Powerful? Courageous? Disgusting? Over the line? NSFW.

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Actually, she's saying, "Buy Nolita."

Newp.

She's saying:
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“I’ve hidden myself and covered myself for too long. Now I want to show myself fearlessly, even though I know my body arouses repugnance. I want to recover because I love life and the riches of the universe. I want to show young people how dangerous this illness is.”

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Your statement was that obesity makes money for mcdonald's and trimspa. Prove it.

Well since it's a FACT that the majority of the population in the united states are overweight or obese. And useing that same population breakdown as McDonalds average customer base. More people who are obese or overweight are going to be buying McDonalds. Thus, McDonalds is profiting off the obesity epidemic in the United States. As they are makeing more money off overweight Americans, then healthy Americans, just due to demographic breakdown alone.

We can also assume, that a larger individual will be more inclined to order a larger portion. So the obesity epidemic also means that people who are overweight or obese, are probably spending more money per visit to McDonalds, than individuals of healthy weight.

Would you like to supersize that for just .25 more ma'am?

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Newp. She's saying:

No, thats what here interview says.

The actual advertisement thats getting 99% of the media exposure is an ad for Nolita.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Well since it's a FACT that the majority of the population in the united states are overweight or obese. And useing that same population breakdown as McDonalds average customer base. More people who are obese or overweight are going to be buying McDonalds. Thus, McDonalds is profiting off the obesity epidemic in the United States. As they are makeing more money off overweight Americans, then healthy Americans, just due to demographic breakdown alone. We can also assume, that a larger individual will be more inclined to order a larger portion. So the obesity epidemic also means that people who are overweight or obese, are probably spending more money per visit to McDonalds, than individuals of healthy weight. Would you like to supersize that for just .25 more ma'am?

Prove it.

You're saying that everyone eating at McDonald's is obese, and that only obese people spend money there, as well as saying that the advertisers for McDonald's targets obese people. Yet there's been a definite trend on the McDonald's menu to target the 'healthy eating' crowd...which would tend to be completely against your purported assumption.

The thing is, always, when a thread comes up like this, no matter what example someone gives for an anorexic individual, it's guaranteed that YOU will appear in the thread touting and shouting the absolute benefits of being 'skinny', and how many people who are 'skinny' are that way due to being 'naturally skinny', and how 'it's so much worse to be fat than it is to be skinny, since most skinny girls are that way naturally'. It's guaranteed you'll come in and tell us how disgusting anyone larger than a 0 or 2 is, and how you can eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and never gain weight. You'll be sure to point out that a 0 is too big for you, it falls off of you and there's a positive pandemic of 'skinny prejudice' exploding everywhere.
Every time. Every thread.

I'm by no means excusing obesity. At all. However, I'm certainly not saying it's normal or healthy to look or strive to be like the woman in the ad.
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More people who are obese or overweight are going to be buying McDonalds. Thus, McDonalds is profiting off the obesity epidemic in the United States.

Where are the numbers to vouchsafe this statement? Where are the statistics? Are you speaking scientifically or anecdotally?

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae No, thats what here interview says. The actual advertisement thats getting 99% of the media exposure is an ad for Nolita.

What SHE says.
Not what the AD says.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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Mc Donalds, and Trim Spa, need I go on?

Actually, the ones with EDs/underweight issues could be quite profitable. I'm currently underweight and gaining weight through Boost and Ensure (as recommended by a nutritionist). The mental health industry makes money off of treating the mental aspect of EDs.

EDs and obesity- I think obesity is more prevalent, honestly, but I'm not sure. I have issues with maintaining healthy; it's not anorexia or bulimia, but I still struggle with that. When I was over 10% underweight, I looked bad (I could see it) but everyone around me thought I looked fabulous. Perhaps we're not trained to identify less severe cases and can only see the ones that go to that extreme.

When it comes to people being overweight, they get their issues brought to light in other ways. Not too many clothes for them, all the fad diets...

Every day we're taught fat is bad and thin is good. While I still am not sure of this ad and whether it works, it does remind us of fairly "normal" mental health that you can really be too thin.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer You're saying that everyone eating at McDonald's is obese, and that only obese people spend money there

I stopped reading after this. Please point out anywhere where i said only obese people eat at McDonalds.

 

[Shimmer]

Get some facts and come back.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer The thing is, always, when a thread comes up like this, no matter what example someone gives for an anorexic individual, it's guaranteed that YOU will appear in the thread touting and shouting the absolute benefits of being 'skinny', and how many people who are 'skinny' are that way due to being 'naturally skinny', and how 'it's so much worse to be fat than it is to be skinny, since most skinny girls are that way naturally'. It's guaranteed you'll come in and tell us how disgusting anyone larger than a 0 or 2 is, and how you can eat and eat and eat and eat and eat and never gain weight. You'll be sure to point out that a 0 is too big for you, it falls off of you and there's a positive pandemic of 'skinny prejudice' exploding everywhere. Every time. Every thread.

Oh please, where in this thread have i talk about the benefits of being skinny, or people being naturally thin, or whatever. I posted my opinion on the AD, and YOU attacked me for it.

YOU then de-railed the thread onto the topic about my recent surgery.

Your the one also instigating this little tiff with regards to obesity/profit

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I'm by no means excusing obesity. At all. However, I'm certainly not saying it's normal or healthy to look or strive to be like the woman in the ad.

I don't think anyone in this thread said it. Other than you in the post above.

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Where are the numbers to vouchsafe this statement? Where are the statistics? Are you speaking scientifically or anecdotally?

I've linked government weight statistics in America plenty of time already. Go search for them yourself, i'm tired of re-posting them.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark Actually, the ones with EDs/underweight issues could be quite profitable. I'm currently underweight and gaining weight through Boost and Ensure (as recommended by a nutritionist). The mental health industry makes money off of treating the mental aspect of EDs.

It is very profitable. My Mom's neighbors daughter is currently in a recovery hospital for severe Anarexia, and the place costs like 30k/mo.

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I have issues with maintaining healthy; it's not anorexia or bulimia, but I still struggle with that. When I was over 10% underweight, I looked bad (I could see it) but everyone around me thought I looked fabulous. Perhaps we're not trained to identify less severe cases and can only see the ones that go to that extreme.

This is what people like Shimmer can never understand. Haveing to go out of your way to try to gain weight, because if you eat normally, barely maintain, or typically you lose it.

Grass is always greener.

I stepped on a scale after I was released from the hospital. I was in the hospital for 2 nights and 2 and 1/2 days. After a wonderful diet of chicken broth, jello, and gingerale I was released from the hospital. I went into the hospital at 105. When i stepped on the scale three days later, I was 95 LBS.

That was two weeks, 3 days ago, and as of a few seconds ago, i weigh 98 LBS. Since being released from the hospital, i've gone through a case of Boost and Ensure, thats like 24 of those 350 calorie a drink bottles. Thats in addition to makeing an effort for make sure that I eat 3 meals a day, instead of skipping breakfast.

Whens the last time you cried when you stepped on a scale Shimmer?

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer What SHE says. Not what the AD says.

Most people don't care what she says.

The might however google No-L-Ita

Did you even bother going to their site?

Yeh they have the ana girl all over it. Go look at the models they have on their website showing their clothes.

www.nolita.it/nolita

Yeh, they really care about anarexia. All I see is more stick thin waifs walking runways.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Oh please, where in this thread have i talk about the benefits of being skinny, or people being naturally thin, or whatever. I posted my opinion on the AD, and YOU attacked me for it. YOU then de-railed the thread onto the topic about my recent surgery. Your the one also instigating this little tiff with regards to obesity/profit I don't think anyone in this thread said it. Other than you in the post above. I've linked government weight statistics in America plenty of time already. Go search for them yourself, i'm tired of re-posting them.

You've got to post them, to repost them.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae It is very profitable. My Mom's neighbors daughter is currently in a recovery hospital for severe Anarexia, and the place costs like 30k/mo. This is what people like Shimmer can never understand. Haveing to go out of your way to try to gain weight, because if you eat normally, barely maintain, or typically you lose it. Grass is always greener. I stepped on a scale after I was released from the hospital. I was in the hospital for 2 nights and 2 and 1/2 days. After a wonderful diet of chicken broth, jello, and gingerale I was released from the hospital. I went into the hospital at 105. When i stepped on the scale three days later, I was 95 LBS. That was two weeks, 3 days ago, and as of a few seconds ago, i weigh 98 LBS. Since being released from the hospital, i've gone through a case of Boost and Ensure, thats like 24 of those 350 calorie a drink bottles. Thats in addition to makeing an effort for make sure that I eat 3 meals a day, instead of skipping breakfast. Whens the last time you cried when you stepped on a scale Shimmer?

Where's your pic?
You said you were going to post one post op. What happened with that?

I don't cry stepping on a scale. My doctor, orthopedic surgeon, and physical therapist have all told me I've got exactly what I need and want for what my goals are. Then again, I'm generally speaking in the minority.

 

[SparklingWaves]

I agree with you, Raerae, the models look very thin on the website. I don't see a big change with the runway models anywhere in regard to looking a more appropriate weight for their height.

In regard to McDonald's, I saw that documentary titled "Super size me". A man did a study on himself by eating all his meals at McDonald's. The study didn't go according to his time table, because he began having chest pains and his blood work went into a red zone in a short period of time.

In the beginning, the guy was a normal weight and healthy (according to his personal doctor). He was literally throwing up from trying to digest all of the super sized meals. As the course of the study continued, he found that he was beginning to have a craving for the food , gaining weight rapidly, and feeling depressed.

In regard to thinness, there is new information. Physicians used to think thin was healthier, but advanced testing is showing this may not always be the case. If someone is thin and does little to no exercise, they may be just bone and fat with no muscle. On advanced MRI screening, these inactive thin folks are showing they have fat hidden internally.

Nutritionist have long been preaching that people who are extremely overweight are considered nutritionally starved. If their diet is from too much simple carbohydrates and/or animal fats, they will be starved of vitamins, minerals, & protein.

Therefore, weight is a complex issue. Body weight index, blood work, advanced MRI pictures, and body fat ratio are shedding a light into the blurred world of what is called a healthy weight and what is perceived as healthy.

 

[SparklingWaves]

Powerful? Courageous? Disgusting? Over the line? Personally, I think that the ad is all of the above.

But, I am really concerned about this woman. Is she receiving the care she needs or being exploited to sell clothing?

When someone is this starved, I don't think they are really thinking clearly. So, I think someone maybe using her at a very vulnerable state of mind and body.

 

[Shimmer]

undoubtedly, but she seems to want a recovery, which may be provided by the monies earned for this ad. *shrug*

I wish her the best.

 

[3jane]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Obesity makes money.

Anything can make money. Of course, it's possible to say something like there's a whole multi-billion dollar industry surrounding obesity, but I think it's important to keep things in perspective and examine cause and effect.

First, with obesity, the marketing is usually concerned with making you less fat. Trimspa makes money insofar as it sells people on loosing weight. And they only show the fat "before" pictures of people to contrast with the happy, smiling, thinner "after" spokesmodels.

McDonalds makes money, by selling (albeit fattening) food, not by making people fat. It's not like they actually profit off of making the US obese-- it doesn't matter who's eating the burger or what happens to them after they buy it, as long as someone's buying. (Like cigarette companies don't profit by people coming down with lung cancer; but by selling cigarettes.)

Meanwhile, thinner models are used to sell just about everything. There really is no obese equivalent. Obese people aren't used to sell things the way thin (even extremely thin) women are. Even McDonalds still uses thin people in their commercials to market their burgers.

 

[SparklingWaves]

I agree with you. We just don't know. I am truly concerned for this woman. She appears as though she is going to drop dead. I want to save her, but I can't do it for her. I sure hope that it isn't too late. Sometimes, the damage to the body is just too great to overcome.

For others that do survive, the recovery is a secret life long struggle. They may face serious physical complications early in their life.

Shimmer, thanks for pointing this ad out and this woman's courageous battle. I also wish her, others suffering from this terrible illness, and their loved ones the best.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Where's your pic? You said you were going to post one post op. What happened with that?

Yeh, i said i'd post one when I was healed. You dont go under surgery and when the bandages come off 30 mins later, look perfect. Cosmetic surgery isn't like reality TV Shimmer sorry.

Right now i'm still bruised, swollen, and have raised scars.


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I don't cry stepping on a scale. My doctor, orthopedic surgeon, and physical therapist have all told me I've got exactly what I need and want for what my goals are. Then again, I'm generally speaking in the minority.

Nice to know the point of that went right over your head, as usual. Maybe those three doctors you visit could clarify.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by 3jane First, with obesity, the marketing is usually concerned with making you less fat. Trimspa makes money insofar as it sells people on loosing weight. And they only show the fat "before" pictures of people to contrast with the happy, smiling, thinner "after" spokesmodels.

Don't forget the results not typical disclaimer. Companies like this done want to make people thinner. You could argue that just like the pharmacutical companies since many of their weightloss pills are drugs, that they make more profit from treating the problem, than actually cureing it.

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McDonalds makes money, by selling (albeit fattening) food, not by making people fat. It's not like they actually profit off of making the US obese-- it doesn't matter who's eating the burger or what happens to them after they buy it, as long as someone's buying. (Like cigarette companies don't profit by people coming down with lung cancer; but by selling cigarettes.)

I know McDonalds doesn't discriminate. I never said they did. I'll even get some fries and a chicken sammich on occasion. But lets be realistic, look at the portions people purchase when they are dining in. When I have the only "regular" sized drink (this used to be the medium, you can't even get the small anymore unless u get a kids meal) in the entire room, you have to start wondering.

No I can't prove it, (well I probably could but the research involved would not be worth my time), but from personal expierence eating out with overweight co-workers, they tend to *drumroll please* EAT MORE than I do. So the assumption that larger individuals whol go to Mc Donalds are more inclined to order more food, really isn't that far off base. So yes, Mc Donalds indirectly profits off of the obesity epidemic. They don't force anyone to Super Size, but how many people do you see really turning that down.


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Meanwhile, thinner models are used to sell just about everything. There really is no obese equivalent. Obese people aren't used to sell things the way thin (even extremely thin) women are. Even McDonalds still uses thin people in their commercials to market their burgers.

Of course not. You'll sooner see Jared from Subway pitching a BigMac, than you will a large individual speaking about how taisty a BigMac is. Because that would imply in advertising, that eating a BigMac makes you fat. And McDonalds doesn't want that.

I mean seriously... If McDonalds was worried about the Jack In The Box joke about Anus (Angus) Hamburgers hurting their sales... That alone speaks volumes about the intelligence of their average customer.