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Hawkeye

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An interesting read for you ladies:
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Some commentary on the above link (who can articulate it moreso than I can) thank you Mr. Boortz-
Things got heated yesterday on the floor of the House and Senate yesterday...particularly the House...over the war in Iraq. Republicans introduced a resolution praising U.S. troops, labeling the war in Iraq part of the War On Terror and saying a withdraw date should not be set. Democrats took the bait, and it was on.
The purpose was to draw out the Democrats...to get them on record saying that they don't support the war in Iraq and that they want to cut and run. Because ultimately...if you don't support the current mission, that's really the only position you can take. And with things going pretty well these days...cutting and running isn't something the American people would support.
So out comes Nancy Pelosi...and says "This is a war that is a grotesque mistake." How nice. I'm sure all of the troops serving in Iraq from Pelosi's district are pleased to know she thinks they're there fighting for a "grotesque mistake." So what's her answer? She doesn't have one....all she says is that it's time for a new strategy, according to her "one that will make us safer, strengthen our military, and restore our reputation in the world." In other words, like most Democrats, she has no plan.
Yesterday's debate served its purpose. It showed that Democrats have no real ideas of their own ... except to run and hide.
 
Shimmer

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LOL @ having ideas of doing something but having no plan in place for making the ideas anything more than a reality.
 
Shimmer

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Indeed.
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Shimmer

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Originally Posted by quandolak
lmao http://www.hatecrime.org/subpages/ha...ch/phelps.html

So this is just one of millions of examples worldwide of christianity preaching hate...chrisitan leader preaching it...even the heads of many churches have rather alot to say about punishing those who dont agree with them.....

BUT SHOULD THAT BE PROOF OF ALL CHRISITANS BEING FAULTERED....NO....IT SHOULD NOT...


SO LIKEWISE SHOULD .......... *SOME WACKO PRETENDING TO BE A DEVOUT MUSLIM BUT INFACT BEING AS LOW LIFE AS BABY RAPING PRIESTS*...LIKE WISE THEY SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN AS PRFOOF THAT A WHOLE OR SUBSTANTIAL PERCENTAGE OF MUSLIMS BE PREACHING HATE!

YOU YOURSELF SAY MANY TIME THAT YOU DONT WANT TO BE BLAMED FOR THOSE WHO PRETEND TO BE CHRISTIANS..SO WHY IS IT SO HARD FOR YOU TO BEAR THE IDEA THAT OTHER RELIGIONS BE ALLOWED THAT SORT OF RATIONALISING?!!


Stop trying to shoot above your range, Your mental capacity is clearly not up to much.

LOL You. You? You are calling ME stupid? THAT my dear is a laugh.
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Thank you for that. Aside from my kids telling me they loved me and what a great mom I am, I hadn't had a good laugh this a.m. Wanna give me a hug too?

Indeed, I don't claim associations with Christians who commit those acts. I don't like the fact that they claim the basis of their faith as Christianity. I can't change that they do.

But~the difference lies in that my faith, and the words of Christ, which are the foundation of the teachings of my faith (Nthesticks please correct me if I'm wrong) DO NOT ADVOCATE VIOLENCE. The teachings of Christ, in His words, do not say that people who don't worship as I do are inferior, or should be killed.

Can you say the same about your holy text?
 
Hawkeye

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Is anyone else seeing a trend here?

I mean I'm all for the ability to let Muslims do their thing and christians do their thing but I'm beginning to see the two most active members have absolutely no clue what they believe in though they say they do!

They are exemplifying the stereotype. Or am I the only one seeing this?
 
Hawkeye

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Um. I hate to tell you this but it is in the old testiment.

Christians believe in it but we also have a person we refer to as Jesus Christ who came and broke the laws of the old testiment

For those verses to work in this conversation you would need to be arguing with a Jewish person who does not acknowledge the New Testiment.
 
Shimmer

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Originally Posted by quandolak
Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the Lord thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them.


This day the LORD will deliver you into my hand, and I will strike you down, and cut off your head ... that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel." 1 Samuel 17:46

I will give the dead bodies of the host of the Philistines this day to the birds of the air and to the wild beasts of the earth; that all the earth may know that there is a God in Israel. 1 Samuel 17:47

"He ordered the guards and officers to slaughter them all, and to let not a single one escape." (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 25) "God said to Jehu, 'you have done well in carrying out what is right and have completed what I wanted done to the house of Ahab. Therefore your sons will be kings over Israel to the fourth generation." (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 30)

"Joshua destroyed everyone. They did not leave anyone alive." (Joshua 11:14) "They were put to the sword, destroying them all." (Joshua 11:12)

Psalms 58:10 : The righteous shall rejoice when he seeth the vengeance: he shall wash his feet in the blood of the wicked

And it came to pass as they came, when David was returned from the slaughter of the Philistine, that the women came out of all cities of Israel, singing and dancing, to meet king Saul, with tabrets, with joy, and with instruments of musick. And the women answered one another as they played, and said, Saul hath slain his thousands, and David his ten thousands. And Saul was very wroth, and the saying displeased him; and he said, They have ascribed unto David ten thousands, and to me they have ascribed but thousands: and what can he have more but the kingdom? And Saul eyed David from that day and forward. 1 Samuel 18:6-9


every living soul they put to the sword until they had destroyed everyone. They did not leave anyone alive." (Joshua 11:14)

Kill every woman." Numbers 31:7


Kill every little boy." Numbers 31:7

"Kill all the infants and suckling babies." 1 Samuel 15:3



You must completely destroy them; you shall make no peace treaties with them, and show no mercy to them." Deut 2:1
"Utterly destroy all that they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling baby." 1 Samuel 15:3

Then the woman went to all the people in her wisdom. And they cut off the head of Sheba the son of Bichri." 2 Samuel 20:21
King Jehu ordered the people to behead Ahab's sons and to bring him the heads of Ahab's sons "at Jezreel by this time tommorrow...And when the letter came to them, they took the king's sons, and slew them, seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent them to him at Jezreel. When the messenger came and told him, "They have brought the heads of the king's sons," he said, "Lay them in two heaps at the entrance of the gate until the morning.". (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 6) "God has now fulfilled the prophecy of the prophet Elijah. So Jehu put to death all who were left of the house of Ahab in Jezreel, as well as all of his close friends and priests, until he had left not one single survivor." (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 10) "He put to death all of Ahab's house, who were left there and so blotted it out, in fulfillment of the word which YAHWEH had spoken to Elijah." (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 7) "He ordered the guards and officers to slaughter them all, and to let not a single one escape." (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 25) "God said to Jehu, 'you have done well in carrying out what is right and have completed what I wanted done to the house of Ahab. Therefore your sons will be kings over Israel to the fourth generation." (2 Kings Chapter 10 verse 30)







Devour the nations the lord your god delivers over to you. Show them no pity." Deut. 7:16





oh im sorry i must be mistaken...sheesh...and like i said I DONT THINK MOST CHRISITANS ARE BAD.. AND I DONT EXACTLY FEEL COMFORTABLE POSTING THESE QUOES FROM THE BIBLE BUT I KNOW THAt YOU WILL PUT THEM INTO CONTEXT....NO DOUBT PREDICTABLY YOU REFUSE TO PUT ISLAMS ONES INTO CONTEXT TOO!..

Also dont post lame links with the wrong translation plsthx.

You are posting quotations from the Bible, yes, but you are not posting Christ's teachings. There is a difference.
You're posting from the Old Testament, not the New Testament.
In the Old Testament, things were handled violently because it was prior to Christ's appearance on Earth. Once Christ appeared (that would be the New Testament, where CHRIST'S TEACHINGS, which is what my post was in reference to...) there was not a need for violence to be ordered by the Lord, because Christ's sacrifice opened the way for man to have a personal relationship with God without the priest being the mediator. God doesn't have to order violence anymore because through Christ's teachings and sacrifice it became a personal choice.
Find an example of CHRIST'S teachings (in the KJV those would be the words in RED. RED looks like THIS so it should make it a bit more distinguishable for you.) then post them.
Going to the OT in an argument with a follower of Christ is like dumping cheese on a swimming pool to clorinate it. Not quite an effective solution.
 
Shimmer

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Originally Posted by quandolak
How old are you again?


Talk about Pathetic..so now the bibles(apparently what you have stated many time that you do indeed follow yet now want to distance yourself from) ACTUAL words dont count...now u narrow it down again..and then i supposes again and again until you disqualify the whole bible as evidence that it too included violent words..

No, I did not distance myself.

I specifically stated that the doctrine of my faith is based heavily on Christ's teaching. Hence the word CHRISTIAN.
Like I said.
Find and cite the teachings of CHRIST that advocate violence.
 
Dizzy

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It's not that the Bible's words don't count, but you have to remember there are two different books in the Bible. Majority of the faith is based upon the New Testament, but you're quoting from the Old Testament which is really only used for refrence. Quoting the Old Testament would be good if you were debating with a person who is of Jewish faith, because that is also their holy book.
 
Hawkeye

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Oh my Lord
This is what we get for talking to a two year old mentality Shimmer.

The Old testiment to the CHristians is NOTHING More than the history.

Chrisitanity is based SOLELY on the teachings of Jesus Christ. NEVER does Jesus, Paul, John or any other books in the NEW TESTIMENT (which guess what there is a difference) state the severity of what the Muslims teach in the Qur'an.

You talk to a Jewish Person they will argue with you about your little "lets all go to the Old testestiment" and you will find thats why both religions do not get along.

You talk to a Christian person You site from the NEW testiment.
 
Shimmer

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Originally Posted by quandolak
Its a shame then that many of those quotes ARE from the new testament..but ill check back tommorow for more of your lame denials.

WHAT??
Deuteronomy is OT.
Kings 1 and 2 are OT.
Samuel is OT.
Numbers is OT.
Joshua is OT.

Those are the books you quoted from EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM IS OLD TESTAMENT.


Which ones exactly are from the New Testament again?


Oh wait, that's right...NONE of them.

Good job kid.

and just so you can read for yourself a listing of the books of the Old Testament of the Bible in order.


Good grief.
 
Dizzy

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If you think those are from the New Testament then you have the books confused. Look it up.

Edit: erm, or read Shimmer's link since she did the work for you.

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but ill check back tommorow for more of your lame denial

The lame denials will end when correct facts are brought up. The Old Testament is a COMPLETELY different book than the New Testament. The Old Testament is for historical purposes: to show us what our people evolved from. The New Testament is Christ's teachings, what we actually follow. There is a major difference here.
 
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