"Skinny Model Ban" in Madrid

[Beauty Mark]

Everything I've read (and this by no means advocating morbid obesity) if you absolutely had to make a decision between being overweight and underweight (significantly, not like a pound), it's actually slightly better to be overweight. It's not healthy to be overweight, of course, but it isn't quite as bad as being anorexic.

Of course, we all really ought to strive to just be healthy.

 

[Shimmer]

the damage done by obesity can be "undone" so to speak with medical intervention, cholesterol lowered, a healthy diet implemented can help unclog arteries, exercise etc. can lower the weight.
The damage done by severe malnutrition to the point of ana/mia is not so easily undone. First there are the mental implications...once one 'recovers' from ana/mia s/he is forever 'recovering' because it's
easy to relapse.
Information on something that is more than just an "illness"
Anorexia is a life threatening condition that can put a serious strain on many of the body's organs and physiological resources. A recent review of the scientific literature outlined a number of reliable findings in this area.[3] Anorexia puts a particular strain on the structure and function of the heart and cardiovascular system, with slow heart rate (bradycardia) and elongation of the QT interval seen early on. People with anorexia typically have a disturbed electrolyte imbalance, particularly low levels of phosphate which has been linked to heart failure, muscle weakness, immune dysfunction, and ultimately, death. Those who develop anorexia before adulthood may suffer stunted growth and subsequent low levels of essential hormones (including sex hormones) and chronically increased cortisol levels. Osteoporosis can also develop as a result of anorexia in 38-50% of cases,[4] as poor nutrition leads to the retarded growth of essential bone structure and low bone mineral density.

Furthermore, changes in brain structure and function are early signs of the condition. Enlargement of the ventricles of the brain is thought to be associated with starvation, and is partially reversed when normal weight is maintained.[5] Anorexia is also linked to reduced blood flow in the temporal lobes, although as this finding does not correlate with current weight, it is possible that it is a risk trait, rather than an effect of starvation.[6]

Physiological effects of Anorexia Nervosa
Endocrine disorder, leading to cessation of periods in girls (amenorrhoea)
Starvation symptoms, such as reduced metabolism, slow heart rate (bradycardia), hypotension, hypothermia and anemia.
Growth of lanugo hair over the body
Abnormalities of mineral and electrolyte levels in the body
Zinc deficiency
Often a reduction in white blood cell count
Reduced immune system function
Body mass index less than 17.5 in adults, or 85% of expected weight in children
Possibly with pallid complexion and sunken eyes
Creaking joints and bones
Collection of fluid in ankles during the day and around eyes during the night
Constipation
Very dry/chapped lips due to malnutrition
Poor circulation, resulting in common attacks of 'pins and needles' and purple extremities
In cases of extreme weight loss, there can be nerve deterioration, leading to difficulty in moving the feet
headaches, due to malnutrition





These are not the women I want 'modeling' a lifestyle for my daughter to see. I don't want my children to see this and think "Holy shit Giselle has EVERYTHING I want to be just like her!!!! Maybe if I'm skinny enough it can happen!" or "Kate Moss has it all baby, she just overcame the cocaine scandal and look where she is!!!"

Yes, as a parent I have the responsibility to limit my childrens' exposure to undesirable elements, but fact of the matter is that these women are everywhere and anything that is a positive step in showing them in a realistic light is okay in my eyes.
They're NOT healthy.
They're NOT okay.
They're NOT making good decisions with their lives.
As people who CHOOSE to live in the public eye, they have to bear the consequences of that, and the other, choices.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer This is the most unhealthy, enabling, state of denial post I've read yet in this thread. You're actually going to put this forth as serious and inarguable thought/fact? You don't have to be "falling over" from malnutrition to need medical attention...The underlying effects of ana/mia are part of the serious problem. The effects that no one sees until the autopsy is run. Good grief.

You can replace "ana/mia" with almost anything and your post reads the same.

Here, we can play madlibs... Bold words are changed...

You don't have to have lungcancer from smoking to need medical attention...The underlying effects of smoking are part of the serious problem. The effects that no one sees until the autopsy is run. Good grief.

Or how about this...

You don't have to have a heart attack from overeating to need medical attention...The underlying effects of Obesity are part of the serious problem. The effects that no one sees until the autopsy is run. Good grief.

Now you try!

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Participate? Will not be hired. It's a standard. A standard, that's all. It's also something that, hey guess what? You're under 18...ok, well next show we do, come back and be over 18 and you've got the job. It's not a look RaeRae. That's what you're hanging this on, saying "Oh, we do/don't want a certain look"... It's not about a look. It's about being responsible for the image that's projected by the women walking the runways, and the models being responsible for maintaining their health.

Yes but your discriminating against women who do look healthy and are under 18 BMI. Not all of them are walking skeletons. Why not just audition/cast/recruit whatever healthy looking women. Instead of a blanket rejection on an arbitrary number that represents and average body type, that typical models will not have. Unless the average woman is now 5'9"

 

[little teaser]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer the damage done by obesity can be "undone" so to speak with medical intervention, cholesterol lowered, a healthy diet implemented can help unclog arteries, exercise etc. can lower the weight. The damage done by severe malnutrition to the point of ana/mia is not so easily undone. First there are the mental implications...once one 'recovers' from ana/mia s/he is forever 'recovering' because it's easy to relapse. Information on something that is more than just an "illness" Anorexia is a life threatening condition that can put a serious strain on many of the body's organs and physiological resources. A recent review of the scientific literature outlined a number of reliable findings in this area.[3] Anorexia puts a particular strain on the structure and function of the heart and cardiovascular system, with slow heart rate (bradycardia) and elongation of the QT interval seen early on. People with anorexia typically have a disturbed electrolyte imbalance, particularly low levels of phosphate which has been linked to heart failure, muscle weakness, immune dysfunction, and ultimately, death. Those who develop anorexia before adulthood may suffer stunted growth and subsequent low levels of essential hormones (including sex hormones) and chronically increased cortisol levels. Osteoporosis can also develop as a result of anorexia in 38-50% of cases,[4] as poor nutrition leads to the retarded growth of essential bone structure and low bone mineral density. Furthermore, changes in brain structure and function are early signs of the condition. Enlargement of the ventricles of the brain is thought to be associated with starvation, and is partially reversed when normal weight is maintained.[5] Anorexia is also linked to reduced blood flow in the temporal lobes, although as this finding does not correlate with current weight, it is possible that it is a risk trait, rather than an effect of starvation.[6] Physiological effects of Anorexia Nervosa Endocrine disorder, leading to cessation of periods in girls (amenorrhoea) Starvation symptoms, such as reduced metabolism, slow heart rate (bradycardia), hypotension, hypothermia and anemia. Growth of lanugo hair over the body Abnormalities of mineral and electrolyte levels in the body Zinc deficiency Often a reduction in white blood cell count Reduced immune system function Body mass index less than 17.5 in adults, or 85% of expected weight in children Possibly with pallid complexion and sunken eyes Creaking joints and bones Collection of fluid in ankles during the day and around eyes during the night Constipation Very dry/chapped lips due to malnutrition Poor circulation, resulting in common attacks of 'pins and needles' and purple extremities In cases of extreme weight loss, there can be nerve deterioration, leading to difficulty in moving the feet headaches, due to malnutrition These are not the women I want 'modeling' a lifestyle for my daughter to see. I don't want my children to see this and think "Holy shit Giselle has EVERYTHING I want to be just like her!!!! Maybe if I'm skinny enough it can happen!" or "Kate Moss has it all baby, she just overcame the cocaine scandal and look where she is!!!" Yes, as a parent I have the responsibility to limit my childrens' exposure to undesirable elements, but fact of the matter is that these women are everywhere and anything that is a positive step in showing them in a realistic light is okay in my eyes. They're NOT healthy. They're NOT okay. They're NOT making good decisions with their lives. As people who CHOOSE to live in the public eye, they have to bear the consequences of that, and the other, choices.

the damage can be undone from being fat when? after you have triple bypass surgery and a kidney transplant from haveing diabetes or your leg amputated from poor circulation and the funny thing about that shimmer which isnt so funny is you dont even have to be severly overweight to have those problems

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by Raerae You can replace "ana/mia" with almost anything and your post reads the same. Here, we can play madlibs... Bold words are changed... You don't have to have lungcancer from smoking to need medical attention...The underlying effects of smoking are part of the serious problem. The effects that no one sees until the autopsy is run. Good grief. Or how about this... You don't have to have a heart attack from overeating to need medical attention...The underlying effects of Obesity are part of the serious problem. The effects that no one sees until the autopsy is run. Good grief. Now you try!

Wow.
Denial is a powerful thing.

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by little teaser the damage can be undone from being fat when? after you have triple bypass surgery and a kidney transplant from haveing diabetes or your leg amputated from poor circulation and the funny thing about that shimmer which isnt so funny is you dont even have to be severly overweight to have those problems

Quite honestly, with changes in eating habits and exercise routines, a LOT of the damage done by obesity can be "undone". Not so much with starvation/malnutrition.

 

[little teaser]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimmer Quite honestly, with changes in eating habits and exercise routines, a LOT of the damage done by obesity can be "undone". Not so much with starvation/malnutrition.

wow! denial IS a powerful thing

 

[Shimmer]

Never once did I say obesity was okay, nor did I excuse it.
Don't assume that I did.
I simply pointed out that being malnourished has a more negative effect on the body than being overweight.

 

[quandolak]

RIGHT IVE HAD ENOUGH.....






YOu know what it makes me wanna do...ARGHHHHHHHHHH....*jumps up and down basel fawlty style*




*beep* if your for healthy weight models *beep beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep*

 

[Beauty Mark]

I think the over/underweight comparison is like comparing the lesser of two evils.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer Wow. Denial is a powerful thing.

Denial of what? lol. I was just simply showing how poitless it it to nit pick about people's weight/lifestyle choice considering the hundreds of poor lifestyle choices that most american't make on a daily basis with regards to work.

I'll use my own family as an example. I have a dad, who's KILLING himself doing his job. Literally. Not only does his diet suffer from an inconsistant schedule due to his position, so he's probably underweight. He has severe sleeping problems due to an overstressed mind, so he's sleep deprived on a constant basis and always tired. He's constantly jet lagged from flying to S Korea to do business. Not to mention several different places in the United States. He's developed Male - Osteoperosis FYI he's in his mid 40's. Which is probably related to being overstressed, a bad diet from not having enough free time to work, and several other things like lack of exercise. He works 12-14 hour days typically at his office, and bring work home every night to do on his laptop till like 1-2am in the morning. Not to mention he's personally doing what could be considered a 2nd job designing their new house, and overseeing the construction. So he's working 7 days a week nearly 24 hours a day. This man never stops.

When my Mom met him, he was totally athletic, had a cut body, and went to the gym, relaxed, and had fun. Now thats he's head of the entire west coast opperations at his Company, making hundreds of thousands of dollars, and can basically do whatever he wants, he doesn't have any time to enjoy it, and I'm seriously betting he will have a heart-attack at some point in the next 5-10 years.

He's done the maleAmerican dream (aka what all guys are conditioned to want). Went from being a poor architech living in a studio apartment, to having a top executive position and lots of disposible income. Yet he's suffering from severe conditions, that he doesn't think are important, because in his words, "If i dont do it, the company will find someone who will." He didn't want to have children until he was financially able to support them (he's my stepdad). Even though my Mom wanted to have children with him earlier. And now that he's financially stable, my Mom can't have kids due to menopause.

So Shimmer... How many Americans are killing themselves to live up to the expectations society puts on them to do their jobs? It's everywhere, in all fields, in all types of work, at all income levels.

 

[Shimmer]

I never said it wasn't.


None of that has a bearing however, on the fact that runway models are severely underweight, and due to that obvious malnutrition have been made to comply with a standard of health accepted worldwide.

 

[Raerae]

So whats next Shim? Wont be happy till runway models look like plane jane average american girl next door? Will that suddenly make people not find thin-ness attractive? Save poor women worlwide from worrying about their weight?

According to you all, "malnutrition is a choice." Shouldn't people be allowed to choose what they put into their bodies?

 

[Hawkeye]

I'm still wondering how we got from " what are your thoughts on this ban" to anorexia, overweight finding people attractive etc.

seriously, some of the stuff thats been said in this thread really makes me wonder where in the world this thread jumped the ship!

 

[little teaser]

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Originally Posted by youbeabitch I'm still wondering how we got from " what are your thoughts on this ban" to anorexia, overweight finding people attractive etc. seriously, some of the stuff thats been said in this thread really makes me wonder where in the world this thread jumped the ship!

because everyone likes to talk about 'skinny" or anorexia and no one wants to talk about "fat" or obeist subjects because it hits to close to home so they would rather talk about the oppisit problem because it's not there problem i never ever see a thread that talks about do you find fat gross or talk about the unhealthy parts of being overweight but they want to say that skinny girls or anorexic girls are in denial but arent they in just as much denial avoiding the topic either way it's a sensitive subject for both sides so its easy to pick on the skinny and pick them apart but as soon as it got reverse then war started

 

[little teaser]

for example if i were to start a new thread and took a photo of a fat person and blew it up to make them look like they were about to exploid and then talk about it would that not start and cause a topic of controvercy people would be like hell no you are exzagerateing

 

[Shimmer]

No, it doesn't hit too close to home. There are a LOT of people here who haven't got favorable impressions of overweight people. There are a LOT of people here who want to change the fact that they ARE overweight.
What there are NOT a lot of here are people who are underweight and want to gain weight and be healthy.
There's a vast difference between someone who's unhealthy and wants to be healthy and someone who's unhealthy but doesn't care because "hey, I'm skinny. You're just jealous."

 

[*Stargazer*]

There are also people here who are an ideal weight for their body type and struggled with eating disorders for years before getting professional help. And this person in particular sees the SAME denial she once had in many of the arguments in this thread.

 

[Shimmer]

Indeed. Many of the posts here are almost "pro-ana" in nature, and that's a huge concern based on the fact that we have many members who simply LURK the thread(s) who may be trying to recover from eating disorders or who are struggling with coping with an eating disorder and when they see some of this argument, I can honestly see how it can be considered a setback.

That said, I do want to point out that at no point in this time has anyone validated or expressed the opinion that "It's OK to be overweight" in regard to the subject.
I know that I personally am for HEALTHY bodies (Gabrielle Reese, Maria Sharipova, Anna Kournikova before she started scarfnbarfing) and I get the impression from many of the members here that they are also of that opinion. Healthy is beautiful. Over/underweight isn't healthy.