Middle eastern politics

[GreekChick]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raerae Had he just complied with the UN, and allowed inspectors in w/out any smoke and mirrors, the US would have never had any grounds what so ever to use military action. 911 or not. Same with the previous war in the early 90's over Kuwait. Had he withdrawn his military from Kuwait like the UN demanded, no military action would have been taken. Each time Military Action has been taken againt Iraq, it was because Saddam's government was given a set of demands to comply with by the UN, and FAILED to comply. And it's not like they were given 1 warning. It's more like the UN gave Saddam 10 million chances, now it's time for Military action. As a result of him constantly defying the globe, he's caused the deaths and sufferings that have resulted in Iraq from both wars. Thats the problem with being a Dictator like Saddam. You can't show weakness to ANYONE, else you risk losing control of your police state. You have to always show strength. The only problem is, Saddam was a scrawn little brat compared to the Military strength of the coalition. So every time his bluffs were called, he lost. Badly.

It's funny how were speaking about complying with the UN, another great example of defying the UN comes to mind, don't you think?

 

[Raerae]

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreekChick It's funny how were speaking about complying with the UN, another great example of defying the UN comes to mind, don't you think?

Yeh it is rather Ironic. But thats one of the perks to being a big fish.

 

[amoona]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raerae Thats why I say he played a bad hand of global politics and lost. But as a dictator, he kinda painted himself in the corner. For Sadam it was pretty much a lose lose situation. Chances are if he had started negotiating with the US, someone in his regime would go behind his back calling him a coward, and he would have been killed. But standing up to the US cost him his country too. Kinda sucks sometime

Back to my point being that the US had no right to invade Iraq. Especially considering they lied to Americans and gave a bs reason like WMD. Saddam maybe a sick man ... I do believe he had MAJOR mental problems ... but he's not a dumb man when it comes to the game of politics. The Bush Admin. was going to invade Iraq no matter what. They knew Saddam wouldn't negotiate with them, why should he? They knew they could use that as an excuse to say he had WMD without having any proof. Now it's all blowing up in their face.

Quote:

3 reasons. 1, there still talking. 2. The US is already involved in a huge mess in Iraq, another war? The president would never get enough support. 3. Invading N Korea is a much riskier indeavor, than invading Iraq ever was. While Iraq may have once had a fairly strong Military, by the time the invasion took place, it was a pretty pathetic army. N Korea on the other hand has a large military. And N Korea's military technology is more advanced than Iraq's. Not to mention their leader is a nut job too. N Korea has cards in their hand that Iraq didn't. N Korea has the abiity to cause a lot of death in S Korea. While it's not US citizens (other than the military there) that has to be taken into consideration b4 attacking them. It was pretty obvious that if Iraq was attacked, no other countries would be affected. N Korea has some form of a Nuculear weapon. Whether or not it can reach the United States at this point is irrelevant, it could probably reach S Korea, or Japan. Thats something else that has to be thought about b4 attacking N Korea. And considering the form of government, they would use the bomb. Dictators typically will do anything they can to keep power. Human life doeant mean anything to these types of governments. So the US just can't invade N. Korea. They had their chance to fix the problem back during Veitman, and they screwed up. And now were seeing the results of that.

I'm talking bout why they didn't invade N. Korea instead of invading Iraq?! You said it yourself, N. Korea is a much riskier. They are a larger threat to the US then Iraq and Saddam were. That's my point is saying why not invade N. Korea. If the US wants to be all nobel and rid the world of all evil then they should start with the real threats to the world. Just cuz they're scared of what N. Korea might do shouldn't be a reason. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say by using them as an example.

 

[Raerae]

Quote:

Originally Posted by amoona You may choose to disagree but those are all facts.

how was saying I wasn't disagreeing, suddenly disagreeing lol?

 

[Raerae]

Quote:

Originally Posted by amoona I'm talking bout why they didn't invade N. Korea instead of invading Iraq?!

The political climate at the time wasn't right for a Korean Invasion, congress would have never authorized it. Not to mention, comming off the previous failure there. N. Korea had many variables at stake back in 2003. And even more now.

And i do agree the US Government has been trying to eliminate Saddam for quite some time now.

 

[Raerae]

Quote:

Originally Posted by amoona but he's not a dumb man when it comes to the game of politics.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that point. Considering every time he's defied the US, it's blown up in his face, I can't se how he thought this would be any different. With even less of an army now, than he had in desert shield/storm.

 

[amoona]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raerae how was saying I wasn't disagreeing, suddenly disagreeing lol?

I apologize I TOTALLY read that wrong.

 

[amoona]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raerae We'll have to agree to disagree on that point. Considering every time he's defied the US, it's blown up in his face, I can't se how he thought this would be any different. With even less of an army now, than he had in desert shield/storm.

Ok but I kinda think he wanted the US to invade because he thought he could defeat them. Yes it's blown up in his face before, but like I said he was a lil off.

 

[Raerae]

Anyways Amoona, i'm done with this topic. Had fun though, and learned a bit more about the ME I didn't know b4. Until the next one! lol!

 

[Janice]

I'm glad everyone got a chance to work on this one.

I don't see these threads as unproductive, BTW. I'm only locking it because I think the argument on all sides has exhausted it's course for now. Please feel free to make a new topic if you want to spin off on this discussion.