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Originally Posted by DirtyPlum
I just dont buy the excuse that Palestine deserves this or should have expected it because they fired mortar rockets into Southern Israel.
This isnt the first time there has been violence and Israel has shown its iron fist, so I dont think its as simple as blaming one over the other for the latest battle.
The questions is, what will this achieve? What have previous battles achieved other than more hostility and insecurity and if anything, just dragging out war and destruction.
I dont see how anyone half decent can defend carnage of this scale (of any scale!) and Israel has proved yet again, the only language it understands is violence.
Same could be said for both sides, I know, but what did Israel expect when they took their land?
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I don't think that anyone in this thread has said Palestine has deserved it. Some, including myself, have said Hamas shouldn't be surprised. It would just be common sense if you look at Israel's capabilities and historical responses to attacks.
As far as defending Israel's attacks, I don't mean to defend them, just point out what I feel is common sense. That is that I think they were expected to respond. I don't think anyone should lob rockets into a country and not expect them to respond. I am simply speaking in regards to tactics of warfare here, not towards the human toll.
The fact that innocent Palestinians are paying the price based on poor decisions from a faction of Palestine and Hamas is terrible. No one says otherwise.
And hamas/Palestine has proved (yet again) that the only language they understand is violence, as they started with a rocket attack at the begining of this and have continued to launch rockets since.
You're right both sides speak in violence and both sides want a home. So I guess they keep fighting and the goal of both sides is for one side to overrun the other. I am guessing that if this were reversed and hamas was pummelling Israel, you would be horrified at the death toll of the Israelis.
On a general note, and not addressed to the above quote:
Perhaps I am swayed by the fact that hamas openly refers to the US as the enemy who needs to be taught a lesson. Perhaps I am swayed by the fact that aside from representing Palestine through gov't, they are also a
terrorist organization. Click for death toll from suicide bombers.
Someone mentioned that every time actions like this have been ignored, it has lead to great tragedies. Like perhaps the holocaust? I find that odd considering that hamas acting as Palestine's representatives said this:
Wiki: In 2003 Hamas leader Abdel Aziz Rantisi published an article in the Hamas weekly Al-Risala in which he called the Holocaust "the false Holocaust" and "the greatest of lies". In this article Rantisi expressed support to Holocaust deniers Roger Garaudy, David Irving, Gerd Honsik, and Fredrick Töben, and to the idea that the gas chambers were a myth. Rantisi also stated that "the Nazis received tremendous financial aid from the Zionist banks and monopolies, and this contributed to their rise to power", and accused the Jewish-owned Berlin-based investment bank Mendelssohn & Co. of funding the Nazis, calling it a "Zionist bank".
In 2005, Khaled Mashaal (Khaled Meshaal, also known as Khaled Mashaal is a palestinian militant leader. He is the "political leader" of the Syrian branch of the Hamas political bureau, and leader of Hamas) described Ahmadinejad's (Iran's current president) Holocaust denial as "courageous" and stated that "...Muslim people will defend Iran because it voices what they have in their hearts, in particular the Palestinian people."
So the slaughter of 6 million Jews should be disregarded, but 1000 palestinians being killed is a tragedy? Kind of a double-standard. EVERY death is a tragedy.
We can talk about whose fault this was. Was it arrests and violence from Israel? Maybe? No? Probably? Everything that happens between these two parties is a reaction to something. I do think that the rocket attack was a poor choice. I am I am still flabbergasted that some people can be surprised that Israel responded to a rocket attack.
We can talk about this not being proportionate. OK. If if Israel provoked a reaction by arresting and perpetrating violence towards Palestinians, then wouldn't a rocket attack perpetrated by hamas that could kill countless civilians be disproportionate, too?
Wiki: Hamas's military wing released a statement condemning both Israel and America. "America is offering political, financial and logistic cover for the Zionist occupation crimes, and it is responsible for the Beit Hanoun massacre. Therefore, the people and the [Islamic] nation all over the globe are required to teach the American enemy tough lessons."
So now every muslim on the globe should attack the US? Not very proportionate. I just have a hard time relating to that kind of rhetoric. I don't think it does anyone any favours. Perhaps that is why I can't identify with Palestine on a lot of issues?
Again, I will state that I am speaking to this situation purely in tactical terms. As far as the death toll in Palestine, it's horrible. I hope this ends. I don't like to see conflict and death anywhere.
