Ricky Martin flips off president..

[glamdoll]

"Um last time I checked I didn't start an attack on her, she started one with me. She called me out and then went on to say things about how my religion recruits people to become bombs. All offensive stereotypes. Then she goes on thinking that she's making me shake in my boots because she thinks she has power over me.

When you were in Iraq and you had people saying horrible things to you everyday and hating you and not wanting you to be there and telling you to leave the country didn't it make you hate being there?! Why do you think I hate being in this country?!

I didn't say I hate this country and everyone in it and I want horrible things to happen to this country. I just hate living here, it's not for me. Being a Muslim and an Arab who is very proud of those two identities, this is not the place for me to be. Like I said to her before, if anyone wants me to leave America before I'm done with school just pay my flight, housing, and tuition overseas and I'm out of here."

here you did say u hate living here..
and u said that ur mom came to play soccer on a scholarship..
so thats once again our tax dollars to pay for your moms education..

you contradict your self too much..

but I still stand by the fact that a religious leader and a political leader are not the same..

I think what shimmer was saying is that the way you say
"so ricky martin flipped off bush and what?"

is exactly the same thing to someone saying
" so muhammed go drawn w a bomb on his head and wat? its just a cartoon?"

they are both leaders for a reason,
and the fact that you dismissed the feelings of those who do support bush,
opened up for space for dismissing those who support muhammad..

just like they attacked and harrased that one bald lady for rippin up a picture of the pope..
she opend the door .. and so did u..

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Raerae Actually... Most people can understand the value of an Analogy when trying to show someone their opinion or value. Since you dont understand X, I'll show you how Y (which you do understand) is similar to X. This way you can understand X. Many people in America see the President as JUST as important a figure, as you see your Prophet. Your prophet is the leader of the Islamic Religion. GWB is the current leader of the free world. Just because YOU dont think he's as Important, doesn't mean others do. I dont personally think your Prophet is important (I think most organized religion is silly). Just because I dont believe he's as important, doesn't mean you value his importance any less. You may not respect the Man, but you SHOULD respect the office. So while you say it's no big deal Ricky gave GWB the finger, many American's DO think it's a big deal. So to better help you understand WHY they feel it's important (since you dont understand that), she drew an analogy to someone you hold a great deal of respect for. To SHIMMER (and others) giving GWB the finger is JUST AS DISRESPECTFUL, as you feel drawing a cartoon of the Prophet is. Thats ALL she said. You then started to protest, when their was really nothing to protest at all. Typical.

Ok but I never said it wasn't important, I said to me it wasn't as important. I said I hold a religious figure higher then a politicial one. I didn't say that's how everyone else thinks. I didn't say that's how everyone else should think. I said that's what I THINK!

I don't see those two as the samething. I understand people view Bush highly and that's fine. To each his own. But everyone's trying so hard for me to think it's just as important when I just don't. I never will. But I also never denied that it's very important to anyone. I said I didn't think it was a big deal and I still don't because it's not a big deal to ME!

 

[Shimmer]

I *really* didn't think the analogy was that confusing.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by glamdoll "Um last time I checked I didn't start an attack on her, she started one with me. She called me out and then went on to say things about how my religion recruits people to become bombs. All offensive stereotypes. Then she goes on thinking that she's making me shake in my boots because she thinks she has power over me. When you were in Iraq and you had people saying horrible things to you everyday and hating you and not wanting you to be there and telling you to leave the country didn't it make you hate being there?! Why do you think I hate being in this country?! I didn't say I hate this country and everyone in it and I want horrible things to happen to this country. I just hate living here, it's not for me. Being a Muslim and an Arab who is very proud of those two identities, this is not the place for me to be. Like I said to her before, if anyone wants me to leave America before I'm done with school just pay my flight, housing, and tuition overseas and I'm out of here." here you did say u hate living here.. and u said that ur mom came to play soccer on a scholarship.. so thats once again our tax dollars to pay for your moms education.. you contradict your self too much.. but I still stand by the fact that a religious leader and a political leader are not the same.. I think what shimmer was saying is that the way you say "so ricky martin flipped off bush and what?" is exactly the same thing to someone saying " so muhammed go drawn w a bomb on his head and wat? its just a cartoon?" they are both leaders for a reason, and the fact that you dismissed the feelings of those who do support bush, opened up for space for dismissing those who support muhammad.. just like they attacked and harrased that one bald lady for rippin up a picture of the pope.. she opend the door .. and so did u..

I DIDN'T DENY I HATE LIVING HERE!!!!!!!

I gave my reasons for why I hate living here if you can't put two and two together that's your problem.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer I *really* didn't think the analogy was that confusing.

It wasn't ... but it isn't the same to me.

 

[glamdoll]

Amoona you didnt say "GWB isnt important" directly..
but neither did Shimmer

shimmer just said its like saying.."the drawing was no biggie"

its just the same..

you dint say it directly neither did she..
u misunderstood her example.. and the whole
thread blew up..

but like I said..

call it even

 

[amoona]

And glamdoll for the millionth time I never said that it's not important to other's I said it's not important to me.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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and I totally respect the fact that people have their own opinions, because I have them too.. but ricky is NOT a bad person for what he did.. i DID NOT say that what he did was right.. but that doesn't make him a bad person..

I don't think he's a bad person. I find his actions mostly immature, but he hasn't killed anyone or convinced anyone to do that.

I don't think he's hot, but he put out some catchy music and he could dance. That's all I ask for out of a pop star.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by amoona Ok but I never said it wasn't important, I said to me it wasn't as important. I said I hold a religious figure higher then a politicial one. I didn't say that's how everyone else thinks. I didn't say that's how everyone else should think. I said that's what I THINK! I don't see those two as the samething. I understand people view Bush highly and that's fine. To each his own. But everyone's trying so hard for me to think it's just as important when I just don't. I never will. But I also never denied that it's very important to anyone. I said I didn't think it was a big deal and I still don't because it's not a big deal to ME!

erm...

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Originally Posted by amoona Um idk why you're bringing that up because that's a totally different issue. That was something done to disrespect a religion and people who hold a certain religious belief. I could understand if Ricky Martin was disrespecting a Jewish or Christian leader. He was flipping off Bush that's why I personally don't see it as a big deal. A majority of US citizens have something negative to say about Bush. If you'd like to bring up the cartoons we can go into a whole different discussion. It's not the samething.

Amoona... Just say it with me, "OOPS! My bad! I misunderstood!"

This never had anything to do with cartoons.

Some of us hold political leaders higher than religious ones.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by glamdoll Amoona you didnt say "GWB isnt important" directly.. but neither did Shimmer shimmer just said its like saying.."the drawing was no biggie" its just the same.. you dint say it directly neither did she.. u misunderstood her example.. and the whole thread blew up.. but like I said.. call it even

I said Bush is not important to me. I understand the drawing is not important to Shimmer. She brought it up, I said it wasn't the same and she doesnt want to accept that I don't think it's the same.

 

[Shimmer]

Good freaking grief.
It is the same.
Person A is an important figure who represents a lot to do with the lifestyle of millions of people. Person X flipped Person A off.
People who consider person A important are offended.

Person B is an important figure who represents a lot to do with the lifestyle of millions of people. Person X flipped Person B off.
People who consider Person B important are offended.

HOW is that any different other than because you're choosing to be inherently stubborn only because you don't want to admit a point????

 

[glamdoll]

Yeah and you also said something about respect..
well in one of janice's post before joining it is said that
writting in big bold capital letters is considered shouting.
and it should not be done.
so now u violated the TOS and if your post get banned
which by u complain alot..
there is your reason..

if you cant handle the conversation without being over heated..
you should not have carried it on

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by amoona I NEVER DISMISSED HIS IMPORTANCE!!!!!!

Actually, that is exactly what you did here:


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Originally Posted by amoona So because he's the president of your country he should be treated in the same light as a major religions prophet?! I'm not even going to continue with this thread because obviously someones trying to start something with me like always. Either way I'd be censored like I usually am if I even try to get into it. Last time I'm going to say is that no its not the samething. Bush is not a religious figure for one of the largest religions in the world. Ricky Martin is jus a singer flipping of an idiot. When people start worshipping Bush as a religious figure and follow a religion he is a prophet of then it'll be a similar situation.

 

[amoona]

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Originally Posted by Raerae erm... Amoona... Just say it with me, "OOPS! My bad! I misunderstood!" This never had anything to do with cartoons. Some of us hold political leaders higher than religious ones.

I didn't misunderstand though, I understand. Everyone seems to think that I'm denying them their right to hold Bush highly. I don't care if you hold him highly, go for it. I don't hold a political figure as high as a religious one so I don't think Shimmer bringing up the cartoon had anything to do with this thread. She does, I don't ... she wants me to understand that it is the same but to me its not and it never will be.

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by glamdoll so now u violated the TOS and if your post get banned which by u complain alot.. there is your reason..

Of course its not the reason. Its because she's Muslim. Duh.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by amoona I said Bush is not important to me. I understand the drawing is not important to Shimmer. She brought it up, I said it wasn't the same and she doesnt want to accept that I don't think it's the same.

And, Muhammed isn't important to me. I've still got those cartoons saved on my external. I'll print out and wear them on my tshirt tomorrow and get angry when other people are offended because seriously, it's just Muhammed, not that big a deal, and LOTS of people have something to say negatively about Muhammed.

 

[glamdoll]

Yes and I am trying to get you to understand for the millionth time that just how this is not important to you but it is to shimmer..

the drawin is not important to her but it is to you...

admitting you were wrong doesnt kill you

 

[*Stargazer*]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer And, Muhammed isn't important to me. I've still got those cartoons saved on my external. I'll print out and wear them on my tshirt tomorrow and get angry when other people are offended because seriously, it's just Muhammed, not that big a deal, and LOTS of people have something to say negatively about Muhammed.

I would pay for a picture of you in that t-shirt.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by amoona I don't see those two as the samething. I understand people view Bush highly and that's fine. To each his own. But everyone's trying so hard for me to think it's just as important when I just don't. I never will. But I also never denied that it's very important to anyone. I said I didn't think it was a big deal and I still don't because it's not a big deal to ME!

Your still missing the point...

No one is saying, you need to see Bush as important as a Religious figure.

There saying, you need to understand that SOME people are just as upset over Ricky giving GWB the finger, as YOU would be if Ricky was singing an Islamic song and a cartoon of the Prophet came up and he put up his middle finger.

This is where you go, "Oh, yeh, I'd be pretty pissed too if I respected Bush that way. I dont personally care that Ricky gave Bush the finger since I dont respect him, but I can TOTALLY understand why you might be upset that he did."

Try it with me again, "Oops! My bad!"

 

[amoona]

Um LadyBug I didn't deny he's important in that comment. I denied he's as important to me as a religious figure. When people worship him as a religious leader I'll give him the same respect as I'd give any religious figure.

And Shimmer ... for the millionth time it's not the same to me!!!! To you it is to me it's not. Why can't you deal with that?! You always claim that I'm trying to make people see my views. You're trying to make me see the same views as you! I don't hold politicial figures as highly as I do religious figures.

I'd never compare someone flipping off Yasser Arafat to the cartoons. To me it's not the same, if you can't accept that then deal with it.