There are some places your children just should NOT be...

[professionaltart]

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Originally Posted by Beauty Mark I'll probably be the only person in this thread who doesn't like most children. I don't like how a lot of them behave, as well their parents. They act like their kids aren't accountable for anything or worse, blame it on the unfortunate witness. The cult of parenthood scares the hell out of me.

oh im with you on this one girl! I dont think its like a..I dislike children thing as it is a i heavily dislike parents that dont correct bad behavior. Kids are smart man! and once they see they can run all over their parents and their parents wont do anything they'll take full advantage of that.

This is random but one time I saw a mom change her baby's diaper ON THE TABLE at Applebees. Yeah gross right..

 

[Shimmer]

I think it's pretty unfair to dislike children specifically as they are not yet responsible compltely for their actions.
Granted I'm not saying they arent' accountable, but I am saying that children will behave the way they are allowed to behave.
It's the parents. *shrug*

 

[MxAxC-_ATTACK]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer I think it's pretty unfair to dislike children specifically as they are not yet responsible compltely for their actions. Granted I'm not saying they arent' accountable, but I am saying that children will behave the way they are allowed to behave. It's the parents. *shrug*

Thats just exactly It.
My friend has a 4 year old she lets walk all over her, she lets him come to my house and destroy my things, I let her borrow an extra cell phone that I had, her child had broken hers, so I said "put your Sim card in this phone" and she let her kid destroy that one as well.
She lets him scream in public.. LOUDLY.
He throws tantrums in public Regularly.

Now, My brother was once 4 (10 years ago), and he certainly did NOT act that way, In public OR at home. That was not allowed for either of us.. I tried it once, In public, At disneyland... and I got scolded Not spanked.., but certainly yelled at..(I did get spankings though) In front of everyone. but you do that these days and people are all up on their phones reporting child abuse.

Its all the way the parents allow them to behave.

And these days it seems like more and more parents, are allowing their children to behave badly.

I LOVE kids when they respect those around them (when they are old enough to, I certainly dont expect an Infant to not cry because its supposed to know better)

 

[Hawkeye]

MAC Pixie-I love you. LOL

I totally agree with everything your saying here.

and for the record im not a big fan of kids either!

 

[sweetmelissa]

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The cult of parenthood scares the hell out of me.

What does that mean exactly? Not all parents have the same parenting styles and not all parents allow their children to behave badly with no consequences so parenting is really not a cult per se.

Imho its all about common sense and common coutesy toward others. I take my son almost everywhere with me-which means shopping, post office, out to dinner once in a while, etc. (not to bars, casinos, adult stores, lol! Those places are clearly inappropriate for children). He is very young and mostly well behaved but sometimes he gets fussy and cries. When this occurs I generally leave wherever I am unless I'm in line and about to pay. My husband works a lot and I am currently a full time student and sahm so we don't have a lot of $$ to pay for child care all the time. Does that mean that we should never go anywhere and I should order my groceries online? Of course not! But admittedly, sometimes I get in situations beyond my control where I must go somewhere and I have to bring my son because there is no other option.

It stands to reason though-the people with common sense and courtesy for others are not likely to be the ones who allow their children to run rampant. I love my son immensely but he will be disciplined, that is part of loving him to me.

 

[Beauty Mark]

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What does that mean exactly? Not all parents have the same parenting styles and not all parents allow their children to behave badly with no consequences so parenting is really not a cult per se.

The cult of parenthood isn't the same as parenting. Parenting=Good. The cult of parenthood is worshipping your child, finding no fault in his/her behavior, blaming everyone else for not acknowledging your child's "specialness," and giving into the child's every whim. I've seen parents try to claim their children are smarter than average just to excuse their bad behavior. I've been blamed for being upset that their children ruin something of mine. I have friends who are wonderful parents, and I don't consider them to belong to the cult of parenthood.

I think children, after a certain age, are accountable for some of their behaviors and then all. If a child of age 5, for instance, pulls my hair and I tell them not to do it again, because it hurt, they are accountable to not do it again. If a child of age 10 or so breaks some of my things, they certainly should know by now that destroying someone's property is wrong. Toddlers, not so much, but especially when children are approaching pre-teen age, they've been in the world long enough to have observed proper behavior.

 

[Shimmer]

Of course they have but as we all know, observation and practice are two totally different things.

I am not excusing any child's bad behaviour merely saying that there's usually a reason for their behaviour.

 

[brandiisamonkey]

While I agree that SCREAMING/UNBEHAVED children should not be at some places like most resturants or the movies where a non age apropriate movie is playing. I dont take Hayden with me hardly anywhere right now because he IS colicy and he is at a horrible stage where if I put him down he cries, and I would like to get the things I need to get done in less than a few hours lol. He will not go out to eat with us until im sure he wont cry duing dinner. Im a waitress I UNDERSTAND that screaming children in any resturant other than chuck e cheese is not a good thing. Other people are trying to eat and the server is trying to hear what people have to say, oh and dont get me started on the kids that RUN though resturants, thats dangerous! The plates that most resturants have are very heavy and are usually loaded with scalding hot food. I dont think however that if you have a well behaved child that you should be looked bad at for going anywhere. I was once a kid and I never touched stuff at the makeup counter when I went with my mom, I was not bad in the grocery store because if I was id get my butt whipped. I think that its purely situational...

 

[Chic 2k6]

I agree with everyone! i have the most annoying lil cousin.

Cody's 5 years old and i take him to PG-13 films, and he's very good, once he kept moving the seat flat up and down and if it annoyed me, it wouldve annoyed everyone else so i told him to stop. What really apalls me is that he SWEARS at me :| at 5 years old, he constantly tells me to Fuck Off, says Shit, Bugger, Bollocks and any other word he knows, i was angry that he swore at me and i resolved the problem by giving him a wedgie for every swearword he said and he quickly learnt his lesson.

I See little brats in supermarkets running around like wild animals, ive seen uncontrollable childen being ignored by their parents who is aware of it, heck one little shit tried to take my bag off me because she liked the pink colour, needless to say i quickly snatched it in the air and glared at her, in which she bawled her eyes out because she didnt get what she wants and resulted her mother confronting me, uhhh hello? I aint giving up my £40 Playboy bag for your little brat to play with :|:|

Ive witnessed some kids randomly attacking people in stores and it makes me angry because i just wanna sort them out but i cant :| my cousins Max and Cody plays in the park, very well behaved and having fun and it get ruined by nasty little kiddies and their obnoxious parents. In my Local cinema, kids under 4 arent allowed in except for Kid's saturday club, mostly because to prevent disturbance but even 8 y/o kids does it too ack.

Rant over lol i have to admit i was everyone's worse nightmare as a toddler mostly cos i was deaf and didnt hear any shouts and didnt pay attention

 

[MAC_Whore]

I have an issue with parents not watching their kids in public restrooms. I really don't enjoy their kids peeking under the door. Honestly, when someone appears under your door they are really invading your privacy at a particularly vunerable moment. My first instinct is to kick them. Obviously I would never kick a child, but my initial instinct is to protect myself. Same thing with dressing rooms in stores. This goes especially for the parents who bring "kids" that are older boys into the women's restrooms.

 

[Chic 2k6]

Here's a good one!

How about watching kids pick up an apple in supermarkets, take a bite out of it then put the apples back? that just freaking gross iccck

Or How about kids running into changing rooms pulling curtains back, exposing people changing to the public? its disgraceful

 

[sweetmelissa]

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i resolved the problem by giving him a wedgie for every swearword he said and he quickly learnt his lesson.

Ok beautymark, I see your point. I hate the whole child worshipping too.

 

[Raerae]

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Originally Posted by MAC_Whore I have an issue with parents not watching their kids in public restrooms. I really don't enjoy their kids peeking under the door. Honestly, when someone appears under your door they are really invading your privacy at a particularly vunerable moment. My first instinct is to kick them. Obviously I would never kick a child, but my initial instinct is to protect myself. Same thing with dressing rooms in stores. This goes especially for the parents who bring "kids" that are older boys into the women's restrooms.

I cant stand this. And you just reminded me of a huge pet peeve of mine lol. I hate it. When i hear little boys in the bathroom it makes me uncomfortable using the potty, because of the reasons you stated above. Last thing I want to be doing is pulling up my panties while a little boy is peeking under at me. If there in the stall next to me alone or with their mom, i'll wait until their finished before taking care of business lol.

I do however appreciate stores who seperate the womens restrooms into a regular area, and a section for Moms with young children. This way Moms can still bring their younger kids into the bathroom with them, but they are in a seperate area from the rest of us. Doesn't always happen though, sadly, I do wish more stores would do this.

 

[*Stargazer*]

I take my kids virtually everywhere with me and have done since they were weeks old. Its really the only way to teach them how to behave in public.

That said, we don't take them to adult only places, like movies, because its age inappropriate and sitting still is a skill that is still years away for them LOL. We take them out to eat because we want them to learn how to act polite in restaurants. I think the problem isn't taking children places so much as it is the so-called "cult" mindset. The "my child is a precious gift who should be able to do whatever he wants regardless of anyone else's space and personal property" mindset.

I take both of my daughters to the grocery store and to the MAC counter with me. But they know very well that they have to keep their hands to themselves and I go prepared with toys and fruit snacks. I wouldn't get 90% of my errands run if I had to do them kidless.

I get the bathroom thing too. I am slightly uncomfortable with older boys in the ladies room, but at the same time, I can't imagine leaving a child unattended in this day and age. I'd be terrified some pervert would take advantage of them being alone while I had to pee. I'm a HUGE fan of bathrooms that can accomodate the issue. I think this is again a separate issue from the bad behavior of kids who are peeking under stalls and such.

Re: the casino issue, it is illegal in Nevada to have a child in a casino for more than just passing through on the way somewhere else. I believe the law stems from a little girl being raped and murdered while her father was gambling. Again though, it comes down to parents who are just too selfish to be effective parents, whether it is watching their child instead of gambling or teaching their child some manners.

 

[Beauty Mark]

I have no problems with people taking their kids pretty much anywhere, except like strip clubs, places with a ton of drinking, any establishment where parents aren't paying attention, etc. They can go to 5-star restaurants or Broadway shows, for all I care. It just boils down to behavior. If your children cannot behave in public, don't bring them there. If they misbehave in public (I understand parents cannot predict that), discipline them for real, not feably yell "Please don't that, sweetie pie" or grin like fool.

I think you can teach kids not to look under the stall. My brother was yelled at when the first and only time he did it. I think it's a very important lesson for children to learn, to respect other people's personal space.

 

[Juneplum]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer They know just from THE LOOK

can i get an AMEN. i am a grown married woman and to this day when my mom gives me THE LOOK i feel like a 5 year old that BETTER straighten up and fly right!

 

[Chic 2k6]

my mom gives me the look but it doesnt work with me, im immune to the look lmao,

i was a nightmare, my mom had to drag me from one end of a shop to another whilst i was having a tantrum over some sweeties. (i was 5 at the time)


My fave trick was hiding in clothes rack in the stores as a child lol

 

[xmrsvindieselx]

I do believe that children shouldnt be in adult oriented places( like bars,ADULT STORES..etc) but I also believe if you dont bring then to places where you will eventually bring them ( like grocery stores and resturants) then they cant learn how to act.I dont know if what I'm saying is confusing..but if you take your child to the grocery store and they act up and you scold them ( im not saying beat their ass haha),they will learn to act respectful..instead of never taking them, so they dont know how to act..does this make sense haha??

 

[queenofdisaster]

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Originally Posted by Shimmer I'm sorry, I disagree. It's not about leaving the kids at home, it's about teaching them how to behave. Example? From my kids you will not have these issues. They know just from THE LOOK that one hand goes where it's not supposed to, one outside voice gets used, one thing that they KNOW they're not supposed to do happens, they're going to answer to me. It's quite unreasonable to expect that parents simply stop doing ANYTHING upon having a child. It's quite unreasonable to expect a child to comport him or herself years above the maturity level by putting the child in a difficult situation. There is a middle ground...it's called raising the kids. Knowing how muchy your kids can handle and for how long. Laying down rules and then enforcing them. It can be done, believe me. Obviously there are places a child should not be, however, it's important to maintain perspective I believe.

I agree COMPLETELY. My daughter is very well-behaved. She isn't even 2 yet and she knows when to sit still, when to be quiet, and when not to touch things. I could take my daughter to any and all of the above-mentioned places (of course NOT the adult bookstore

) and she's fine. It's not the children who are just naturally bratty, it's the parents that make them that way!!!

 

[Shimmer]

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Originally Posted by xmrsvindieselx I do believe that children shouldnt be in adult oriented places( like bars,ADULT STORES..etc) but I also believe if you dont bring then to places where you will eventually bring them ( like grocery stores and resturants) then they cant learn how to act.I dont know if what I'm saying is confusing..but if you take your child to the grocery store and they act up and you scold them ( im not saying beat their ass haha),they will learn to act respectful..instead of never taking them, so they dont know how to act..does this make sense haha??

I agree with this completely.