Prolife Or Prochoice
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cno64
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I agree. Though I do not condone abortion, I am all for a woman having the right to choose whether or not she engages in sex.
If she's not given that choice, it's called rape, and it's a matter for the law.
If a woman were to become pregnant as a result of sexual assault, I couldn't really blame her for considering abortion, but I think it would be far better if she went the adoption route, because then that individual who is just starting life would be spared, and someone who wants a baby very badly could have one.
Easy for non-pregnant me to say, of course.
Originally Posted by SkylarV217
But when you have sex you are opening yourself up to many consequences. I know that when you have unprotected sex and get pregnant you made a choice. making that choice with the knowledge of what can come from you actions makes you responsible for the consequences. To be honest a good percentage of us are extremely lucky our mother wasn't prochoice. |
I agree. Though I do not condone abortion, I am all for a woman having the right to choose whether or not she engages in sex.
If she's not given that choice, it's called rape, and it's a matter for the law.
If a woman were to become pregnant as a result of sexual assault, I couldn't really blame her for considering abortion, but I think it would be far better if she went the adoption route, because then that individual who is just starting life would be spared, and someone who wants a baby very badly could have one.
Easy for non-pregnant me to say, of course.
stronqerx
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Oh i am sorry, i really don't debate these topics. Your explaination is exactly how i feel, i'm just not really on point with the terms. I didn't mean to irk you
| Originally Posted by MissChievous
That means you're actually prochoice. It irks me somehow that people always mix up the definitions. Pro-choice does not mean you support or would opt for an abortion yourself. It means that the decision of whether or not to abort remains with the biological mother, not the state, and that abortions are legally available to those who choose to do it. It does not mean you would ever have an abortion yourself. |
Oh i am sorry, i really don't debate these topics. Your explaination is exactly how i feel, i'm just not really on point with the terms. I didn't mean to irk you
Beauty Mark
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There are plenty of children up for adoption right now. A lot them will probably stay in foster care until they're 18. Some people turn out fine in foster care, many do not. I am a proponent of people adopting children, but simply suggesting that adoption is a far better choice than abortion isn't that ideal.
This isn't even getting into the mother having a 9-month reminder she was assaulted, having to pay for that reminder, and having to deal with the public. If you're raped and you want to have the child, you totally should, but I strongly believe that you should be able to make that decision without others judging. I just don't believe in continually punishing someone in those situations.
| Originally Posted by cno64
I agree. Though I do not condone abortion, I am all for a woman having the right to choose whether or not she engages in sex. If she's not given that choice, it's called rape, and it's a matter for the law. If a woman were to become pregnant as a result of sexual assault, I couldn't really blame her for considering abortion, but I think it would be far better if she went the adoption route, because then that individual who is just starting life would be spared, and someone who wants a baby very badly could have one. Easy for non-pregnant me to say, of course.
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There are plenty of children up for adoption right now. A lot them will probably stay in foster care until they're 18. Some people turn out fine in foster care, many do not. I am a proponent of people adopting children, but simply suggesting that adoption is a far better choice than abortion isn't that ideal.
This isn't even getting into the mother having a 9-month reminder she was assaulted, having to pay for that reminder, and having to deal with the public. If you're raped and you want to have the child, you totally should, but I strongly believe that you should be able to make that decision without others judging. I just don't believe in continually punishing someone in those situations.
X4biddenxLustX
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I'm prochoice. YOUR body. YOUR life. YOUR decision.
Makeupaddict88
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I'm pro-choice. I actually did a research paper on this subject last semester for my college sociology class and it ended up being 10 pages with a 100% grade. I think it's a subject that will never be agreed upon, no matter what.
X4biddenxLustX
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Thats true, its just something that not everyone will agree with. So I leave it up to people to do whatever they want to do or feel like they should do in that situation. I don't judge.
| Originally Posted by Makeupaddict88
I'm pro-choice. I actually did a research paper on this subject last semester for my college sociology class and it ended up being 10 pages with a 100% grade. I think it's a subject that will never be agreed upon, no matter what. |
Thats true, its just something that not everyone will agree with. So I leave it up to people to do whatever they want to do or feel like they should do in that situation. I don't judge.
Makeupaddict88
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Me either. I don't look "down upon" people who are pro-life. It's what they think and pro-choice is what I think. I don't hate them for what they think. I know some people get really upset about the whole abortion discussion.
| Originally Posted by X4biddenxLustX
Thats true, its just something that not everyone will agree with. So I leave it up to people to do whatever they want to do or feel like they should do in that situation. I don't judge. |
Me either. I don't look "down upon" people who are pro-life. It's what they think and pro-choice is what I think. I don't hate them for what they think. I know some people get really upset about the whole abortion discussion.
Dahlia_Rayn
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I think the whole abortion discussion is something worth getting upset over actually, no offense. I don't dislike people who have a view different from mine, but it's good to keep the topic on the table and people thinking about it! The second we become apathetic is the second that laws are passed that can severely effect our rights as women.
blindpassion
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Getting upset about something and keeping the discussion on the table are two different things, though.
Level headed discussion is the only way progress is made. Being upset about the issue just heats the debate in a negative way.
| Originally Posted by Dahlia_Rayn
I think the whole abortion discussion is something worth getting upset over actually, no offense. I don't dislike people who have a view different from mine, but it's good to keep the topic on the table and people thinking about it! The second we become apathetic is the second that laws are passed that can severely effect our rights as women. |
Getting upset about something and keeping the discussion on the table are two different things, though.
Level headed discussion is the only way progress is made. Being upset about the issue just heats the debate in a negative way.
Makeupaddict88
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I agree. Getting upset over something isn't going to change people's views, it's only going to heighten the situation.
Dahlia_Rayn
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Upset was probably the wrong word, keeping it on the table is definitely something different. I didn't mean to be harsh!
X4biddenxLustX
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Me either. I give them the CHOICE to decide for themselves what they believe and feel is right and what they choose to do with their lives and bodies.
This may be a bit off topic but: I was going to planned parenthood for my yearly exam and birth control and there were several people outside protesting. It was a pretty peaceful protest minus the pictures they had on their signs. They weren't shouting out anything or making any noise. But the old woman approached me and gave me a pamphlet on why abortion is wrong and what it'll do to my body and tried to persuade me to not go through with the abortion. I was just like uhhhh, okay...because I was just going for an exam and birth control not an abortion. I took the pamphlet and just went inside the building. I read some of it and the information was very biased. But hey if that's what they believe is right then so be it. I was lucky I wasn't harassed or anything as I've seen that happen on tv documentaries on this subject whenever a girl is visiting a clinic. Now that is VERY wrong. Please don't try to change my views with force or intimidation. I respect your beliefs, please respect mines.
I guess I dislike the misconception also that just because a girl decides to visit a clinic that people will automatically assume she's going in for an abortion when there could be so many more reasons why she's there.
Now I just hope I don't get rocks thrown at me for posting that lol.
| Originally Posted by Makeupaddict88
Me either. I don't look "down upon" people who are pro-life. It's what they think and pro-choice is what I think. I don't hate them for what they think. I know some people get really upset about the whole abortion discussion. |
Me either. I give them the CHOICE to decide for themselves what they believe and feel is right and what they choose to do with their lives and bodies.
This may be a bit off topic but: I was going to planned parenthood for my yearly exam and birth control and there were several people outside protesting. It was a pretty peaceful protest minus the pictures they had on their signs. They weren't shouting out anything or making any noise. But the old woman approached me and gave me a pamphlet on why abortion is wrong and what it'll do to my body and tried to persuade me to not go through with the abortion. I was just like uhhhh, okay...because I was just going for an exam and birth control not an abortion. I took the pamphlet and just went inside the building. I read some of it and the information was very biased. But hey if that's what they believe is right then so be it. I was lucky I wasn't harassed or anything as I've seen that happen on tv documentaries on this subject whenever a girl is visiting a clinic. Now that is VERY wrong. Please don't try to change my views with force or intimidation. I respect your beliefs, please respect mines.
I guess I dislike the misconception also that just because a girl decides to visit a clinic that people will automatically assume she's going in for an abortion when there could be so many more reasons why she's there.
Now I just hope I don't get rocks thrown at me for posting that lol.
Makeupaddict88
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O it's ok. I don't think you were being harsh AT all, you were just stating what you felt. No harm in that!
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I've seen these things happen. Thank god where my PPH is, there aren't many protestors. I've heard of people almost getting trampled while trying to get in buildings though! Everytime I hear the word abortion I think of the song by Pearl Jam called What it's like. They have a verse dedicated to abortion. I agree though, half the time girls are just going to pick up their birth control, and they have people screaming at them.
| Originally Posted by Dahlia_Rayn
Upset was probably the wrong word, keeping it on the table is definitely something different. I didn't mean to be harsh! |
O it's ok. I don't think you were being harsh AT all, you were just stating what you felt. No harm in that!
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| Originally Posted by X4biddenxLustX
Me either. I give them the CHOICE to decide for themselves what they believe and feel is right and what they choose to do with their lives and bodies. This may be a bit off topic but: I was going to planned parenthood for my yearly exam and birth control and there were several people outside protesting. It was a pretty peaceful protest minus the pictures they had on their signs. They weren't shouting out anything or making any noise. But the old woman approached me and gave me a pamphlet on why abortion is wrong and what it'll do to my body and tried to persuade me to not go through with the abortion. I was just like uhhhh, okay...because I was just going for an exam and birth control not an abortion. I took the pamphlet and just went inside the building. I read some of it and the information was very biased. But hey if that's what they believe is right then so be it. I was lucky I wasn't harassed or anything as I've seen that happen on tv documentaries on this subject whenever a girl is visiting a clinic. Now that is VERY wrong. Please don't try to change my views with force or intimidation. I respect your beliefs, please respect mines. I guess I dislike the misconception also that just because a girl decides to visit a clinic that people will automatically assume she's going in for an abortion when there could be so many more reasons why she's there. Now I just hope I don't get rocks thrown at me for posting that lol. |
I've seen these things happen. Thank god where my PPH is, there aren't many protestors. I've heard of people almost getting trampled while trying to get in buildings though! Everytime I hear the word abortion I think of the song by Pearl Jam called What it's like. They have a verse dedicated to abortion. I agree though, half the time girls are just going to pick up their birth control, and they have people screaming at them.
Dahlia_Rayn
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To some of those people even birth control is considered "abortion".
lara
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I haven't read through the thread as I've made an active choice to limit the amount of trainwrecks I encounter on a daily basis, but I genuinely hope someone has pointed out that the accurate terminology for this poll should have been pro-choice and anti-choice.
This discussion is loaded as it is without adding emotionally-stacked inaccurate phrasing into the mix.
This discussion is loaded as it is without adding emotionally-stacked inaccurate phrasing into the mix.
X4biddenxLustX
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Makeupaddict88: I'm lucky too that there's usually only like 4 people outside and they are pretty "peaceful" They just hold their signs up, pass out their pamphlets and try to talk to the girls who are trying to enter the PPH building. I've heard of it getting pretty violent and bad sometimes though.
Dahlia_Rayn: What you said makes me think of the whole Plan B issue where some woman have been denied it because of the pharmacist's personal beliefs. At that time and I don't know if its still allowed but that was legal. It just doesn't make sense if someone is a pharmacist they would know that it is not a drug that induces abortions, but rather prevents them from happening in the first place which isn't an abortion.
And please again don't throw stones at me, but you can't "kill" what didn't exist in the first place. I don't say that to sound harsh or rude or whatever but its just what I think and believe.
Dahlia_Rayn: What you said makes me think of the whole Plan B issue where some woman have been denied it because of the pharmacist's personal beliefs. At that time and I don't know if its still allowed but that was legal. It just doesn't make sense if someone is a pharmacist they would know that it is not a drug that induces abortions, but rather prevents them from happening in the first place which isn't an abortion.
And please again don't throw stones at me, but you can't "kill" what didn't exist in the first place. I don't say that to sound harsh or rude or whatever but its just what I think and believe.
Makeupaddict88
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I was actually going to say the same thing. I think also in some cases if you take birth control, you are "sinning"
| Originally Posted by Dahlia_Rayn
To some of those people even birth control is considered "abortion". |
I was actually going to say the same thing. I think also in some cases if you take birth control, you are "sinning"
