Race Issues

[spencoh]

oh man id be so frustrated if that happened to me

my family is made up of hispanics, jews, and blacks, and i have to put up with racist/prejudice people every day.

every time i tell someone im jewish they look at me like im crazy, and half the time the first thing out of their mouth is "wow youve got a small nose though!"

some people dont even realize when they are being racist, its really insane

i wish everyone could judge people by what they do and not by what they look like...

but until then you just have to ignore it i guess

 

[quandolak]

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[Indigowaters]

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Originally Posted by quandolak Please dont try and make yourself a victim just because of others stupidity. They should be the vicitm of it , Not others. Im not a *non ethnic * person . Im white as snow but im not considered *white* i have south american indian wide face and palestinian in me and i wear a hijab belive me im more that slightly aware of people ignoring racial issues and telling people to get over it. I get so much racial and religious rubbish mainly from one race its ridiculous. I dont however need to make assumptions about that races MA's due to a few peoples stupidity. I am also aware of us *ethnics* playing up situations and wanting to be a victim. Im and *ethnic * person telling other *ethnics* to get over wanting to see every bad situation as a direct result of their race. Im not trying to downplay anything. I have no wish though to convince myself that every person wrongfully served before me is only getting that treatment due to race.

Then that’s your problem. But don’t try to downplay the situation either. Are you going to downplay the situation she went through too? Either way (regardless of color), it’s wrong. And I never made myself the victim in any situation. That’s why I stayed humble and patient.

But I am not going to ignore poor treatment because of the color of my skin either. I choose not to confront everyone because of it, and if you read clearly I stayed and purchased items from that counter after being skipped. However, I am not going to walk around with blinders on my eyes and pretend that everything is peachy keen either.

 

[quandolak]

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[Indigowaters]

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Originally Posted by quandolak I never downplayed her situation. But she was in a case where her customers had this mentality that they had to be served by someone of the same race. These customers probably had that victim frame of mind that * oh that white girl cant/wont help me*..its a common view of white people from an ethnic point of view. There is no denying it. May i also ask how do you know that this MA let this *regular* infront of you because she was the same race as her?... Many people do ..whether its right or wrong let regulars push in, just because they are regulars.

How do they have a victim mentality of racism if they're being accused of the act of racism? Choose one or the other. I notice you tend to excuse everyone's behavior unless they are ethnic, even though you say you yourself are ethnic. The reason I know the MA did this was because she was working on someone's face at the time whom she also skipped, who happened to be African-American. I am also a regular at the counter (even though she doesn't know) and have been served by wonderful MAs (who happen to be caucasian). I don't let one person's actions ruin me on a whole race, but I'm not going to excuse their behavior either when it cleary is what it is, whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[MxAxC-_ATTACK]

Ive noticed several people agree that it was not an act of Racism, or Predjudice, but instead "Experience"
If the Situation was reversed, and A white woman went up to a Makeup counter, and refused service from a african American, would it still be considered experience?

 

[quandolak]

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[Indigowaters]

I am going to cease my side of the discussion on this topic as I feel that I am more arguing my case (which I don't have to). In the beginning I believe I stated that I too think this was a situation she encountered because of the distrust of her customers and I did not excuse their behavior. The thread was titled "Race Issues" however, and this discussion has gone from situation to racism, which I don't believe she called it. I was merely giving my viewpoint to help others understand, not argue about who's right and who's wrong.

 

[quandolak]

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[quandolak]

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[Beauty Mark]

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its a common view of white people from an ethnic point of view. There is no denying it.

In my experience, it's only a handful of non-white people who view white people negatively for being white. It's also a handful of white people who view non-white people negatively. The overwhelming majority don't care what color you are.

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would say someone can feel they are a victim of racism and therfore go on auto-pilot and assume that they will be treated badly by a certain race..then cos of those assumptions treat the other race bad..then making both sides a victim.

I *think* I understand what you're saying, and I've seen it happen before, but in a different way. I've had some ethnic friends assume that they're being reprimanded at work for being ethnic, but when you hear the entire story, they're being reprimanded for being incompetant (showing up late, unprepared, etc.) They base the assumption upon being criticized and such by white people because of their race (which has genuinely happened) vs. looking at what they did wrong. They were victims of racism at one point, but in this situation, they are not.

 

[Indigowaters]

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Originally Posted by quandolak I mentioned racism in my last post because you asked me how someone can be a victim and be racist at the same time. I dunno why you asked if you didnt want to hear about racism. Anyway i think its possible to be both a victim and a racist.

Ok, the only reason I will respond is because I feel my words are being taken out of context. But honey, you seem to be a bit confused. I asked the question because that's what you stated. And I never said I didn't want to hear about racism, but merely wanted to stay on topic because you seem to be going in alot of different directions.

 

[Hawkeye]

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters I am going to cease my side of the discussion on this topic as I feel that I am more arguing my case (which I don't have to). In the beginning I believe I stated that I too think this was a situation she encountered because of the distrust of her customers and I did not excuse their behavior. The thread was titled "Race Issues" however, and this discussion has gone from situation to racism, which I don't believe she called it. I was merely giving my viewpoint to help others understand, not argue about who's right and who's wrong.

Indigo-seriously every post I read that you make I respect you more and more. You are absolutely right.

I have to agree with a previous poster that I too can feel the tension mounting up to where we will be able to cut through it like a knife. I have to agree that this post isn't about who is right and who is wrong but more about
1) how to deal with an issue like this
2) a different perspective on how we can see how others may view what we percieve as racism.
3) to help ALL cultures, and all backgrounds and all races to see how we can maybe improve

This is a topic that nobody can say: I am right and you wrong. The moment someone says that you automatically know that they have no interest in learning other perspectives or in improving themselves to make themselves better if they ever come across this situation.

 

[user79]

I just don't understand what would lead someone to conclude that a person of a different colour skin would not be able to match a propper foundation to them.

Please. It's makeup, not rocket science! I would put as much trust in a black or Hispanic or whatever race MA as I would in a white MA, I just don't see how it makes any difference at all. It's matching a skintone, it can't be that hard.

 

[Indigowaters]

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Originally Posted by MissChievous I just don't understand what would lead someone to conclude that a person of a different colour skin would not be able to match a propper foundation to them. Please. It's makeup, not rocket science! I would put as much trust in a black or Hispanic or whatever race MA as I would in a white MA, I just don't see how it makes any difference at all. It's matching a skintone, it can't be that hard.

Exactly. I took my mom to the MAC store and this guy (who I believe was of Asian descent) match my mother perfectly. But I only knew that he could because I knew about MAC. There are certain stigmas we in America have about other races which are based in fear. If we take the time to learn about each other and our differences and why we think the way we do, we could be of more help to each other without all of the confusion.

Speaking of which, has anyone watched the Dr. Phil show concerning stereotypes? Maybe, that should be posted in another thread

 

[quandolak]

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[MisStarrlight]

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Originally Posted by Indigowaters I am going to cease my side of the discussion on this topic as I feel that I am more arguing my case (which I don't have to). In the beginning I believe I stated that I too think this was a situation she encountered because of the distrust of her customers and I did not excuse their behavior. The thread was titled "Race Issues" however, and this discussion has gone from situation to racism, which I don't believe she called it. I was merely giving my viewpoint to help others understand, not argue about who's right and who's wrong.

Exactly. I specifically did not use the word "racism" or "racist" simply because it is such a tender subject that I really know nothing about. I, myself, make a great effort not to do things that could be considered racist. That's just not the type of person I am (like I said before, I grew up in the middle of nowhere & crave diversity).

So, yes, I'm chalking it up to ignorance & counting it as an experience...I don't know what type of day these ladies had. Maybe they got into a fight in the parking lot with someone white or had a bad experience a few months back...or the day before, or the year before. Stuff like that you just don't forget, but I figured I'd post anyway...exactly for the reasons that Youbeabitch outlined...and just to get some feedback because that day it was just outta control and really got to me (yes, made me cry-cause I'm a baby like that).

 

[Pei]

Another possibility is EXPERIENCE.

The MAs with darker skin tones might know which colours or tones suits them better as they have more experience.

Like,IMO, for asians, greens look better on us instead of reds, this is due to MY trial and error. I have more experience in determining the colours as compared to other ppl with diff skin tone.

Man, my English sucks. Anyone understands me? =D
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Mistarrlight:
U might want to let ur potential customers know that u had worked with several darker skin tone ppl. Try to assure them, ask them to give u a chance and if they really don't like what u had chosen, feel free to approach other MAs.

I think that those cases are not entirely due to racial discriminations.
Don't be too upset by them.
It's human beings. The lack of certainty & confidence.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark I've had some ethnic friends assume that they're being reprimanded at work for being ethnic, but when you hear the entire story, they're being reprimanded for being incompetant (showing up late, unprepared, etc.) They base the assumption upon being criticized and such by white people because of their race (which has genuinely happened) vs. looking at what they did wrong. They were victims of racism at one point, but in this situation, they are not.

I totally agree with the above. I think all sides abuse the race card as an easy scapegoat, rather than dealing with the real issue.

Whats ethnic anyways? Were all ethnic.