Photo Retouching vs the Real Picture

[glam8babe]

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Originally Posted by MxAxC-_ATTACK I mean hypocritical as how (as it's already been pointed out ) Someone said Eva Longoria (sp?) looked Rotten because she was lacking in the hip region,and "looked like a boy" .

yeh she DOES look rotten and like a boy.. i mean on the red carpet and stuff she looks 'perfect' but thats a loads of bullshit, she has a straight up n down body shes a size DOUBLE ZERO!!!!!!! thats gross and shes not naturally like that at all ive seen pictures in magazines from when shes younger, ohh and have you seen her with no makeup on? if she was walking down the street u wudnt wanna look at her twice coz shes not even pretty unless she has her makeup professionally done and has been airbrushed.

 

[ratmist]

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Originally Posted by Raerae And really, the best you can do is to red pen that lack of the letter m in my post? Perhaps if your points were as good as your spelling you might have one.

Up until now, it's taken practically everything inside of me not to point out the laziness of your logic, grammar, spelling, and attitude. Since you stated you went to college, I assumed that you are educated past the fourth grade level, so you should know that little rule when you add 'ing' to most words, you have to drop the 'e'. "Haveing hips" indeed doesn't make you a woman, but having the extra 'e' makes me think you're illiterate and therefore worth dismissing. I swear I'll stop harping on like a grammar nazi if you just make a tiny sliver of effort.

Anyway, to return to your comment, I choose to point out that if you chose to work retail, you accept your responsibilities, meager as they are, and behave accordingly. You replied stating it doesn't matter because it's all just minimum wage, thereby neatly avoiding all responsibility for your actions. Except, no. You work retail, you accept dealing with the public, and accept you've turned yourself into a servant in return for minimum wage and an employee discount. Or you quit - which you did - hurrah!

As for your present actions, you choose to spitefully relate stories from your work experience to create drama and bad feelings on a message board because someone pushed one of your buttons - the weight issue size zero thing. You pushed back. You chose to take it personally when someone expressed a harsh opinion that a celebrity whom we all could probably not care less about didn't look very nice in a bikini because she is so very thin and resembles a prepubescent boy. (Although I think calling her 'rotten' is really unfair. Unattractive, certainly.) Others chose to take it personally when you related your spiteful thoughts from your retail experience - myself included.

The consequences are that this thread isn't happy anymore, we're all pissed off at each other, you won't change or apologize or even admit that maybe you were wrong in some of your assumptions regarding why women take multiple sizes into a dressing room, and so

to turn this into a flame war.

 

[glam8babe]

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Originally Posted by Raerae After working in womens retail clothing, and hearing the comments women make to themselves in the dressing room when they don't fit the size they want. Or the tone of voice they use when they had to ask me to get a bigger size, I think i'm pretty spot on with that one. And being the one that had to clean up the dressing rooms, you get pretty tired of seeing women carry in the small size with the medium, or the medium and the large, when it's pretty obvious the smaller size was "wishful thinking."

i dont see what the problem is if people take in 2 sizes to try on? =S shops have different sizing like in some shops im a size 6 [US 2] in tops and some size 8 [US 4] but in bottoms im always almost a 10 [US 6] so i have to try different sizes because theres no point in going in a changing room with a too small top then getting dressed again just to go get the next size up.
and so what if you have to clean up the dressing rooms, its part of your job to do it so dont complain, if you dont like cleaning up then go for a different job simple as that

 

[ratmist]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark In any case, Keira Knightly had a great point about the breast obsession, since that's what happened with a lot of those photos is you look in that area. I wouldn't have thought much about how flat she was if the two photos weren't posted by each other. It's funny how the women are the ones who want to see bigger breasts and not men, according to that survey.

Did you see her Chanel (Coco Mademoiselle) advertisement? They gave her breasts again!

I think she's quite smart in letting herself get digitally rather than surgically 'enhanced'. If she purchased new breasts, she'd look really odd and obvious unless it was a very small breast size.

I shudder when I see Posh Spice's chest...

 

[c00ki312]

wow its good to see that they look normal and retouching makes them look 'perfect'...look at the difference in kelly clarkson. theyve sucked her in to look way thinner then she normally is. there is nothing wrong with her normal size anyway.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by ratmist I thought that was the saddest pic of all, to be honest. It's proof that the media just cannot accept curves on a successful woman; they are actively pushing an image of thinness onto the population that, in the case of Kelly, equates with the ability to go from an average girl to a megasuperstar. I love that she is a very beautiful, but very average-sized woman. Her body is actually quite comforting. She and Kate Winslet are inspirations for those of us in the size 6 to 10 range who wonder whether we need to lose weight. Winslet recently interviewed that the pictures of her in a recent magazine are the product of two hours of makeup and hair, a great deal of retouching, and the fact that her skintight Valentino gown had to be professionally taken out because it was "miniscule". Love her candidness and the fact that she's up front how hard it is to maintain a good self image in today's weight-obsessed society. I don't think anyone really knows what's 'normal' and 'pretty' and 'right' anymore. The goal posts change daily and whip us up into a frenzy of jealousy, fear and depression. Then the plastic surgeons and the luxury brands come in and offer all the things we suddenly feel we need to feel 'normal', 'pretty', and 'right'. They make a lot of money off of us, and we end up just as confused and unhappy as before, and poorer for the joke. The reason I posted this thread in the first place was just in the hope that some Specktra members would see it and have a nice day in their bodies, no matter what shape, colour or gender, and not get upset by magazine covers or gossip blogs or whatever.

Another celeb whose body is fantastic for being realistic is Mandy Moore. No one could look at her and call her 'fat', but she's not a rail either. Kudos to her for that.
I remember seeing Jennifer Lopez in Savannah during the Bennifer days, and Yeah. That is one hellacious ass. Saw her in some beach pictures the other day and she's still got it. She's not fat at all, and you damn sure can't tell me an ass like that fits into a size 2, 4, or even 6.
Props to them for that, I think.

 

[MxAxC-_ATTACK]

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Originally Posted by glam8babe yeh she DOES look rotten and like a boy.. i mean on the red carpet and stuff she looks 'perfect' but thats a loads of bullshit, she has a straight up n down body shes a size DOUBLE ZERO!!!!!!! thats gross and shes not naturally like that at all ive seen pictures in magazines from when shes younger, ohh and have you seen her with no makeup on? if she was walking down the street u wudnt wanna look at her twice coz shes not even pretty unless she has her makeup professionally done and has been airbrushed.

That is Your opinion. and you are entitled to it. but some people ARE naturally a size 00, and that does NOT make them rotten or gross. I used to have a very good friend who was a size 0, NATURALLY and she was just built very small with no curves, and people would ALWAYS tell her she looked "gross" , that she needed "help" and all sorts of extremely rude things, She was quite hurt by these things, and she told me about all of them.

You wouldn't tell someone "ew your disgustingly Fat! you look like an elephant!" would you?

 

[ratmist]

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Originally Posted by MxAxC-_ATTACK That is Your opinion. and you are entitled to it. but some people ARE naturally a size 00, and that does NOT make them rotten or gross. I used to have a very good friend who was a size 0, NATURALLY and she was just built very small with no curves, and people would ALWAYS tell her she looked "gross" , that she needed "help" and all sorts of extremely rude things, She was quite hurt by these things, and she told me about all of them. You wouldn't tell someone "ew your disgustingly Fat! you look like an elephant!" would you?

Without defending what was said (I don't believe it's fair or right to call anyone 'rotten', regardless of size, and I do believe there are naturally thin women, but the numbers have skyrocketed since the size 0 trend, and that is probably not a genetic coincidence), I think the difference between making fun of someone who is thin and someone who is overweight is kinda backwards. Every girl I've know who is really thin actually seems kinda pleased under all the huffy anger and endless rants - and this may be incredibly unpopular to state, but I honestly believe they feel justified when someone gets annoyed at them for being thin. It's like a backwards compliment, because most of the girls I've known work bloody hard to get in shape and be fashionably thin. The more disgusting the comment about it, the more these women seem convinced that they simply must be doing something right, because why else would these women get so jealous and catty? Being called out on it - being called an anorexic, or being asked if she's a bulimic - rarely meant really hurt feelings to these friends of mine, because there was this kind of strange pride that came out instead, something that roughly translates to "No shit I'm thin, I work really hard at it, and by the way, I'm a helluva lot healthier than you, so sod off."

That being said, I am absolutely certain there are naturally (as in, they don't have an exercise regime and they do eat properly, as opposed to those that are on a strict diet and are exercise bunnies) thin ladies out there who really are hurt when someone assumes they have an eating disorder. However, I honestly believe there are a lot of women who thrive on the nasty comments, and cannot wait to hear them applied to themselves. It works like a compliment because it actually affirms how unique and different you are simply by being thin - the thinner the better!

 

[Marielle001]

Can't we all have an "I'm okay, you're okay" hug? I think most of the stuff said on this thread was internet misunderstanding stuff. I've definitely reread posts or journal entries and thought to myself "wow I'm such a snot online" or read a response and thought "their interpretation is definitely not how I meant it." It happens.

On topic: Most of the original photos look fine until you compare them to the airbrushed version...

 

[xIxSkyDancerxIx]

Wow... heated thread lol

On the 00 topic.. my friend's wife goes between a size 00 and 0 and she's just naturally that skinny, but she's really small and petite so maybe that's why. But yah, she's a size 00 with natural C cup boobs, and I know people give her a hard time because they thing something or another is fake etc etc etc.

IMO.. does it really matter who's what size? I admit that I've thought a few means things about people bigger and smaller than me, but in the end it doesn't really matter does it? :/

I have small boobs but according to my friend's I have a pretty big butt, but who cares? I have people that love me for me, and more importantly I love me for me..

So let's all be happy lol

 

[glam8babe]

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Originally Posted by MxAxC-_ATTACK That is Your opinion. and you are entitled to it. but some people ARE naturally a size 00, and that does NOT make them rotten or gross. I used to have a very good friend who was a size 0, NATURALLY and she was just built very small with no curves, and people would ALWAYS tell her she looked "gross" , that she needed "help" and all sorts of extremely rude things, She was quite hurt by these things, and she told me about all of them. You wouldn't tell someone "ew your disgustingly Fat! you look like an elephant!" would you?

haha well im not fat =) im happy with my curves and im glad i dont look like im ready to drop dead with my teeth rotting away, my hair falling out, my skin being dull and all those other sick things. and its not my problem they are that 'naturally' skinny maybe they should build some muscle but whatever i know what im talking about.. here in the UK like in every magazines its like 'curves are SEXY' and victoria beckham has the worst body like nicole richie and all the other anorexics. They say they dont have an eating disorder but they clearly do. Victoria was a UK size 10 back in her spice girl days which is what i am now.. and now shes a uk size 4 [US 0] and looks sick! and nicole richie was normal [abit chubby but she could have easily toned up] and now look at her AND shes pregnant. it looks sick to be honest and i dont care if any of you think being size 0 is sexy because it f*cking isnt! ohh and Lilly Cole [top model] now has curves and has gone up a dress size because she hated being size 0 and wanted to look womanly so it just goes to show ya

even Jean Paul Gaultier the fashion designer put a size 22 model down his run way earlier this year as another way to say 'FUCK THE SIZE 0 SCUM BAGS!'

 

[Shimmer]

I think saying 'scum bags' is really harsh, and a size 22 isn't attractive or healthy either, anymore than an unnatural 0 is.

 

[Calhoune]

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Originally Posted by glam8babe haha well im not fat =) im happy with my curves and im glad i dont look like im ready to drop dead with my teeth rotting away, my hair falling out, my skin being dull and all those other sick things. and its not my problem they are that 'naturally' skinny maybe they should build some muscle but whatever i know what im talking about.. here in the UK like in every magazines its like 'curves are SEXY' and victoria beckham has the worst body like nicole richie and all the other anorexics. They say they dont have an eating disorder but they clearly do. Victoria was a UK size 10 back in her spice girl days which is what i am now.. and now shes a uk size 4 [US 0] and looks sick! and nicole richie was normal [abit chubby but she could have easily toned up] and now look at her AND shes pregnant. it looks sick to be honest and i dont care if any of you think being size 0 is sexy because it f*cking isnt! ohh and Lilly Cole [top model] now has curves and has gone up a dress size because she hated being size 0 and wanted to look womanly so it just goes to show ya even Jean Paul Gaultier the fashion designer put a size 22 model down his run way earlier this year as another way to say 'FUCK THE SIZE 0 SCUM BAGS!'

There are things such as naturally skinny, and there are things such as naturally big.
Honestly, I think being thin suits Nicole Richie better, but she is taking it to an unhealthy extreme.
Just because you prefer women with curves, it doesn't mean that you can bash on those who don't have them. Eva Longoria for example is pretty straight, and I don't think that her just "putting on weight on to become a real woman" will do anything because she will always be pretty straight, she'll just look like a blob with added weight.
So I guess she's just shit out of luck of ever becoming a real woman huh?

Aslong as you have a womb, in my eyes you'll be a real, beautiful woman.

I thought Kelly Clarksons picture was beautiful, and it makes me sad that they have to do that. I can't imagine modeling for a magazine and then having to watch the photoshopped picture, with almost half of my body gone, I'd be devastated.

I like watching pictures like these from time to time, it makes them feel more like real people. That yes, they can have uneven skin too, they have blubbler welling from the line of their pants too, they too have big butts and no hips. Yay I'm normal

 

[flowerhead]

I don't think calling anyone a scumbag based on their appearance is justified...

 

[Shimmer]

I think the idea is to be the best the body can be in its natural state...whether the natural state is a 0 or a 12. Eating healthy, getting regular cardiovascular exercise, doing weight bearing exercise, maintaining a healthy level of fat/muscle ratio, and doing what's best for the body.
Generally speaking, women who are that slim have no muscle tone, they're skinnyfat. Parts of them are mushy and saggy, and there's nothing under there to hold the skin up. Example? Paris Hilton. She's tall and skinny and has a dimply saggy backside to show for it because she has no muscle tone. Tara Reid took the easy way out, now she's got loose skin and no muscle tone. One doesn't have to have be a hardcore athlete to have muscle tone. I can helluva lot more respect a girl who's a size 12 and in the gym working out properly and eating right than the size 2 girl who walks past sucking on a non fat no sugar no whip frappuccino.
I've got a helluva lot more admiration and respect for women like Jamie Easonpic2 who study the craft and make a lifestyle of it, and maintain their femininity on top of that.
My favorite female lover ever was 137 lbs and 5f3. That's 4 lbs heavier than I am now, and she wore a size 1. Her wedding dress was a size 2 taken in. Her body was tighter than an apache bowstring. She worked out daily and ate healthy and took care of herself and it showed. And, had she been a size 6 instead of a size 1, I still would have been just as attracted to her.

Women who don't take care of themselves whether they're skinny or fat, aren't attractive.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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Did you see her Chanel (Coco Mademoiselle) advertisement? They gave her breasts again!

They gave her nice breasts

. Even though it's dumb to digitally give her breasts, I will say they gave her proportionate ones and not huge, over the top ones.

The Gaultier weight thing was more of a stunt than an actual celebration of larger women. Has he continued that trend in his shows, using more common sizes or large women? No, he has not. This has nothing to do with my personal opinion of large women, it's just what happened.

Some people, like Keira Knightly, are very thin and look like they're still healthy. I don't think criticizing the thin or fat is great. Yeah, some extraordinarily thin women get off on the criticism, but most of the ones I've known haven't or are suffering from other issues. If you think being extremely thin is unhealthy yet those women enjoy the criticism, why are you feeding into it?

I hate to break it to people, but calling someone anorexic or bulimic looking nowadays is meant as an insult a lot of the time. Who here hasn't honestly heard someone say or write, "Oh she's so anorexic. It's so disgusting." If the person is truly suffering from an eating disorder, anorexia isn't any more disgusting than depression, bipolar disorder, etc. It's sad. Even though the media celebrates thin (but not too thin, of course, or the anorexia/bulimia speculation starts), people you know purposefully insulting you to your face because you're thin is still hurtful.

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Generally speaking, women who are that slim have no muscle tone, they're skinnyfat.

Allure ran an article about women who don't exercise but are very thin. I think they got winded doing relatively simple activities, like going up a few flights of stairs. It turned out they were pretty unhealthy even if their bodies were thin.

 

[Shimmer]

I think therein lies the crux of the problem.
It's 'obvious' an obese person is unhealthy. It's 'obvious' what they are doing to their bodies.
It's not as obvious for a slim woman to be determined as unhealthy onsight.
Yet...she may be equally unhealthy in her own body as the heavy woman.
Helluva thing, the human body.

 

[user79]

I think women criticize other women the most, and this thread is a testament of that. People's weight and their curves or lack of them should never be such a big issue. We are only reinforcing the stereotypes of the ideal figure. People come in all shapes and sizes, and we shouldn't be pushing our views on anyone.

 

[kuuipo1207]

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Originally Posted by Kimberleigh I may be reiterating someone else's comment, but I think it's worth mentioning it again; this is so disturbing to me. I get 4 magazines a month: Vogue, Harper's Bazaar, In Style, Marie Claire, and Parenting (yeah, yeah, yeah! LOL!). Although I had a pretty good idea that mostly everything is airbrushed in all of them...well, maybe not Parenting as much, it just makes me really sad that it's come to this. It's sad that our culture now has to stoop to this never ending inability to achieve the "look" that a certain celeb has when said celebrity doesn't even look that good. How can they not be screaming and yelling about this? Don't *they* look in the mirrors and see that they're not as perfect as these magazines are making them out to be? I've heard of people like Keira Knightly pitching a bitch because they've enhanced her boobs for a movie ad (it was a knights of the round table movie, but for the life of me, I can't come up with the title), but I can't recall a whole lot of others complaining about this...

the movie is "King Arthur"....rather good movie too. Gives a different perspective on the whole King Arthur and his knights of the round table story.



---ooops...had I finished reading the rest of the post I would have noticed that it stated the movie. Oh well.

I'd try to respond with something more relative to the topic at hand, but I've been reading it over the past couple of days and really don't want to get involved...but I'll comment anyway. I agree with lots of people on here and pretty much disagree with a couple of people...mainly the name calling/assuming ones. Just because someone is a size double-zero doesn't mean that they are "rotten" or "disgusting". Unattractive, sure. Sickly, maybe, if they like look they're not getting the nutrients they need and they look like Shimmer said "skinnyfat". But that's just my opinion. And that's really all that any of this is...is peoples' opinions. If someone says something I don't like, well, sure I get angry about it. But then I click the little "x" or just choose to ignore the comment that was made, cause in reality, the only thing that matters is what I think of myself, and not what some bratty little teenager in a retail store thinks of me.

 

[MarieLisa_Smile]

Here's a poem/picture I found about people being different sizes and shape....

All Gods People

Ever wonder why we judge other actions
What makes us think we know what is best
Each one must be their own person
We must do what we have to do
to endure lives hardships
Each of us are different
Depending on different methods to live our lives
God made each and everyone of us different
Telling us not to judge

We forget sometimes,
to just live life as best we can
Forgetting each of us are the same
We just come in different colors,shapes and sizes.
None of us are better, than the other
In Gods eyes, we are all the same
So look at your family, friends
and neighbors, through Gods eyes
You will see, the best in me

Don't judge me, just love me for myself
God does, so why can't you?
Try to right all the wrongs in your life
Not looking for them in others
There is room for all of us
Look for the good
Never the bad
Always look ahead
Never back
Enjoy all that you have
Never hating what you don't

Ann Taylor​