Prolife Or Prochoice

[SkylarV217]

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Originally Posted by Hilly I just completed Catholic marriage preparation. Holy heck, we had a session on Natural Family Planning. When the church has people coming in and telling you that birth control is like having an abortion, people's views become distorted, disillusioned. Hmmmm.... (Clearly I am not a "hardcore" Catholic for I do not believe in the birth control stance)

you mean you don't want 10 kinds ..... I'm curious, what is Natural family planning, does it work around ovulation or is it abstinence

 

[Hilly]

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Originally Posted by SkylarV217 you mean you don't want 10 kinds ..... I'm curious, what is Natural family planning, does it work around ovulation or is it abstinence

According to what they said, it's basically the calendar method follwoing your monthly cycle of ovulation. They said it was 100% accurate. I love how it totally doesnt take in account that women's bods aren't the most calendar friendly and run on lil things called hormones that go outta whack for any kind of reason (stress, sick, etc). I believe in Quality of life, not quantity of how many kids I can pop out.

 

[SkylarV217]

=) They have a new ovulation checker kit that comes with a ton of testers .... If that was my religion and i was hard core I would have several boxes of those suckers and every time the mood hit I'd have to go take a test...

 

[Hilly]

LOL...I know what you mean. The people that came and spoke to us were really young and had 5 kids under 5.

I am certainly not hating about the Catholic way, my views just differ.

 

[SkylarV217]

I defiantly feel that birthcontrol is so important and a women should plan and only have the amount of children that she wants.... Not necessarily how ever many she ends up with. I keep thinking about that lady that got way deep in some religion that insisted on having as many kids as possible ... and then she drown all 5 .... Thats terrible .... But Personally i feel that abortions are just as terrible a lose.

 

[S.S.BlackOrchid]

*poof*

 

[ratmist]

It's no one's business but the woman's. I wish women were more supportive of each other rather than being fired up ready to judge.

I wouldn't presume to judge another woman for what has to be a very difficult decision. I've held the hand of a dear friend who had an abortion, walked her to the clinic, helped her get home.

It is more important to be compassionate than to feel like you're right all the damned time. But I guess that's just not as fun, right?

 

[purrtykitty]

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Originally Posted by Hilly According to what they said, it's basically the calendar method follwoing your monthly cycle of ovulation. They said it was 100% accurate. I love how it totally doesnt take in account that women's bods aren't the most calendar friendly and run on lil things called hormones that go outta whack for any kind of reason (stress, sick, etc). I believe in Quality of life, not quantity of how many kids I can pop out.

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Originally Posted by Hilly LOL...I know what you mean. The people that came and spoke to us were really young and had 5 kids under 5. I am certainly not hating about the Catholic way, my views just differ.

Oh yes, 100% accurate! And those people who had 5 kids under 5 planned it that way.

Good for them for wanting to single-handedly populate the earth, but don't claim something is 100% accurate when it's clearly not. The Catholic Church is just so antiquated in some of its beliefs.

 

[stacylynne]

I'm pro choice 100%. I don't think anyone has the right to say what a woman should do or not do with her own body. I'm also a strong avocate of contriception. Although, I don't think abortion should be a form of birth control. I can't stand when I hear a woman had 7 abortions. Wear a condom

I never had an abortion. I practice safe sex.

If anyone is having sex or sexually active, you should be mature enough to talk about protection.

If they make abortion illegal, teenage suicide will sky rocket. More parents should educate their children on sex & what can happen...

I also think more men are against abortion than woman. If there was a law on castration, I'm sure more woman would be on board than men.

I think this is a personal choice & no one has the right to tell you if you are right or wrong...

 

[frankenstain]

I accidentally click "prolife" I'm really prochoice.

 

[frocher]

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[CaseyKezerian]

I don't understand the statement "no one has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body" what about that baby? Why is it okay for her to kill an innocent baby because it's just not the right time for her. What if that baby were already born and she decided it was too hard to raise it and she was just going to kill it, why is it murder then but it's perfectly okay when they are still a fetus? It is still a human being and just because the mother hasn't given birth to it yet I don't think it's okay for her to kill it. Just think what if any of your mothers decided it wasn't a good time when she was pregnant with you, would you be willing to give up your life so hers could be a little easier? If you don't want the baby there are tons of people who would happily adopt that baby, people who can't have children of their own. If you didn't want to deal with the social stigma that comes with it, you shouldn't be having sex.

 

[blindpassion]

Everyone should get a choice.
Their body, their choice, their lives, their responsibility, their health.

I value anyone who is pro-choice, because they believe, understand, and accept their choices AS WELL as everyone elses (even if its not what they would have done).

 

[carrieann07]

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Originally Posted by CaseyKezerian I don't understand the statement "no one has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body" what about that baby? Why is it okay for her to kill an innocent baby because it's just not the right time for her. What if that baby were already born and she decided it was too hard to raise it and she was just going to kill it, why is it murder then but it's perfectly okay when they are still a fetus? It is still a human being and just because the mother hasn't given birth to it yet I don't think it's okay for her to kill it. Just think what if any of your mothers decided it wasn't a good time when she was pregnant with you, would you be willing to give up your life so hers could be a little easier? If you don't want the baby there are tons of people who would happily adopt that baby, people who can't have children of their own. If you didn't want to deal with the social stigma that comes with it, you shouldn't be having sex.

That is true, but there is by no means a shortage of children that are looking to be adopted. One major problem ( I by no means am saying that everyone looking to adopt is this way) is that people want infants and toddlers. I had a summer job at a case worker's office. There are way to may children age 5 -12 that are being shuffled from foster home to foster home and back to the "orphanage".

Due to many Ovarian Cysts through my teenage years, I have a build up of scar tissue. It's very unlikely that I'll ever be able to conceive. Still I am Prochoice.

Plus I would sacrifice myself for any of my family, if that meant not having me would've made my mother's life easier/better, than so be it.

 

[SkylarV217]

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Originally Posted by carrieann07 Plus I would sacrifice myself for any of my family, if that meant not having me would've made my mother's life easier/better, than so be it.

I have a hard time believing you would be okay with your mother choosing to abort you simply so she could go on with her life as normal or not having to worry about a baby at the moment.

 

[carrieann07]

As a matter of fact I would

My parents were married for 12 yrs, telling everyone they would never have children (partially due to med. reasons)

My mother thought I was an ulcer and found out she was pregnant in Jan. I was born in March(2 weeks before full term).

Whose to say if she would've found out earlier if she would have had an abortion due to the risks, the fact that I could've seriously injured or killed my mother being born, then yes, I actually would rather her go ahead and aborted.

 

[SkylarV217]

Your extremely generous then. My mother had problems with her womb and for some reason had upwards of 10 -12 miscarriages her body fought babies off like infections. When she finally carried me through the first trimester her doctors told her I would be mentally disabled, blind, and likely partially if not fully deaf. They pushed her to have an abortion. She chose not to and I am glad for that fact. I was born 10 1/2 weeks early and while medical bills were expensive and i was not a healthy baby, I had an monitor for the first 1 and a half.And she was left alone in San Francisco all the way across the country from her family b/c my dad was in the Navy. I ended up with none of the problems the doctor predicted. I was actually above average in all testing. While I have M.S. and several other small problems. My mother's life would have been a lot easier if she had chosen to " Get rid of me" , I am extremely grateful that she was willing to take the chance and a burden.

 

[mreichert]

I know I'm in the minority, but I am pro-life. The only reason I feel a woman should have an abortion is due to rape or physical harm to the mother- both of which are a very small percentage of abortions done.
Yes, I believe that a woman has a right to her body, but she also has the right to have sex or not and to use birth control or not. Birth control is 97% effective at the least, and if a woman gets pregnant, then that is part of the "I knew my odds of getting pregnant when I CHOSE to have sex".

I do agree that there are not enough babies for those waiting to adopt- my husband and I have been told to have to wait at least 1-2 years before we would have a baby to adopt, and we are not choosy at all at the gender, race, or background of that baby. Yes, there are many children waiting to be adopted- I hope to someday adopt several for that very reason.

My main question is how do we decide when a baby becomes a baby and is not just a fetus? Who decides where to draw the line when it is too late to have an abortion- to where it is no longer an abortion, but the termination of a baby's life?

I hope I haven't come across as offensive to anyone, as I know I'm in the minority. But, it is my beliefs- take it for what it is.... And, I hope to not get into a debate about it, as it is a very touchy subject for me. Thanks for understanding

 

[Dahlia_Rayn]

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Originally Posted by CaseyKezerian I don't understand the statement "no one has the right to tell a woman what to do with her body" what about that baby? Why is it okay for her to kill an innocent baby because it's just not the right time for her. What if that baby were already born and she decided it was too hard to raise it and she was just going to kill it, why is it murder then but it's perfectly okay when they are still a fetus? It is still a human being and just because the mother hasn't given birth to it yet I don't think it's okay for her to kill it. Just think what if any of your mothers decided it wasn't a good time when she was pregnant with you, would you be willing to give up your life so hers could be a little easier? If you don't want the baby there are tons of people who would happily adopt that baby, people who can't have children of their own. If you didn't want to deal with the social stigma that comes with it, you shouldn't be having sex.

Well again, we enter the territory of when a baby becomes a baby! When does a clump of cells equal a human being? It's a fact that many fetuses are aborted naturally during the first trimester. There are tons of people who are willing to adopt babies...but why aren't there more people willing to adopt children? There are inherent flaws with every system, even adoption. Again I keep coming back to the argument that outlawing abortion creates more problems then it solves, especially if caveats are put on who "may" have abortions, what steps will women have to take when they're raped and become pregnant, will it have to be a case that makes it to conviction? How many women will have to die at the hands of an unskilled monster trying to make a few bucks from them because they're scared and afraid to become a mother?

P.S. My husband would be really really pissed at me if I decided I didn't want to have sex anymore because I was afraid of being pregnant. Social stigma be damned, I know sex isn't just for procreation! I also can't take hormonal birth control because of migraines, and being pregnant may completely screw up my hormones to the point that I could be at risk for constant migraine or even migrainous stroke. We do our best to prevent pregnancy, but not every method is 100% accurate! By the way, there are lots of women like me, women who can't take hormones, who are married or in committed relationships, but don't want to be moms.

 

[GreekChick]

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Originally Posted by SkylarV217 I have a hard time believing you would be okay with your mother choosing to abort you simply so she could go on with her life as normal or not having to worry about a baby at the moment.

Shit happens. Condoms break. Pills work 99% of the time.
A young 15 year old who accidentally becomes pregnant has to throw away a possible career and her entire future, raise the child on her own, all because someone somewhere decided women should just live with that consequence?
I agree with ratmist, it's time women supported eachother. We already have men deciding what we should do with our bodies, how we should take charge of our future. Why can't we, as women, be more understanding of one another?

Just because you chose not to have an abortion, just because it didn't affect you in a negative way, doesn't mean other women should feel obliged to do the same.