gay marriage in school.

 

[AngelBunny]

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Originally Posted by MxAxC-_ATTACK I just want to include that it is Arizona, Florida and California that all have banned gay marriage. Just to make sure that its not just cali bein called the assholes This bill was poorly written and it became extremely confusing , and I am not talking about the Is it Yes Or no part because that part was pretty self explanatory. "Ban gay marriage YES Or NO" it was the articles and stuff written about it, A few had stated that churches were going to lose their tax exempt status others thought their children were going to be taught about gay marriage in school.

I am pretty sure you can ad Texas to that list ... they passed a state constitutional amendment about two years ago legally defining marriage as between a man and a woman. If I remember correctly it passed with a HUGE majority.

Sad ... just sad!

 

[MxAxC-_ATTACK]

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Originally Posted by AngelBunny I am pretty sure you can ad Texas to that list ... they passed a state constitutional amendment about two years ago legally defining marriage as between a man and a woman. If I remember correctly it passed with a HUGE majority. Sad ... just sad!

I meant as of November 4th, but yeah.

If I am not mistaken Massachusetts is the only state in the United states that allows gay marriage.

 

[OfficerJenny]

And Connecticut

 

[shimmyshimmyya]

I'm sure this has been said but I'm too lazy to look through previous posts to see if has, but this is how I feel about gay marriage...

If America is so worried about protecting the sanctity and institution of marriage from gay people, why do 50% of all straight marriages end in divorce?

Straight people treat marriage like a joke, like its something to do for awhile until you get bored with it. People joke about having a "starter marriage" or a "starter husband/wife" and think it's cute...it's not.

I don't have any problem with gay people wanting to be married. Them wanting to be married has nothing to do with how I live my life day to day and people are way too concerned about it. There are much worse things going on that we need to really focus on.

I pray that this all comes to a resolution soon.

 

[MAC_Pixie04]

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Originally Posted by shimmyshimmyya I'm sure this has been said but I'm too lazy to look through previous posts to see if has, but this is how I feel about gay marriage... If America is so worried about protecting the sanctity and institution of marriage from gay people, why do 50% of all straight marriages end in divorce? Straight people treat marriage like a joke, like its something to do for awhile until you get bored with it. People joke about having a "starter marriage" or a "starter husband/wife" and think it's cute...it's not. I don't any problem with gay people wanting to be married. Them wanting to be married has nothing to do with how I live my life day to day and people are way too concerned about it. There are much worse things going on that we need to really focus on. I pray that this all comes to a resolution soon.

Yeah, I mentioned this earlier in the thread. Some of the same people who were in support of banning gay marriage for the sake of "protecting marriage" probably don't feel the same way about people who have been divorced or separated or who practice polyamorous relationships or open marriages, or have extramarital affairs; because those things don't mar "traditional" marriage, only being gay does.

It's bullshit. That's the best way to sum it up into one word: bullshit.

 

[CellyCell]

Bit of dry humor trying to bring in here... funny, sad but true:

I just saw a group on Facebook started..."Welcome to California: where chickens are more important than gay people."

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Apparently it's more important to make sure that chickens are comfortable before we slaughter them than let loving couples get married. Well done, California.

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i mean, how do we know there aren't going to be gay chicken hook-ups in these new fancy ass cages? there should have been a clause outlawing chicken sodomy included in prop. 2.

...that had me laughing, and no worries - it was a joke.

Anyways, now I've been watching that the marriages done in Frisco won't become legal anymore? I really hope a lot protest against that and the lawsuits go through.
(...and I voted yes on the pollos too)

 

[Nox]

I am not gay or bi. I'm a straight married woman. And I cried when Prop 8 passed. I have family members and other dear loved ones of mine whose rights were STRIPPED away from them last week. They don't even have the legal backing to do what is normally afforded our straight allies.

I am still so red mad about it. I took to the streets and protested. Many of my comrades got put in jail even though the demonstration was legal.

I was so excited last year about the impending right to marry for all coming up, that I decided to get my papers so I can assist in marrying gay couples. It really saddens me to see how much money was poured into this "Yes on Prop 8" and that it passed. It also saddens me that a religious group had the gall to spread outright lies to communities of color. I kid you not, there were some older folks of color who thought they would go to jail if they went up to their children's/grandchildren's school and protested the teaching of gay marriage.

Mike and Steve marrying do not affect my marriage one bit. Churches can choose to marry or not marry them. Many churches already refuse to marry different combinations of straight couples (believer-non believer, second marriage, etc.) If it is a matter of the government, then religious beliefs should not be legislated into the system. That's how I see it.

And I don't buy all this "Civil Union" garbage. Call a spade a spade. Marriage for all is the only thing I'm for. Civil Union is simply a "separate but equal" clause, and when has that ever worked? It is inherently unequal.

 

[Mrs S]

Ok, I haven't read the whole thread, but just my two cents:

I live in a country in which gay marriage is forbidden. Sometimes there are discussions, but I think there's about 70% against gay marriage, most because of their deep, deep catholic background. When I heard first that gay marriage was allowed in the U.S., I was really looking forward to have kinda rolemodel, and now that prop 8 passed, I lose confidence that gay marriage will ever be allowed here in Austria. It's so f**ing sad...

Just for the records, I'm bisexual but married to a man... the best man, in fact

 

[Dizzy]

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Originally Posted by Mrs S When I heard first that gay marriage was allowed in the U.S., I was really looking forward to have kinda rolemodel, and now that prop 8 passed, I lose confidence that gay marriage will ever be allowed here in Austria.

It *is* allowed in some states (MA, CT I think). Just, apparently, not in California at this time.

 

[NutMeg]

I'm so glad I live in Canada. My cousin is one of my best friends, and also bisexual (which is bullshit, I always tell her she's a lesbian in denial

) and I don't know if I could get married knowing that she couldn't. I intend to have her be a big part of my wedding when I do get married, and I think that would be really cruel if I knew she could never have that.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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Originally Posted by Dizzy It *is* allowed in some states (MA, CT I think). Just, apparently, not in California at this time.

MA definitely. Civil unions are allowed in New Hampshire. I don't know about CT; I don't recall if it is.

Will Cali uphold gay marriages done in say MA?

 

[silverbelle282]

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