California - Prop 8 - PASSED
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MAC_Pixie04
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There's nothing wrong with being opinionated, haven't you seen my responses to this thread lol? And please don't take anything I say personally; I'm not a religious person, but that does not mean I have anything against people who are. I just don't agree with some of the things that stem from religion, but that doesn't mean that I dislike or disregard people that do. If you have an opinion you should absolutely speak up on it. I think it encourages healthy debate; this post seems to be swing mostly one way, so I'm definitely interested in hearing how someone else feels about it, as long as it's respectful
I'm all about respectful debate
Originally Posted by AdlersMommy22
I know- you know I have this problem with rambling to get my pt. across. I had a bad problem with not being very accepting (or at least- not coming OFF as very accepting) of other peoples beliefs that made me really re-evalute how good of a person I was if I was not accepting other people.. so now I like to just make sure that everyone understand that just because I dont agree with someone 100% doesnt mean that I dont think its right for YOU.. (you meaning- whoever.).... so i get paranoid when I post things in topics like this now lol but im too damn opinionated to just keep my mouth shut.
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There's nothing wrong with being opinionated, haven't you seen my responses to this thread lol? And please don't take anything I say personally; I'm not a religious person, but that does not mean I have anything against people who are. I just don't agree with some of the things that stem from religion, but that doesn't mean that I dislike or disregard people that do. If you have an opinion you should absolutely speak up on it. I think it encourages healthy debate; this post seems to be swing mostly one way, so I'm definitely interested in hearing how someone else feels about it, as long as it's respectful
I'm all about respectful debate
AdlersMommy22
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Oh if there's ONE valuable lesson in life that the woman on specktra have taught me (funny that i learned it HERE.. but i grew up in a huge irish catholic family where everyone shares the same beliefes as i do and I dont have to worry about it otherwise) is that you can debate all you want- as soon as yo ustart disresepecting someone else's beliefs or someone else in general is when your point is moot. No like likes an emotional trainwreck who doesnt care about anyone else's emotions but their own
I prefer to call it respectful conversation
| Originally Posted by MAC_Pixie04
There's nothing wrong with being opinionated, haven't you seen my responses to this thread lol? And please don't take anything I say personally; I'm not a religious person, but that does not mean I have anything against people who are. I just don't agree with some of the things that stem from religion, but that doesn't mean that I dislike or disregard people that do. If you have an opinion you should absolutely speak up on it. I think it encourages healthy debate; this post seems to be swing mostly one way, so I'm definitely interested in hearing how someone else feels about it, as long as it's respectful
I'm all about respectful debate
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Oh if there's ONE valuable lesson in life that the woman on specktra have taught me (funny that i learned it HERE.. but i grew up in a huge irish catholic family where everyone shares the same beliefes as i do and I dont have to worry about it otherwise) is that you can debate all you want- as soon as yo ustart disresepecting someone else's beliefs or someone else in general is when your point is moot. No like likes an emotional trainwreck who doesnt care about anyone else's emotions but their own
I prefer to call it respectful conversation
*Stargazer*
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Yeah, well I don't think you have too much to worry about. If the Catholic Church ever supports gay rights, I'll drop dead from shock.
| Originally Posted by AdlersMommy22
Im just saying that in my personal belief that should be the ONLY limitation on gay marriage  I know no one is probably seeking out for the Pope to approve their marriage in the Church... I was just explaining how that was the only way i believed gay marriage shouldnt be allowed.. any way else Im 100% in support!!!!!
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Yeah, well I don't think you have too much to worry about. If the Catholic Church ever supports gay rights, I'll drop dead from shock.
xStarryEyedX
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What the hell happened to separation of church and state? And the whole preservation of marriage between man+woman... Hmm, clearly that's going really well these days huh?... It's disgusting. It makes me absolutely sick how closed minded people can be.
AdlersMommy22
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I only get confused because- to me- growing up in the Catholic Church, Ive never looked at marriage in any other way than relgious. I never throught of it as something that was a legal thing.... I mean I knew people got married in the court houses and stuff-- but I assumed it was still a religous thing for most people-- so forgive me for when I talk about marriage-- in my mind it encompasses a religious point of view as well as a legal one. To me, a legal but non-religious marriage is "legal union"
. To me, "gay marriage" means a relgious marriage between two gay people. If that makes sense
| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
I'm pretty sure the last thing on these peoples' minds is getting married in the Catholic Church. They are seeking legal, civil marriages, not religious ones. |
I only get confused because- to me- growing up in the Catholic Church, Ive never looked at marriage in any other way than relgious. I never throught of it as something that was a legal thing.... I mean I knew people got married in the court houses and stuff-- but I assumed it was still a religous thing for most people-- so forgive me for when I talk about marriage-- in my mind it encompasses a religious point of view as well as a legal one. To me, a legal but non-religious marriage is "legal union"
*Stargazer*
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Well then, apparently, I'm not married. I'm legally united.
AdlersMommy22
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no no.. im not saying that its NOT marriage.. Im just saying that when I hear the word "marriage" I think of it from a religous view pt.My mind automatically goes to a religious marriage... but Im WELL aware that a TON of people get married OUTSIDE of a church and I am totally 100% for that for WHOEVER wants to do that- not just heterosexuals.
| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
Well then, apparently, I'm not married. I'm legally united. |
no no.. im not saying that its NOT marriage.. Im just saying that when I hear the word "marriage" I think of it from a religous view pt.My mind automatically goes to a religious marriage... but Im WELL aware that a TON of people get married OUTSIDE of a church and I am totally 100% for that for WHOEVER wants to do that- not just heterosexuals.
davidsito987
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My heart goes out to all my fellow "family"(meaning gay...to those who dont know) CALIFORNIA RESIDENTS....dont give up and this will not be the last of this issue! :. . . (
carandru
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Stargazer (I think you posted this and I"m too lazy to go back and check)
What exactly did they say was the "homosexual agenda"? I'm really interested b/c that sounds like a hilarious read or info session. Like really, these people got together and mapped out a plan to rule the world or something? First stop, gay marriage, next stop WORLD DOMINATION muahahahahahahaha.
Ok, I'll stop. but seriously that's how ridiculous "blunt the homosexual agenda" sounds. Please please please tell me where you heard or read this!
What exactly did they say was the "homosexual agenda"? I'm really interested b/c that sounds like a hilarious read or info session. Like really, these people got together and mapped out a plan to rule the world or something? First stop, gay marriage, next stop WORLD DOMINATION muahahahahahahaha.
Ok, I'll stop. but seriously that's how ridiculous "blunt the homosexual agenda" sounds. Please please please tell me where you heard or read this!
MAC_Pixie04
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The institution of marriage wasn't always religious either; when people were marrying off their daughters it had very little to do with religion and a whole lot to do with money. Marrying off your daughter to wealthy man gave your daughter and your family a high place in society and guaranteed her a comfortable lifestyle, it had nothing to do with religious roots or with the couple even being in love. It was all about survival and status. How sick is that lol. "My daughter thinks you're ugly and has only met you twice, but you're rich so here."
I've never seen marriage as a religious institution, even when my family actively went to church. And only as I've gotten older have I realized the vast legal importance of it. My family is dealing with the legal aspects of marriage right now: my grandmother had a stroke and we don't want to have to fight her "husband" about her care and who handles her affairs because we're not sure if their marriage is legal, and we don't wanna have to go to court should he decide not to cooperate.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe that love should be what leads a couple to marry, but you also have to think of protecting yourself and your rights in the future with that other person, and if you have children with that person. My boyfriend and I have talked seriously about marriage, and only because we love each other very deeply and I know he's what I want and he knows I'm who he wants.
But being married to him will also guarantee us certain rights and forms of protection, as well as for any children he and I may have together down the line.
I've never seen marriage as a religious institution, even when my family actively went to church. And only as I've gotten older have I realized the vast legal importance of it. My family is dealing with the legal aspects of marriage right now: my grandmother had a stroke and we don't want to have to fight her "husband" about her care and who handles her affairs because we're not sure if their marriage is legal, and we don't wanna have to go to court should he decide not to cooperate.
Don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe that love should be what leads a couple to marry, but you also have to think of protecting yourself and your rights in the future with that other person, and if you have children with that person. My boyfriend and I have talked seriously about marriage, and only because we love each other very deeply and I know he's what I want and he knows I'm who he wants.
But being married to him will also guarantee us certain rights and forms of protection, as well as for any children he and I may have together down the line.
MAC_Pixie04
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Isn't that sick? "Blunt the homosexual agenda;" it sounds like they're fighting some sort of takeover or something. It has such militant conotations. What "agenda," they just want equal rights.
| Originally Posted by carandru
Stargazer (I think you posted this and I"m too lazy to go back and check) What exactly did they say was the "homosexual agenda"? I'm really interested b/c that sounds like a hilarious read or info session. Like really, these people got together and mapped out a plan to rule the world or something? First stop, gay marriage, next stop WORLD DOMINATION muahahahahahahaha. Ok, I'll stop. but seriously that's how ridiculous "blunt the homosexual agenda" sounds. Please please please tell me where you heard or read this! |
Isn't that sick? "Blunt the homosexual agenda;" it sounds like they're fighting some sort of takeover or something. It has such militant conotations. What "agenda," they just want equal rights.
carandru
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Yea, there should be all kinds of petitions. This is blatantly unconstitutional.
| Originally Posted by kimmy
i'm really surprised at california, i mean fuck, we're one of the most liberal states in the union and we passed this? COME ON. i'm pretty pissed, but i heard somewhere that they're already putting together a petition to get it on the ballot again in the next election. |
Yea, there should be all kinds of petitions. This is blatantly unconstitutional.
AdlersMommy22
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mac_pixie....i totally agree with your last post!!!
*Stargazer*
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Except you just said it.
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Marriage in the United States is a civil institution. Not a religious one. In fact, try to get the gov't to recognize a marriage that is only religious in nature.
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Arkansas Unmarried Adoption Ban Targets Gay Couples | On Top Magazine :: Gay & Lesbian News, Entertainment, Commentary & Travel
You know, the homosexual agenda. To get some of these religious people to stop making the rest of us live by their "morals." Oh and along the way, to turn as many kids gay as possible. And have as much gay sex as possible. In front of impressionable young children and frail old ladies.
| Originally Posted by AdlersMommy22
no no.. im not saying that its NOT marriage.. |
Except you just said it.
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| To me, a legal but non-religious marriage is "legal union" |
Marriage in the United States is a civil institution. Not a religious one. In fact, try to get the gov't to recognize a marriage that is only religious in nature.
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| Originally Posted by carandru
Stargazer (I think you posted this and I"m too lazy to go back and check) What exactly did they say was the "homosexual agenda"? I'm really interested b/c that sounds like a hilarious read or info session. Like really, these people got together and mapped out a plan to rule the world or something? First stop, gay marriage, next stop WORLD DOMINATION muahahahahahahaha. Ok, I'll stop. but seriously that's how ridiculous "blunt the homosexual agenda" sounds. Please please please tell me where you heard or read this! |
Arkansas Unmarried Adoption Ban Targets Gay Couples | On Top Magazine :: Gay & Lesbian News, Entertainment, Commentary & Travel
You know, the homosexual agenda. To get some of these religious people to stop making the rest of us live by their "morals." Oh and along the way, to turn as many kids gay as possible. And have as much gay sex as possible. In front of impressionable young children and frail old ladies.
silverbelle282
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completely agree. my god.
i'm such a you groupie, but it's because you sum up my thoughts so elegantly.
adlers mommy, thanks for sharing your opinions and clearing that up. i really appreciated hearing your thoughts and i'm all for discourse and open and honest dialogue. so, you're for granting legal marriage to homosexuals?
| Originally Posted by MAC_Pixie04
As unfair as it may sound, in those points that I'm making, I'm using slight generalizations. I know that not all people cheat and not all people have open marriages, and not all military marriages are scams. But the number of people who've admittedly had affairs and cheated and partake in sexual escapades outside of their marriage are particularly high, so I think it's unfair for a dominant group--and i'm talking heterosexuals in general, because I doubt many if any gay people were in favor of this Proposition--to deny a minority group the same rights because that group will be desecrating "traditional marriage" when we've BEEN desecrating marriage SINCE the biblical periods. And I'm not against single parenthood; I think I may have phrased that point wrong. I have an issue with people spouting this bullshit about protecting marriage and the sanctity of marriage, but it seems to only apply to gays wanting to have the same rights when it comes to marriage. You don't see people vehemently "against" single parenthood. You don't see people taking political action against having children before getting married. I don't even think it's possible to pass legislation against infidelity. Those are things that seem to mar "traditional" marriage; so why is there such a big outrage about same sex marriage? Why does that seem to be the only concern people have when it comes to "protecting marriage?" Let's outlaw divorce, then. Let's have mandatory time periods, where you have to be with someone for so long before you can marry them or have children with them. Doesn't that seem ridiculous? Well to me, so does denying anybody the rights that everybody else has. I'm not saying that every married person does the things that I mentioned, but a lot of them do and don't see it as wrong, but make such a big deal out of gay marriage. |
completely agree. my god.
adlers mommy, thanks for sharing your opinions and clearing that up. i really appreciated hearing your thoughts and i'm all for discourse and open and honest dialogue. so, you're for granting legal marriage to homosexuals?
silverbelle282
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oh you make me laugh. guess what jerry cox? i'm having gay sex, an abortion, AND praying to several non-judeo-christian gods all simultaneously!
now, when's that meeting on world domination? tuesday? because i can't do tuesdays and you guys know that. and i don't want you taking over the world without me.
(i'm just kidding, i swear,
, not meant to offend anyone
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| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
Except you just said it. Marriage in the United States is a civil institution. Not a religious one. In fact, try to get the gov't to recognize a marriage that is only religious in nature. Arkansas Unmarried Adoption Ban Targets Gay Couples | On Top Magazine :: Gay & Lesbian News, Entertainment, Commentary & Travel You know, the homosexual agenda. To get some of these religious people to stop making the rest of us live by their "morals." Oh and along the way, to turn as many kids gay as possible. And have as much gay sex as possible. In front of impressionable young children and frail old ladies. |
now, when's that meeting on world domination? tuesday? because i can't do tuesdays and you guys know that. and i don't want you taking over the world without me.
(i'm just kidding, i swear,
carandru
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@ your post and SMH at that article. So a person's desires to be w/ the person they love and raise children is now referred to as an agenda? Silly me, I thought that was called living your life.
| Originally Posted by *Stargazer*
Arkansas Unmarried Adoption Ban Targets Gay Couples | On Top Magazine :: Gay & Lesbian News, Entertainment, Commentary & Travel You know, the homosexual agenda. To get some of these religious people to stop making the rest of us live by their "morals." Oh and along the way, to turn as many kids gay as possible. And have as much gay sex as possible. In front of impressionable young children and frail old ladies. |
*Stargazer*
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Only if you're straight, of the approved religion and in a sanctimonious marriage.
Silly me. I always confuse sanctity and sanctimonious.
| Originally Posted by carandru
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Only if you're straight, of the approved religion and in a sanctimonious marriage.
Silly me. I always confuse sanctity and sanctimonious.
