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MissMarley
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ok, i have to say, i graduated with a degree in biblical literature from a bible college, and i have never heard of a lost year of Jesus.
| Originally Posted by jinsy thanks for the link. any more resources on this, from the Muslim and other perspectives? does anyone have any insights into the lost year of Jesus (that which weren't recorded in the Bible)? tia. |
ok, i have to say, i graduated with a degree in biblical literature from a bible college, and i have never heard of a lost year of Jesus.
Hawkeye
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ITA MissMarley that is a new one-unless she is referring to the years when Jesus was just "knee high to a cricket"
I'm not a Bible Scholar but I did attend 3.5 years of Seminary (I know-thats kind of scary isn't it?) and this is really a strange question
Or are you referring to the 3 years that we actually "know" what Jesus was doing for a fact?
I'm not a Bible Scholar but I did attend 3.5 years of Seminary (I know-thats kind of scary isn't it?) and this is really a strange question
Or are you referring to the 3 years that we actually "know" what Jesus was doing for a fact?
jinsy
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i referred to his teenage years leading up to his public ministry. i once read a book about it.. cant recall who wrote it.
http://search.msn.co.uk/results.aspx...ars+of+jes us
i'd really love to see this thread alive and moving. i've so much to say and to ask. each person's spiritual journey, however brief or far from 'interesting', is surely witness for his/her faith. it's strange that i'm should be seeking these out now when i've already embraced Christianity. i suppose, by doing so, all the more my quest may point the way toward God - time and again
http://search.msn.co.uk/results.aspx...ars+of+jes us
i'd really love to see this thread alive and moving. i've so much to say and to ask. each person's spiritual journey, however brief or far from 'interesting', is surely witness for his/her faith. it's strange that i'm should be seeking these out now when i've already embraced Christianity. i suppose, by doing so, all the more my quest may point the way toward God - time and again
Hawkeye
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Jinsey, it is very wise to look around and see other faiths. You learn things from them. It is very unwise to see one point of view and stick with it because then you learn nothing.
I think this is why this thread has gotton so long and so cut-throat because no one seems to truely want to see other view points-they say they do but then they don't (and this is referring to EVERYBODY, me included!)
You are doing very well to be able and willing to branch out more. If you would like I can recommend you many books that may help you.
Yes those years. From the time he was born to about 12 we're unsure of what he did when he was boy and from that instance from 12-30 we're still unsure.
There are books and I think the Catholic church has some books regarding that.
The things we know for sure is he was a carpenter, so we can safely assume he was taught a trade during the teenage years. We also can safely assume, since he was 12 and was fascinated by the elders of the Jewish synagogues that he probably liked to talk to them.
That's really all we know as a hard cold fact.
I have never read any books regarding those years, mainly because I'm not really interested in that but-I will see what I can find for you
I think this is why this thread has gotton so long and so cut-throat because no one seems to truely want to see other view points-they say they do but then they don't (and this is referring to EVERYBODY, me included!)
You are doing very well to be able and willing to branch out more. If you would like I can recommend you many books that may help you.
Yes those years. From the time he was born to about 12 we're unsure of what he did when he was boy and from that instance from 12-30 we're still unsure.
There are books and I think the Catholic church has some books regarding that.
The things we know for sure is he was a carpenter, so we can safely assume he was taught a trade during the teenage years. We also can safely assume, since he was 12 and was fascinated by the elders of the Jewish synagogues that he probably liked to talk to them.
That's really all we know as a hard cold fact.
I have never read any books regarding those years, mainly because I'm not really interested in that but-I will see what I can find for you
NtheSticks
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I'm not sure that those years between His birth and beginning of His ministry would actually qualify as 'lost' really.
There are many things he did that aren't in the books. John tells us that "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written" in the NIV translation of John 21:25.
But in that period of time, there is the incident of His being in the temple and astonishing the priests with His knowledge and we are told that He returned home with His parents, and was obedient to them, grwoing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men (as told at the end of second chapter in Luke)
So the years weren't lost. I don't know if that answers your question, for sure. As for links, the best one is the actual book. But there are several out there full of information - There are teachers who have their ministry on the web - such as www.bethmoore.org who is a nondenominational women's ministry (ok, non denom as far as seperations in Christianity) who is a VERY good speaker. Or e-Sword
That's about as close to a link as I'll get.
There are many things he did that aren't in the books. John tells us that "Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written" in the NIV translation of John 21:25.
But in that period of time, there is the incident of His being in the temple and astonishing the priests with His knowledge and we are told that He returned home with His parents, and was obedient to them, grwoing in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men (as told at the end of second chapter in Luke)
So the years weren't lost. I don't know if that answers your question, for sure. As for links, the best one is the actual book. But there are several out there full of information - There are teachers who have their ministry on the web - such as www.bethmoore.org who is a nondenominational women's ministry (ok, non denom as far as seperations in Christianity) who is a VERY good speaker. Or e-Sword
That's about as close to a link as I'll get.
NtheSticks
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Are we cut-throat? hmmmm....never meant to be
.. probly can be
Anyway...the life of the Jewish community of that time would give us insight to what He was doing as a child and young man. As the man who raised him was a carpenter, and He is mentioned elsewhere as having that trade, it is safe to say that he was learning that trade, in obedience to the family, as a young man. His education would have been much like any other devoutly raised Hebrew boy.
I find it so interesting to think of Him (and the song "Mary Did You Know?" gives me goose bumps when I hear it) as a helpless infant - just like any baby. He learned to walk, and talk, just as we did. He fell on His little bottom when He was taking those first steps. He was faced with every temptation we face. And didn't give in. That He was without sin is what made His sacrifice acceptable.
anyway.....seek answers and you'll find them.
| Originally Posted by youbeabitch The things we know for sure is he was a carpenter, so we can safely assume he was taught a trade during the teenage years. We also can safely assume, since he was 12 and was fascinated by the elders of the Jewish synagogues that he probably liked to talk to them. That's really all we know as a hard cold fact. |
Are we cut-throat? hmmmm....never meant to be
Anyway...the life of the Jewish community of that time would give us insight to what He was doing as a child and young man. As the man who raised him was a carpenter, and He is mentioned elsewhere as having that trade, it is safe to say that he was learning that trade, in obedience to the family, as a young man. His education would have been much like any other devoutly raised Hebrew boy.
I find it so interesting to think of Him (and the song "Mary Did You Know?" gives me goose bumps when I hear it) as a helpless infant - just like any baby. He learned to walk, and talk, just as we did. He fell on His little bottom when He was taking those first steps. He was faced with every temptation we face. And didn't give in. That He was without sin is what made His sacrifice acceptable.
anyway.....seek answers and you'll find them.
jinsy
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well.. truth be told, i'm definitely biased 
things just worked out very weirdly for me. i never knew any faiths until me teen years and i was never intrigued enough to want to know more. i chose to do Bible Knowledge for 'O' levels when most of my friends did Buddhism. why? i've no clue. since then, all i had were some head knowledge based solely on the Bible. i'm the most cynical person i know yet i never really questioned Christianity but i did other religions. up until recently, before i accepted Christ again (i backslided countless times), i was doubting Catholiticism and was actually quite against it. i know, some may say i practice double standards, and i won't defend myself for this lameness
thanks for the bethmoore link
you know what? i can't help but praise the Lord. my bro was just sharing with me a passage from When Godly People Do Ungodly Things by Beth Moore! it was a very profound story.
things just worked out very weirdly for me. i never knew any faiths until me teen years and i was never intrigued enough to want to know more. i chose to do Bible Knowledge for 'O' levels when most of my friends did Buddhism. why? i've no clue. since then, all i had were some head knowledge based solely on the Bible. i'm the most cynical person i know yet i never really questioned Christianity but i did other religions. up until recently, before i accepted Christ again (i backslided countless times), i was doubting Catholiticism and was actually quite against it. i know, some may say i practice double standards, and i won't defend myself for this lameness
thanks for the bethmoore link
MeganGMcD
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This is such an easy question for me to answer, for my own behalf.
Jesus is this:
Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Beyond all questions of divinity, beyond all things we can't comprehened or explain. Jesus came to teach about love , and that's enough for me.
Jesus is this:
Blessed are the poor in spirit,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
For they shall be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
For they shall inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
For they shall be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
For they shall obtain mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
For they shall see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
For they shall be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake,
For theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Beyond all questions of divinity, beyond all things we can't comprehened or explain. Jesus came to teach about love , and that's enough for me.
kaliraksha
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I don't agree and don't like when people take the Bible really literally... it was a book written by people who contributed stories. Like all things transcribed into history there are faults... and interpretations... and things lost in translation. Overall, it's a book and a really entertaining one at that... very sensationalized.
I know in AP English I went to school with a lot of non christians and everyone moaned and groaned about all the Christian or Bible allusions... but the truth is, it is a very very infuential BOOK in modern life.
I know in AP English I went to school with a lot of non christians and everyone moaned and groaned about all the Christian or Bible allusions... but the truth is, it is a very very infuential BOOK in modern life.
Hawkeye
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It is correct. Because it's fascinating to me-
I mean think about it-
God did not sit down and write the bible nor the Quran.
The Bible is inspired by God.
Inspired that's a funny word.
So God inspired Man to write the Bible.
Man wrote the Bible.
Man is fallible.
Man wrote things down.
So......if one religion goes down. Every other religion must go with it
I mean think about it-
God did not sit down and write the bible nor the Quran.
The Bible is inspired by God.
Inspired that's a funny word.
So God inspired Man to write the Bible.
Man wrote the Bible.
Man is fallible.
Man wrote things down.
So......if one religion goes down. Every other religion must go with it
NtheSticks
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First, if you are a Christian, you believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God. "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God" 2 Tim 3:16 That means that while Paul might be penning it (or Moses or David) GOD is giving them the words to put on the paper - so to say.
There aren't faults in the Bible. Specifically, it is infallible, the inerrant Word of God. There might be faults in a translation, so if you were to be studying, you would want something to point you to what the original word (Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek) was used in the original text. Context, 'present active participle' tenses and such are important. Since I don't read those three languages, I will use aids to my studies such as a Strong's or other such.
Second, when you are studying you are doing a very different kind of reading than when you are simply reading. For example, reading a romance novel is different than reading your English text book (unless you're reading for the book report....diff subject so, I'm not going off on the tangent) So study of what the Bible says involves an active mind applying some principles - Who is being written to? By that I'm saying that what God sent the angel to tell Mary is ONLY to Mary, not to me, but it's important that I know it.
Third, the Bible will be always be attacked. Whether by incomplete knowledge, or by scholarly discussion. "If the Bible weren't divine, it would have been torn to shreds long ago" to paraphrase William Evans.
For me to know the Bible - or you, for that matter - means study it. OPEN the mind and the heart to it.
yes, the Bible is quite literal in many ways. Many ways.
I find it interesting that you attribute it to be an inflluential book in modern life. Some of the best books I've read have had a biblical influence. And currently, I'd say the Narnia series shows that it transcends time. Another C.S.Lewis book that could be interesting is "The Screwtape Letters."
But
I have to admit I'm enjoying the discussion.
| Originally Posted by kaliraksha I don't agree and don't like when people take the Bible really literally... it was a book written by people who contributed stories. Like all things transcribed into history there are faults... and interpretations... and things lost in translation. Overall, it's a book and a really entertaining one at that... very sensationalized. I know in AP English I went to school with a lot of non christians and everyone moaned and groaned about all the Christian or Bible allusions... but the truth is, it is a very very infuential BOOK in modern life. |
First, if you are a Christian, you believe the Bible to be the inspired word of God. "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God" 2 Tim 3:16 That means that while Paul might be penning it (or Moses or David) GOD is giving them the words to put on the paper - so to say.
There aren't faults in the Bible. Specifically, it is infallible, the inerrant Word of God. There might be faults in a translation, so if you were to be studying, you would want something to point you to what the original word (Hebrew, Aramaic or Greek) was used in the original text. Context, 'present active participle' tenses and such are important. Since I don't read those three languages, I will use aids to my studies such as a Strong's or other such.
Second, when you are studying you are doing a very different kind of reading than when you are simply reading. For example, reading a romance novel is different than reading your English text book (unless you're reading for the book report....diff subject so, I'm not going off on the tangent) So study of what the Bible says involves an active mind applying some principles - Who is being written to? By that I'm saying that what God sent the angel to tell Mary is ONLY to Mary, not to me, but it's important that I know it.
Third, the Bible will be always be attacked. Whether by incomplete knowledge, or by scholarly discussion. "If the Bible weren't divine, it would have been torn to shreds long ago" to paraphrase William Evans.
For me to know the Bible - or you, for that matter - means study it. OPEN the mind and the heart to it.
yes, the Bible is quite literal in many ways. Many ways.
I find it interesting that you attribute it to be an inflluential book in modern life. Some of the best books I've read have had a biblical influence. And currently, I'd say the Narnia series shows that it transcends time. Another C.S.Lewis book that could be interesting is "The Screwtape Letters."
I have to admit I'm enjoying the discussion.
LaurieAnne1983
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I like the post before mine.
) I don't understand how peole can say the bible is a good book of morals etc. and Jesus was a good man, but not the Son of God / part of the Trinity that is the Creator. As many Christian apologetics books have argued, Jesus can't be a "a good person" and the Bible isn't a book of "morals" because, Jesus was either a liar (ie, not a good person at all), a complete lunatic, or God. He did in fact claim that he was God. If he wasn't, either that makes him a liar, if he didn't believe it, a lunatic, if he did but he wasn't, or he is just God. I believe the latter with all my heart, and believe the Bible was inspired straight from God, through men, and its amazing how its lasted all this time. I would say Christianity isn't really a lot like Islam for a lot of reasons, though I understand how Islam built on it, but the beliefs really aren't the same. Christianity is the fulfilling of Jewish texts though, even if current Jews (unless they are Messianic Jews, believing Jesus was the Messiah), so Christianity is the the second covenant with the same God, which is a better covenant, than the first one he made with the then-Jews. Anyway, I just don't understand the middle ground. I'd either completely not believe it or believe it with all my heart. It seems like such a trick of Satan to lull people in those safe in-between waters, and it doesn't really make a lot of sense to me.
Indigowaters
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While I've enjoyed reading ALOT of the posts in this thread (both from Christians and Muslims), I cannot read them all. I agree with Christians of course because I am a Christian. I came into knowing God basically all by myself. I of course heard of Jesus and God and knew they were the same, but I've never been forced to go to church and believe something I didn't want to. I made the choice to go on my own. I have been approached by different religions as to which one is true, but nothing can convince me more than the TRUTH. I even had a best friend who was (and I say was because she wasn't even practicing her own religion) a Jehovah's Witness. The first thing I asked her was do they believe in Heaven and hell, and she said no. I stopped her in her tracks and said then that was something I could not believe. Mind you, I was not religious (still am not - because religion is a practiced set of rules rather than living the Christian lifestyle that was set before us by Jesus) but I knew enough to know that I didn't want to make the mistake of not believing and end up in hell. With all of that said, this has been a good discussion and has strengthened me more in my walk with Christ. Life_In_Return and Shimmer - you go!
Oh and btw, here's an example of how to explain the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). They are all One but have different purposes. God is all-knowing and sees all. He is The Creator. Jesus is the Son sent to save us from sin by what He already did (dying on the cross for our sins as a living sacrifice so that we would never have to offer up sacrifices again for our sins, but repent). Last but not least the Holy Spirit Who was sent as a Comforter (not a bedspread either smartypants, lol.) He is that "voice" that people say, "Something told me to turn right" or "Something told me not to do this or go that way or say that thing".
Now, with that said, take the example of H2O. It is one element but can take on different forms for different purposes. It can be broken down into water (liquid), steam and ice. They all serve different purposes. You drink water, you steam vegetables and you use ice to cool drinks. But when they're all brought back together, you get what? One element. That's why the Trinity is called God in Three Persons, Perfect Trinity.
Oh and btw, here's an example of how to explain the Trinity (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). They are all One but have different purposes. God is all-knowing and sees all. He is The Creator. Jesus is the Son sent to save us from sin by what He already did (dying on the cross for our sins as a living sacrifice so that we would never have to offer up sacrifices again for our sins, but repent). Last but not least the Holy Spirit Who was sent as a Comforter (not a bedspread either smartypants, lol.) He is that "voice" that people say, "Something told me to turn right" or "Something told me not to do this or go that way or say that thing".
Now, with that said, take the example of H2O. It is one element but can take on different forms for different purposes. It can be broken down into water (liquid), steam and ice. They all serve different purposes. You drink water, you steam vegetables and you use ice to cool drinks. But when they're all brought back together, you get what? One element. That's why the Trinity is called God in Three Persons, Perfect Trinity.
YvetteJeannine
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Indigowaters Wrote:
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I like that explaination...it's a good one
I wish someone would've said that to me when I was a child, and didn't *quite* grasp the Trinity concept.
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| Now, with that said, take the example of H2O. It is one element but can take on different forms for different purposes. It can be broken down into water (liquid), steam and ice. They all serve different purposes. You drink water, you steam vegetables and you use ice to cool drinks. But when they're all brought back together, you get what? One element. That's why the Trinity is called God in Three Persons, Perfect Trinity.
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I like that explaination...it's a good one
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