Kids? Too much too fast too soon?

Char1986

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Originally Posted by Raerae
Oh god... please...

Regardless of if teens should or should not be engaging in activities like the above at whatever age... Thank god were finally getting past the idea that women should be chaste, and remain pure for their future husbands. And those women who aren't afraid of their sexuality are deemed, "sluts" and "whores."


Right, grown women absolutely should not be expected to be that. But I'm talking about 13-14 year old girls.
 

Raerae

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Oh i'm not disputing your opinion on that. However, it seems that as a consiquence of our freedom of sexuality, perhaps girls at that age who once would have been inhibited from engaging in such acts because of the stigma attached, now freely explore them?

It takes two too tango. And while i dont think it's changed that boys around that age always have been curious about sex, they were previously held up by hesistant females? Who are less hesitant now?

I think the reasons behind this are a mix of a lot of what everyone has been talking about.
 

Lalli

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I went shopping with my little sister who is 8 to get some clothers for a party.. now that christmas is here theres loadsa glittery fun stuff around BUT some of the stuff I saw made me think even i wouldnt wear that.. short skirts, strappy tops.. its like its normal for kids to wear stuff like this..

i saw a lil girl the other day she was wearing a short skirt knee high boots and belly top. shes like 10 yrs old.
 

GalleyGirl

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Originally Posted by Raerae
It takes two too tango. And while i dont think it's changed that boys around that age always have been curious about sex, they were previously held up by hesistant females? Who are less hesitant now?

The difference is though that in these cases these young girls are being degraded, because they think that by giving their boyfriends head, they are pleasing them. You know darn well the boys aren't worried about pleasing the girls. So I don't think they're exploring their natural sexuality, they are performing a social script thats been written out for them by such mental powerhouses as Nelly Furtado and her insipid "Promiscuous Girl."
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by GalleyGirl
The difference is though that in these cases these young girls are being degraded, because they think that by giving their boyfriends head, they are pleasing them. You know darn well the boys aren't worried about pleasing the girls. So I don't think they're exploring their natural sexuality, they are performing a social script thats been written out for them by such mental powerhouses as Nelly Furtado and her insipid "Promiscuous Girl."

A lot of grown men aren't interested in pleasing their women eigther... So are older married women also degrading themselves when their guy rolls over after getting his and goes to sleep, leaving her unsatisfied?

And who's to say the boys aren't going down on them in return? Not all guys hate doing that, some of them love it <shrug> Just like some girls really like giving head.

Not to mention sex isn't always just about getting an orgasm. I've had plenty of sexual encounters where I didn't get mine, but I also didn't really care. I've also had some mind blowing orgasm's that left me unable to walk. Both cases left me satisfied in different ways.

Granted I've also had bad times as well, where I have felt used and degraded. But on the whole those are in the minimum and typically the result of a one night stand, that I thought could have been more.

This is a whole nother topic though...

I do agree that the over saturation of sex in the media does "normalize" it. And agree that the current trend in music that currently has a very Mysoginistic point of view is defeneteley a factor.
 

Beauty Mark

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I think also part of the problem is that kids aren't prepared to deal with the consequences. Not only pregnancies but also STDs. I know adults sometimes aren't but I can't imagine how a little kid would deal with getting genital herpes.
 

lara

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
I think also part of the problem is that kids aren't prepared to deal with the consequences.

There's two ways of reading that sentence - they aren't prepared for the conquences, as in they don't want to know about them or are convinced it won't happen to them. The other, more pressing way to read it as that children aren't prepared to deal with the consequences because they aren't given the cognitive or educational tools to deal with sex.

Given the rise in (predominantly American) schools/households to abstinence-based sex education that just says 'don't do it because I said so, so there', as opposed to 'don't do it until you're really ready and confident, but I want you to be prepared and informed about sex as well, so let's talk about why you need a condom at all times'. Sexual guidance comes from the generation before it, and if the only messages that they receive are 'if you even think about boys you're a dirty slut' or 'boys will like you if you dress like a 1/8th size video girl', then it's little wonder that they're so confused. I barely have the mental fortitude to grapple with that sort of double-standard, and I have the luxury of a fully-grown brain.

Combining that very unattainable goal - children and teenagers will not have sex because we told them so, so I don't need to bother equiping them with the tools to understand the confusing mess that is sex and sexuality - with rising generations of children who don't have a strong stable influence to guide them through the minefield of puberty (appropriateness, moderating yourself, respecting yourself), and you have a lot of children and teenagers that have had a great disservice done to them. It's just unfortunate that the biggest disservice is being done to young girls, as they're still the ones who cop all of the petty, judgemental bile.
 

MarniMac

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I think you teach your kids by example. Kids should dress like kids and act like kids...its too bad there are so many negative influences in the world. I read a really great book called "Raising Strong Daughters" (I forget who wrote it)...but it teaches you how to handle negative influences in the media as well as at school, etc. I totally reccomend it.
Beyond dressing your young daughter like a prostitot being completely wrong to begin with...on a personal note, I think its pretty darn tacky and declasse.
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark
I think also part of the problem is that kids aren't prepared to deal with the consequences. Not only pregnancies but also STDs. I know adults sometimes aren't but I can't imagine how a little kid would deal with getting genital herpes.

Thats up to the parents to teach their children about what their seeing on daytime TV and hearing on the radio these days. Instead of shying away from it because their is no way their little angel would be doing such thing.

Edit: posted b4 reading Lara's post
 

Raerae

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Originally Posted by lara
There's two ways of reading that sentence - they aren't prepared for the conquences, as in they don't want to know about them or are convinced it won't happen to them. The other, more pressing way to read it as that children aren't prepared to deal with the consequences because they aren't given the cognitive or educational tools to deal with sex.

Given the rise in (predominantly American) schools/households to abstinence-based sex education that just says 'don't do it because I said so, so there', as opposed to 'don't do it until you're really ready and confident, but I want you to be prepared and informed about sex as well, so let's talk about why you need a condom at all times'. Sexual guidance comes from the generation before it, and if the only messages that they receive are 'if you even think about boys you're a dirty slut' or 'boys will like you if you dress like a 1/8th size video girl', then it's little wonder that they're so confused. I barely have the mental fortitude to grapple with that sort of double-standard, and I have the luxury of a fully-grown brain.

Combining that very unattainable goal - children and teenagers will not have sex because we told them so, so I don't need to bother equiping them with the tools to understand the confusing mess that is sex and sexuality - with rising generations of children who don't have a strong stable influence to guide them through the minefield of puberty (appropriateness, moderating yourself, respecting yourself), and you have a lot of children and teenagers that have had a great disservice done to them. It's just unfortunate that the biggest disservice is being done to young girls, as they're still the ones who cop all of the petty, judgemental bile.


Best post yet
 

MarniMac

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Originally Posted by Raerae
http://news.yahoo.com/s/hsn/20061201...eenpregnancies

Thought that was a neat little tid-bit in the news today. Maybe the sky isn't falling afterall. Quick, someone link this to Chicken Little!


Hey that is good news. Its nice to know that teens are using birth control...abstinence as birth control leads to one thing afterall...pregnancy
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*Stargazer*

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That is exactly why I spent a little bit more and bought my daughters American Girl dolls instead. I have NO worries about the sexiness of a doll dressed up like an 18th century child LOL
 

Raerae

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Heh, they mentioned that American girl doll in the article.

All of it's just 1 big marketing campaign by corporate America anyways. We give little girls dolls that have accessories like, diamonds, cell phones, i-pods, cute clothes, hot shoes, etc... What do you think those girls are going to value as they get older? The same stuff
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Its just a big marketing scheme to condition young girls to be good little consumners like corporate America wants them to be.
 

MarniMac

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I just looked at those Bratz dolls on Toysrus.com...gah they are skanky! I mean, I was reading the "Barbie MAC collaboration" thread earlier, and I can see how Barbie might be a negative influence on little girls, even though I think she is just fun, but Bratz dolls look like full on strippers. That is disgusting!
 

Raerae

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Well duh!

Girls wont value the next SnoopDogg/Akon CD if they dont grow up wanting to be a stripper. Gheese =P
 

Beauty Mark

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lara- You brought up some excellent points. I was thinking more emotionally being unprepared. I was scared out of my mind of getting pregnant when I learned that people conceive children and that they don't magically appear (granted, I was also 7 and thought you got pregnant by literally sleeping next to someone of the same sex, so I was scared to fall asleep next to any male in even a car.)

I'm not saying I'd deal with an unexpected pregnancy or STD well now, but emotionally, I think I could handle it better now than I could as a child. I was aware of STDs and pregnancy and that it could happen to me, too. I just think hypothetically me getting herpes at 9 or 10 would be more emotionally devastating than me in my 20s getting herpes.
 

Chic 2k6

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ITA with you all! i was reading an article in a UK mag, Closer i think? and theres this 10 y/o lass and she was dressed up to the nines and looks 25 :|

Im 16 and i find that 'sexy' clothing for girls my age is acceptable but when i see little kiddies doing the same thing it makes me wanna grab some proper clothes and give it to their parents.

here in the UK, particularly in my area, little kids are dressed their age, no sexy clothing for them from what i can see but heyy soon as they hit 11 it all changes, this gal Chey *hate her* she dresses up too old and shes only 13, i mean WTH?
 
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