Kids? Too much too fast too soon?
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*Stargazer*
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Wanting to know what sex (and body parts are) is a completely different ball game from wanting to BE sexually active. It is NOT natural for a five year old to have sexual thoughts, feelings or longings. And sexualizing small children doesn't have anything to do with a little girl wanting to know why her parts are different from little Joey's.
Hawkeye
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I give up. I may as well be talking to a brick wall. We are just repeating the same things over and over so in the interest of saving time and space-I give up. Theres no use trying to explain my position.
I can tell you I agree to an extent and stand here until I'm blue in the face trying to defend my position bit quite frankly I don't have the time or the patience right now.
I can tell you I agree to an extent and stand here until I'm blue in the face trying to defend my position bit quite frankly I don't have the time or the patience right now.
Hawkeye
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THANK YOU!
FINALLY! SOMEONE GETS WHAT IM FREAKIN SAYIN
And if you would read my posts you would see that is EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING But god forbid if I say curiosity is OK! If you look through my posts you will see that I agree that the parents are to blame, that we shouldn't have the dolls and clothing etc and I am dead set against this- but noooooooo everybody wants to jump on me because they read the first line and see that I I think it is natural for curiosity!
Thank you shimmer-I am glad someone finally sees my point of view.
FINALLY! SOMEONE GETS WHAT IM FREAKIN SAYIN
And if you would read my posts you would see that is EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING But god forbid if I say curiosity is OK! If you look through my posts you will see that I agree that the parents are to blame, that we shouldn't have the dolls and clothing etc and I am dead set against this- but noooooooo everybody wants to jump on me because they read the first line and see that I I think it is natural for curiosity!
Thank you shimmer-I am glad someone finally sees my point of view.
*Stargazer*
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If I misunderstood you it is because you didn't say anything about curiousity. You used the phrases "longings" and "expressing themselves sexually." I'm sorry, but to me those mean something COMPLETELY different that the connotations of the word "curiousity"
Originally Posted by youbeabitch
THANK YOU! FINALLY! SOMEONE GETS WHAT IM FREAKIN SAYIN And if you would read my posts you would see that is EXACTLY WHAT I AM SAYING But god forbid if I say curiosity is OK! If you look through my posts you will see that I agree that the parents are to blame, that we shouldn't have the dolls and clothing etc and I am dead set against this- but noooooooo everybody wants to jump on me because they read the first line and see that I I think it is natural for curiosity! Thank you shimmer-I am glad someone finally sees my point of view. |
If I misunderstood you it is because you didn't say anything about curiousity. You used the phrases "longings" and "expressing themselves sexually." I'm sorry, but to me those mean something COMPLETELY different that the connotations of the word "curiousity"
Hawkeye
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I'm not going to get into an argument with you about it. Three posts up I even said lets agree to disagree. It obviously isn't happening. Someone gets what im saying-im a happy camper. I dont care who it is as long as they get it.
I've moved on to finding a Kirk to my mccoy and shimmers spock.
Like i said this discussion really isn't of that great of importance to me anymore (yes I have grown bored of it already!)
-shimmer if ya want you can delete this post if you find it bad
I've moved on to finding a Kirk to my mccoy and shimmers spock.
Like i said this discussion really isn't of that great of importance to me anymore (yes I have grown bored of it already!)
-shimmer if ya want you can delete this post if you find it bad
GalleyGirl
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Did anyone see the episode of South Park where the teachers start teaching the kids sex ed in like 4th grade? And the boys (Stan, Kyle, Kenny, Cartman and the rest) have no clue whats going on, so when the teacher says they need condoms to protect themselves, all the boys run out and get condoms and start wearing them everyday because they were told they needed them, even though they have no clue what they're for? Anyway, its a hilarious episdoe and a total commentary on how kids are sexualized at too young an age. This thread just reminded me of it. Oh, and of the Paris Hilton episode where she opens up a store in South Park called, "Stupid Skanky Slut" or something like that, so all the girls start saying, "I wanna be a Stupid Skanky Slut too!"
redambition
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i totally understand that for a dance concert, makeup is fine, even a neccessity under the lights.
i think it could be a little more toned down for a bunch of 8 year olds though.. the dance school also did a professional photoshoot of the girls in their concert costumes, and the photos were weird looking. it's odd seeing little kids so painted up, it just looked so out of place.
| Originally Posted by GalleyGirl
I don't know, I did dance at that age, and during our final performances, we did the same thing - blue eyeshadow (it was the 80's mind you), red lipstick, leotards and fishnets. The difference between now and then I guess though is that we were made to know that that was stage makeup and not real life makeup. |
i totally understand that for a dance concert, makeup is fine, even a neccessity under the lights.
i think it could be a little more toned down for a bunch of 8 year olds though.. the dance school also did a professional photoshoot of the girls in their concert costumes, and the photos were weird looking. it's odd seeing little kids so painted up, it just looked so out of place.
Shimmer
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Rereading the thread, I do want to say that regardless of commonality of a behaviour, the rightness or appropriateness doesn't change.
I stated previously that the bulk of people in this generation raising children haven't been properly equipped to do so, and I stand by this. Too many of them have been given most of what they had in life and haven't been taught what's really important. A nice house, nice cars, etc., are all just that NICE, but they don't make a home. Making a HOME is what these people don't know how to do...it's not something that just "happens". It's something that has to be worked for.
I don't care if it's common that teenagers are freak dancing, or going to parties and playing beer pong, or having sex at 10, or using their bodies to get their grades, or wearing tops that show way too much chest and cleavage, or wearing bottoms that could only be called bottoms by a far stretch of the imagination. Just because it's "common" doesn't make it "right".
There's a vast stretch between the two concepts.
I stated previously that the bulk of people in this generation raising children haven't been properly equipped to do so, and I stand by this. Too many of them have been given most of what they had in life and haven't been taught what's really important. A nice house, nice cars, etc., are all just that NICE, but they don't make a home. Making a HOME is what these people don't know how to do...it's not something that just "happens". It's something that has to be worked for.
I don't care if it's common that teenagers are freak dancing, or going to parties and playing beer pong, or having sex at 10, or using their bodies to get their grades, or wearing tops that show way too much chest and cleavage, or wearing bottoms that could only be called bottoms by a far stretch of the imagination. Just because it's "common" doesn't make it "right".
There's a vast stretch between the two concepts.
MxAxC-_ATTACK
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haha i saw both of those..
southpark is crazy
| Originally Posted by GalleyGirl
Did anyone see the episode of South Park where the teachers start teaching the kids sex ed in like 4th grade? And the boys (Stan, Kyle, Kenny, Cartman and the rest) have no clue whats going on, so when the teacher says they need condoms to protect themselves, all the boys run out and get condoms and start wearing them everyday because they were told they needed them, even though they have no clue what they're for? Anyway, its a hilarious episdoe and a total commentary on how kids are sexualized at too young an age. This thread just reminded me of it. Oh, and of the Paris Hilton episode where she opens up a store in South Park called, "Stupid Skanky Slut" or something like that, so all the girls start saying, "I wanna be a Stupid Skanky Slut too!" |
haha i saw both of those..
southpark is crazy
Beauty Mark
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I have to wonder if it's because society on a whole is kind of lazy, so it goes into discipling your kids, creating a home, etc.
| It's something that has to be worked for. |
I have to wonder if it's because society on a whole is kind of lazy, so it goes into discipling your kids, creating a home, etc.
Shimmer
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Of course society's lazy.
Look at what someone else said earlier in the thread...(I don't remember who and am honestly too busy to go back and look, so I'll paraphrase):
The kids who grew up in the 30s had to work for things. Their kids grew up in the 50s, they also had to do certain things, had to work for allowance money, mowing yards and what not, not to mention they didn't have 50453894729835 channels of television or video games to jack with, and they were still being taught to work for what they got.
Fast forward to the group of kids who grew up in the 80s. Mom and Dad remembered doing chores and working and stuff like that as kids and decided it'd be unfair to make their kids go through such horrid things, so basically they catered to them, in a LOT of different ways, and in doing so, cost these kids their coping skills, their "stick with it" skills, and their ability to appreciate that a dollar is something earned not given.
Now those kids, the ones from the 80s and 90s, are the ones raising kids...and they never matured themselves...these parents have no coping skills, have no true maturity.
Are they lazy? Yes. By all means, but they're lazy because they've never had to NOT be lazy.
Look at what someone else said earlier in the thread...(I don't remember who and am honestly too busy to go back and look, so I'll paraphrase):
The kids who grew up in the 30s had to work for things. Their kids grew up in the 50s, they also had to do certain things, had to work for allowance money, mowing yards and what not, not to mention they didn't have 50453894729835 channels of television or video games to jack with, and they were still being taught to work for what they got.
Fast forward to the group of kids who grew up in the 80s. Mom and Dad remembered doing chores and working and stuff like that as kids and decided it'd be unfair to make their kids go through such horrid things, so basically they catered to them, in a LOT of different ways, and in doing so, cost these kids their coping skills, their "stick with it" skills, and their ability to appreciate that a dollar is something earned not given.
Now those kids, the ones from the 80s and 90s, are the ones raising kids...and they never matured themselves...these parents have no coping skills, have no true maturity.
Are they lazy? Yes. By all means, but they're lazy because they've never had to NOT be lazy.
*Stargazer*
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I think you are right on Shimmer. I think there is a generation of parents who just don't know how to be mature adults or instill maturity in their children.
Char1986
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Wow, I just found this thread. Last week I was home for Thanksgiving and saw a lot of my family, including my cousin's kid, Patrick, who's in 8th grade - he just turned 14. We used to never talk but he's matured a lot in the past year and now he's a lot of fun to talk to. He's pretty open with me about stuff now.
Anyway, we were in my aunt's (his Grandma's) computer room and he was showing me her new computer. One of his friends, a girl, IMed him. He started telling me about her and her group of friends. They're 13-14 years old and most of them have already given oral sex to their boyfriends! I asked him if they were the "easy" girls and he said most of them actually weren't.
Pat said that at his birthday party last month, a lot of his friends left an hour or 2 before it ended, giving excuses for why they were leaving... and he found out later it was because a bunch of the girls wanted to go over their boyfriends' houses while their parents were out (it was a Saturday night). Eek.
I remember back when I was in middle school, there were just a couple girls like that, and they were known as the "sl*ts". Now it seems like it's the norm for 13-14 year olds dating each other.
Anyway, we were in my aunt's (his Grandma's) computer room and he was showing me her new computer. One of his friends, a girl, IMed him. He started telling me about her and her group of friends. They're 13-14 years old and most of them have already given oral sex to their boyfriends! I asked him if they were the "easy" girls and he said most of them actually weren't.
Pat said that at his birthday party last month, a lot of his friends left an hour or 2 before it ended, giving excuses for why they were leaving... and he found out later it was because a bunch of the girls wanted to go over their boyfriends' houses while their parents were out (it was a Saturday night). Eek.
I remember back when I was in middle school, there were just a couple girls like that, and they were known as the "sl*ts". Now it seems like it's the norm for 13-14 year olds dating each other.
Raerae
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Oh god... please...
Regardless of if teens should or should not be engaging in activities like the above at whatever age... Thank god were finally getting past the idea that women should be chaste, and remain pure for their future husbands. And those women who aren't afraid of their sexuality are deemed, "sluts" and "whores."
| Originally Posted by Char1986
I remember back when I was in middle school, there were just a couple girls like that, and they were known as the "sl*ts". Now it seems like it's the norm for 13-14 year olds dating each other. |
Oh god... please...
Regardless of if teens should or should not be engaging in activities like the above at whatever age... Thank god were finally getting past the idea that women should be chaste, and remain pure for their future husbands. And those women who aren't afraid of their sexuality are deemed, "sluts" and "whores."
