I found a really weird site that pimps out girls and gives them free breast implants

user79

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Originally Posted by ratmist
First, clothing fashion change, no more so rapidly than in the 20th century and the rise of sedentary western life. I'd argue you're just as likely to be in the same exact position with or without new breasts, still trying to fit into clothes that ought to fit but don't, whether that's down to changed sizing standards or just a whim of the manufacturer. And you'll still be down an average of 6k, assuming you're happy with your results and don't require revision surgeries. Second, I don't believe anyone, of any size or shape, can walk into a clothing store and find 5 random tops that automatically fit them perfectly without some kind of compromise. That's just the nature of ready-made clothing. Changing your body shape through cosmetic surgery (or even diet/exercise) won't change the fact that you'll still have to go through a bunch of clothes in a shop before you settle on ones you think you good on you.
Bottom line, when it comes to the aesthetic opinion on the shape of women's bodies, I don't believe cosmetic surgery offers any real long term solutions. I honestly believe that's a myth offered by those who really stand to reap long-term benefits from the cosmetic industry - the doctors/surgeons. At best, it offers a short-term solution that may allow one to feel more confident, or more in control of their body image... at least until you start to feel that more work is necessary.


I totally agree. Like Shimmer, I have a size A-B cup but I would never have a breast implant for that reason alone. I would only consider it if I had a mastectomy or something similar to that nature, to restore a natural body shape if I had to have one removed or whatever. I also agree that even if having bigger boobs means you may be able to fill out some tops better, I don't really think that's a convincing reason to undergo (potentially life threatening) surgery. There will still be clothes that don't fit, having bigger breats is not some miracle potion to end all our "I can't find fitting clothes" woes.

Plus, people always say, oh it costs $6000 or whatever, but the truth is, most patients need to go back and have a second or even third set put in during their lifetime, or have to undergo further surgery due to complications, so the total cost is much, much higher on average.


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I agree. I actually don't give a damn who gets cosmetic surgery, balloon-sized or mere plums, for whatever reason they get it. None of my business. But if asked for my opinion, I'll give it. When people put themselves on an internet site, asking for money in order to get their tit job, that constitutes entering the public arena of opinion. I think these women are pathetically stupid.

Yeah, if you join a website like that, you are opening yourself up to criticism and people voicing an opinion on that. If they do not want people to speculate on their motives, they should just do the surgery on their own in private and not enter the public arena, the Internet is a public place where different voices can be expressed.

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Jesus Christ. First they're whores, now their intergrity is called into question? The fact that it is the year 2008 and women can't make a decision to show their boobs without being vilified is disturbing. We'll never get ahead as a sex if we continue to degrade each other over choices that hurt no one. We can't argue against men worldwide controlling the sexuality of women when we insult each other over it.

These girls, imo, are only degrading themselves. In fact, they are degrading women in general, because it shows that women can be treated like pieces of meat for some quick cash. How many sites exist where men do the same thing for penis extensions? Probably none.
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I totally see this from a different angle, I think discussion like this is necessary.
 

flowerhead

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That's not entirely proven. There are those who argue that it's a lifestyle choice.

That's certainly your opinion, but already, your back is up at the idea that someone may be sitting in judgment on gay men everywhere.


i know...someone may be sitting in judgment on bottle redheads too
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Shimmer

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i know...someone may be sitting in judgment on bottle redheads too
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My dear! That didn't hurt a bit! Why cast glares at that which I know to be true?
Why so defensive? You called those women lacking in integrity, whorish, and unrespectable...you throw stones, how does your glass house feel?
 

Shimmer

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Shim, if "Boobs of Love" existed, I'd make a donation of half of what I've got for you.
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W00t! That right there is love baby.
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flowerhead

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My dear! That didn't hurt a bit! Why cast glares at that which I know to be true?
Why so defensive? You called those women lacking in integrity, whorish, and unrespectable...you throw stones, how does your glass house feel?


pardon? it was a joke shimmy
 

*Stargazer*

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W00t! That right there is love baby.
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You know it!

I've got the opposite problem you do. If I buy a shirt or dress that fits my chest, it's like a tent everywhere else.
 

Shimmer

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You know it!

I've got the opposite problem you do. If I buy a shirt or dress that fits my chest, it's like a tent everywhere else.


I have bubble butt syndrome, I'm not pear shaped but I do have like...Coco's ass...buying jeans is fun. *sigh*

We're never happy are we?
 

ratmist

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Shim, if "Boobs of Love" existed, I'd make a donation of half of what I've got for you.
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You know, if "Boobs of Love" existed, I'd expect it wouldn't have anything to do with exchanging sexual acts for cash. In which case, I probably wouldn't have a problem with it. Hell, I thought Save Karyn - Home was a great website; total strangers gave her money to get her out of debt and she didn't flash her tits at all. Who's smarter, the woman who gets the cash without degrading her body, or the woman who sells her body (whether by sex or sexual acts)? Feminism is about choice, but shouldn't we be advocating the *better*, *safer* choice?

My problem isn't really with the issue of getting cosmetic surgery... it's with exchanging sexual favours for cash strictly in order to get a boob job. What happens to the women on that website who decide they don't want to flash themselves anymore? Do they get to keep the cash to do whatever they want with it?
 

*Stargazer*

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Who's smarter, the woman who gets the cash without degrading her body, or the woman who sells her body (whether by sex or sexual acts)?

I certainly wouldn't argue that a woman that gets herself 20K into debt buying crap is smarter TBH.


The issue to me, is who is to say this is always degrading? It might be degrading to you (general sense) - ok, so don't do it. But it might not be degrading to someone else. The other issue to me is that sometimes people are unable to disagree with something without resorting to insults. Would I show my body to strangers for cash? Probably not, but that doesn't mean that I think that I'm any better than people who do.
 

ratmist

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I certainly wouldn't argue that a woman that gets herself 20K into debt buying crap is smarter TBH.

Snappy! But Karyn got out of debt without resorting to exploiting her body. Book deals, film deals, etc. She turned her life around. Given the choice, what choice would you take? Declare bankruptcy, strip/prostitute one's self, or think more creatively?

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The issue to me, is who is to say this is always degrading? It might be degrading to you (general sense) - ok, so don't do it. But it might not be degrading to someone else. The other issue to me is that sometimes people are unable to disagree with something without resorting to insults. Would I show my body to strangers for cash? Probably not, but that doesn't mean that I think that I'm any better than people who do.

Okay, let me be clear. I don't believe I'm better than someone else who's trading sexual favours for money. I firmly believe everyone should have the right to use their body for money, and that this kind of action should be legalised, unionised, and made safe.

However, I still think the practice of using one's body in this way is degrading. And the evidence from actual sex workers backs this up - most get out of the business because they say it's degrading. So if the majority of these women (and men) are saying it's degrading, and a few aren't, maybe you're sticking up for the minority and ignoring the majority. The majority say it sucks (hah!). What's wrong with others who wouldn't take that route saying the same?

Does it mean I think that person is degraded in comparison to me? No. When I say that it's degrading, I literally mean someone has devalued their own worth for the sake of money. This can happen in so many other ways other than the sex industry. If you take let people treat you or pay you what you know is less than what you're worth, you're degrading yourself. Anyone who's ever had to take a job knowing they are worth more than the pay package knows exactly how that feels. It grinds your soul to bits, makes you hate yourself and the job, and in general causes suffering. Never met someone doing a shitty job for shitty cash say, "Yup, I'm worth what they pay - minimum wage."

Going by the recent feminist evidence I cited above, the vast majority of sex workers in the end come to the conclusion that whatever they're being paid is not nearly enough for the emotional and physical effort involved. Whatever you believe about the morality of the industry, the fact is, if you're not being paid what you're worth or being compensated monetarily for the job, you're being degraded.
 

marreyes38

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i read about this site a months ago and made a profile just to see if i would get any money...turns out im more lazy than i thought because i never got around to activationg my account or adding a picture. i have to admit its very tempting but the process is TOOOO LONG AND DEGRADING for my taste...oh wellz
 

k.a.t

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I'm sorry but i agree with what Misschievous has said; i think this website is very degrading. Everyone's entitled to their opinion and this is mine. If you really want a boob job this badly, why not try a different alternative? something that will give you a sense of accomplishment by the end perhaps? I, myself would actually love to have a boob job when i'm older (being a teeny-tiny A cup- sometimes even AA
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), but i'd rather scrape through 10p a day until i reach my goal than sell my body out to strangers gawing at explicit pictures and videos of me - ew, disturbing.

Then again i'm probably just angry because i'd have to be 18 to enter the site and i'm only 16
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(btw that was a joke people..)
 

*Stargazer*

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Snappy! But Karyn got out of debt without resorting to exploiting her body. Book deals, film deals, etc. She turned her life around. Given the choice, what choice would you take? Declare bankruptcy, strip/prostitute one's self, or think more creatively?

What choice would I make? Depends. I can't rule out using my body to make money because I'm just not opposed to it. If someone came to my door right now and offered me 500 bucks to show them my boobs, I'd do it. Why not? I don't believe that my sense of worth is tied to my physical being. It's boobs, you know? I don't understand why using one personal characteristic, physical beauty, should be any different than using physical prowess or intellectual smarts.


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Okay, let me be clear. I don't believe I'm better than someone else who's trading sexual favours for money. I firmly believe everyone should have the right to use their body for money, and that this kind of action should be legalised, unionised, and made safe.

However, I still think the practice of using one's body in this way is degrading. And the evidence from actual sex workers backs this up - most get out of the business because they say it's degrading. So if the majority of these women (and men) are saying it's degrading, and a few aren't, maybe you're sticking up for the minority and ignoring the majority. The majority say it sucks (hah!). What's wrong with others who wouldn't take that route saying the same?


Sorry, I should have been more specific. I know that YOU aren't saying that you believe you are better than anyone.


Ok, so this is something that you think is degrading. Again, don't participate. But it's shortsighted to think that it is across the board degrading for everyone participating. I just think it is entirely possible that plenty of people participating in the transaction don't feel degraded at all. I guess my point is that you can only specify that you would feel degraded in a certain situation, which is perfectly legitimate of course, but you can't assign that feeling to everyone because you just don't know what is going on inside someone's head or heart.
 

ratmist

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What choice would I make? Depends. I can't rule out using my body to make money because I'm just not opposed to it. If someone came to my door right now and offered me 500 bucks to show them my boobs, I'd do it. Why not? I don't believe that my sense of worth is tied to my physical being. It's boobs, you know? I don't understand why using one personal characteristic, physical beauty, should be any different than using physical prowess or intellectual smarts.

Sorry, I should make it clear, I give a lot of my opinions as arguments articulated from scientific research. I have access to a great number of academic journals and sources through my university, and a lot of them are online. So when I read arguments about something like the sex trade in the public forum, I naturally reach for the academic input rather than basing my argument solely on my own emotions.

Hence, I gave one such example above as excerpts from feminist research conducted within the past six years of the experiences of strippers (which she termed 'dancers', since this is what they termed themselves). Hundreds of women gave her two years' worth of data, based on 1 - 5 hours a night. This was her field work. She literally sat in a number of strip clubs and talked to the women who worked there.

So when I say that these women are saying it's degrading, I'm literally quoting what the sex workers have said to her, and what she's published in an academically peer-reviewed journal.

The conclusions she came to basically come down to time. At first, the women are really into their job. They enjoy it. Those that don't enjoy it don't last more than a few nights. Over time, their enjoyment decreases as the physical and emotional nature of what they're doing wears on them. Because the enjoyment of their job can change in a millisecond, based on the behaviour of the men frequenting the club, the truth is, they can go from feeling empowered to feeling degraded within a single shift.

To assume that a sex worker may*never* feel degraded is naive at best, and a straw man argument at worst.

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I guess my point is that you can only specify that you would feel degraded in a certain situation, which is perfectly legitimate of course, but you can't assign that feeling to everyone because you just don't know what is going on inside someone's head or heart.

Again, I was quoting the emotions of the workers based on the research I gave above. I am not assuming anything; I am arguing on the basis of published research. I'm more than happy to give email to you the entire pdf for you to read for yourself, if it makes my points any clearer.
 

*Stargazer*

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I'm more than happy to give email to you the entire pdf for you to read for yourself, if it makes my points any clearer.

Yeah, I'll pass.
 

Beauty Mark

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From what I've seen of the site, it looks no different from a webcam girl type setting, except that the money has very specific use.

I find it sad, to be honest. I've never wanted something that was that unnecessary (breast implants, like cosmetics, TV, etc., are unnecessary) that I would put myself on the internet like that. If they're happy doing that, good for them, but I have the feeling if those girls had the means of getting implants without that site, they would.
 

Shimmer

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I can agree with that, but then again, if I had a means of paying my bills other than working 'legitimately', I would.
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stacylynne

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Everyone on the site is at least 18+. It's their choice how they want to betray themselves.

I hope all the girls find a board certified plastic surgeon & check out the surgeon before going under the knife
 

tarynlovesmac

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Okay, this whole thing got me thinking, and when MissChievous was kinda jumped on for saying that these women are "whoring themselves out," I got a feeling I wasn't going to be able to leave here without putting in my two cents.

Straight from the American-Heritage dictionary:

whore
n.
1. A prostitute
2. A person considered sexually promiscuous
3. A person exhibiting compromised behavior for personal gain.

Whereas I can't make a statement on whether or not these women sell themselves for cash, or whether they are even promiscuous outside of Internet La-La-land, I can say that what they're doing sounds an awful like like #3 to me.


ANYWAY, I just wanted to make the point that the word has many meanings and many implications, and it could be easy to make an offhand comment like MissChievous' without meaning to offend. I hope I didn't... OFFEND.
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I want to conclude by saying I'm NOT making a statement on what I believe about this whole thing, because, in short, I don't really think I know. Your own morals are what you make of them, and your body is yours to do with what you please. It's only degrading if YOU find it to be. Sure, you could make the "degrading to WOMEN" argument, or whatever, but last time I checked I wasn't resting my status as a woman on the (bare?) shoulders of a bunch of Net chicks flopping their floppers around for all to see.
 
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